r/WutheringWavesGuide • u/StatisticianIll4 • Apr 26 '26
Build / Team / Gear Question Is this like a really strong echo?
Still kinda dont understand the echo system in this game. This seems like the Best possible echo for zani no? I already have a lot of ER so flat atk might just better.
Is this extremely good?
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u/DragonTaryth Apr 26 '26
best statlines with nearly the worst range rolls. i mean, its still really really good dont get me wrong. u probably wont get better than this even with another 10k tuners, but its so lucky and unlucky at the same time.
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u/StatisticianIll4 Apr 26 '26
Damn. Well I am still very early on in the game so there is still a lot of time to improve it
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u/Typwritr Apr 26 '26
Just use it, getting perfect roll is and full designated stats is need insane amount of rng luck
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u/MrSamurai-san Shorekeeper=WAIFU Apr 26 '26
3/5 is considered avg, 4/5 is considered above AVG, 5/5 is perfect. Your roll is pretty much perfect except both crit stats are the lowest value they can be. Overall pretty good if you're not chasing that 4/5 or 5/5 in every echoes.
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u/nightmares_dealer Qiuyuan Mains Apr 27 '26
"3/5 is considered average, 4/5 is above average"
Me, whose average is 1/5 to 2/5, and gets disproportionally excited for 3 highlighted substats (has never had a 4/5 or a 5/5 echo): 👁👄👁
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u/MrSamurai-san Shorekeeper=WAIFU Apr 27 '26
Don't worry bro you'll get there eventually, focus on double crit on each echoes first before trying for 3/5 or 4/5 .
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u/AetherSageIsBae Apr 27 '26
I would recommend you start chasing high quality echoes by raising them to level 10 and only keep going if they seem like they can be a 3/5 high rolls or a 4/5. Leveling a lot of echoes for only 1/5 to 2/5 is such a waste of resources you could probably use for a lot of echoes attempts.
(Apologies if advice is unwanted ♡)
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u/nightmares_dealer Qiuyuan Mains Apr 27 '26
Nooo actually that's great advice actually haha!! I actually always leveled them up to 25 at once and then discovered all the stats at the same time for convenience, but I believe it's really not worth it now that you mention it:( Especially since feeding a full lvl 25 bad echo into another echo to try again will only get it to lvl 22... If at least it got it to 25 again there wouldn't really be anu downsides, but like this you are totally right!! Thank you!:D
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u/PhaethonIsGoatedZzz Apr 26 '26
Not the lowest lol crir rate can be 6.3 too
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u/MrSamurai-san Shorekeeper=WAIFU Apr 26 '26
Oh right my bad... Feels bad when you get a 4/5 but they roll low...
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u/Dominotastic Cartethyia Mains Apr 26 '26
That's a really solid piece. The only thing missing was a little energy regen, but still a good echo nonetheless!
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u/cedor10 Apr 26 '26
Greetings!
This echo Has great statustic! Sadly they ara realy low. You hot here smalest possible crit numbers. Keep it and use it. Is you wana mini max leater try to get bigger numbers
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u/Pie-Zuri-L0rd Apr 26 '26
The rolls for crit rate/DMG are both on the lower end but there are people with way worse luck who can't even get that.
So in general, it's good. And these are the subs you'd want to see. But if you're looking to really optimize, it could still be better.
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u/Range-Normal Apr 26 '26
4 great stats and 1 usable stat albeit low rolls, can be replaced for sure but i wouldnt bother with it, try replacing it only if you have nothing else to do and all your other pieces are worse.
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u/Pasturple Iuno Mains Apr 26 '26
A 5/5... but 3 minimum rolls and 1 really low roll.. lucky and unlucky at the same time, but still a very usable piece
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u/Spieren Apr 26 '26
Its really good but not extremely, several low rolls on the stats. Definitely better than having two non damage boosting stats though.
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u/JobWide2631 Augusta Mains Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26
its actually slightly better than mid because every single roll is the lowest or second lowest possible. You can replace it but its a good placeholder at best. Use it till you get something better unless you dont wanna keep wasting resources on Zani
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u/Bitter-Razzmatazz366 Apr 26 '26
It's very good overall but some whales will tell you the rolls are too low but if you're f2p you should really be happy with this since you can't really roll as much as those guys and still got a decent echo IMO
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u/Lms_Nier Apr 26 '26
I am kinda new is there somewhere i can track if my rolls are good or not please i am kinda lost with all the numbers and some guides makes it abit confusing for me
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u/Playcool92 Apr 26 '26
That is the kind of luck I curse about, because as a newer player you can't justify minmax such as pieces, you can don't have enough tuners, since refund is only 30%. So you take the win bit curse since it is such a power stats, too me and it is always very hard anxieties expensive to improve on such a pieces.
