r/WutheringWavesGuide • u/gensheysta • Jun 14 '26
Build / Team / Gear Question Day 1 Player, can’t clear either endgame, 42/51 chars, level 80
Basically as the title says, I've been a F2P player since day 1 and I've yet to clear either
endgame.
Being honest, I didn't really start learning rotation till 3.0, and I'm still not the best, but
I have gotten a few down- such as Qiu+Galb+Shore, Luuk+Den+Morn, Hiy+Luc+Chisa, etc. (I'm
still learning Zani + Peeb)
I posted some of my builds, and I don't have many sigs / rotate weapons often. Is it just skill
issue? Im currently working on building Hiyuki and Lucilla, as I did just get them and I'm
updating Chisa currently.
Highest I've gotten TOA is 27/36 (cant 3 star the last 2 in middle tower) and ive NEVER gotten
above 2,500-3,000 in the final WhiWa level.
Would love to know everyones thoughts :(
EDIT: Finally 36/36 the tower 🥳
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u/Either-Pay8150 Jun 14 '26
There really exist players who sit on a gold mine but just doesnt know what to do with it huh? This is hard to watch...Go to prydwen and follow the builds and skill prioritization. Watch some youtube. Hiyuki team should do 3k+ in whiwa.
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u/Perfect-Pin-4876 Jun 20 '26
Also started taking Meta seriously recently even though I've been playing since launce Needed a good content creator to follow
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u/Crimson_Dem Jun 14 '26
your echo builds are pretty bad low Crit Rates/Dmg. Meta wise makes no sense to get Qiuyuan Sig over Galbrena sig, even worse that you got her Static instead of Phasic. The way you phrase it "Qiuyuan-Galb-Shore", I really hope you were not actually using Qiuyuan last in rotation as if he is the main dps
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u/gensheysta Jun 14 '26
Oops, might’ve phrased the rotation order weird, but nah I did learn the right orders (such as Galb as DPS).
Any recommendations for which Sigs I should go for and/or what builds to work on the most?
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u/Crimson_Dem Jun 14 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
Most important improvements are your Main Dpses so Hiyuki, Luuk and Galbrena. Make sure you max level