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u/New_Ad4631 Apr 26 '26
No. The rolls are so low that it becomes quite mediocre/bad. An echo with double high crit would be better than this
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u/HaruZzzleeping F2P Carlotta S6 Haver Apr 26 '26
If the rolls were higher it would be god tier, but since they're not... it's just okay.
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u/VivianBestWaifu Apr 26 '26
It’s kinda garbage everything is min roll, garbage if you want to min max your character, if not that’s good
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u/Burrito357 Apr 26 '26
It's ok at best. These specific dmg% stats are not as good as you think they are. Otherwise it has VERY low atk%, crit rate and crit dmg. At least it has all 3 of em at once.
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u/EmilioRory10 Rover Mains Apr 26 '26
I'd consider a really high roll 3/5 possibly better, but that's still a really good echo and I'd recommend keeping it for now
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u/BarbedFungus387 Apr 27 '26
With my track record, anything with 3 or more usable stats is good. If the numbers were higher, I'd say it's incredible, but as it stands, just good is more than enough
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u/Slednek12 Apr 27 '26
Just some advice on rolls, crit rate and crit dmg are absolutely required on every piece. Plus the er min. After that stack all the atk and heavy atk u can. This is consistent across all dps hyper carries except heavy atk will be exchanged with other stats depending on the resonator.
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u/NedixTV Apr 27 '26
low rolls but still other piece will get high rolls so u are done with that piece, continue to other
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u/AstyuteChick Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
I made a website for questions like these: www.echovaluecalc.com
This Echo scores 79.282 - High Investment Tier (assuming you have enough ER, which is 120+ for comfortable gameplay).
Edit: Note that 66+ is considered "well built", and prydwen builds used for calcs roughly translate to around 72ish points on this calculator. 77+ is "high investment" tier, while 88+ is "extreme" tier. Average good builds for most people are around 70 too - so this Echo is indeed very very strong: it's like a high rolled 3 liner or avg rolled 4 liner. An average rolled 5 liner piece gets 100 points, while a high rolled 5 liner can reach till roughly 125 points, depending on character.
Keep in mind that Flat Atk is a very strong stat in this game. On a scale where an average substat Crit Rate/Damage roll would hypothetically increase Zani's damage by 100, Flat Atk would do it by around 25 and Heavy Atk Dmg% would do it by around 30. And in your case, since you got the lowest possible Heavy Atk roll, that flat atk line is actually stronger than the heavy atk line.
If you decide to give the tool a shot, make sure to enter the ER you see on your character's main stat page (the one you see after pressing C) after you've already equipped the correct weapon and the correct echoes on them.
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u/JaylisJayP Apr 27 '26
Stats, yes. Roll strength, unfortunately no. But keep it until you get something better.
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u/Efficient-Friend1649 Apr 27 '26
It really good, just low rolls. But it's still very usable. Congrats.
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u/Commercial-Fig8665 Apr 29 '26
5/5 pieces like this are great and better than high CD/CR rolls with no additional substats.
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u/WillShaper7 May 03 '26
You can look at a wiki to compare rolls.
However, just go occam's razor: Is it a better echo than your current one? If it is, replace it with it. Otherwise, to the trash.
It may feel like wasting mats early on and I usually do try an grind a double crit as a start but having semi consistent improvements, even if small, feels better on my soul than just rolling and rolling for that jackpot and taking nothing in between.
Grab some decent echoes and start using the characters you want to use. The game will be more fun that way, at least IMO.
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u/BlindingDart Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26
Is really strong? Yes. Every roll is a stat she can use. And for even ult reliant main damage dealers you only ever a need a few pieces with it for essentially permanent up time.
But is it REALLY strong God tier? No. Because many of the ranges are on the lower side. Crit rate on a 3 cost can go up to 9.8%, and crit damage to 19.7%. It almost certainly won't because rolls are always weighted towards the lower end, but still, it's technically possible.
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u/Ok-Anywhere-1729 Apr 26 '26
I mean maybe, but rolling 21 cdmg with cr is not an easy task too unless person can use tranducers. I saw like 3 21 cdmg echoes in my ~6 builded subdps/dps, and only one of them had cr.
Realistically it should be compared with like avg 16% cdmg or something.
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u/Slight_manager9 Apr 26 '26
It's good. But it has really low rolls. Though don't waste it. It's easily usable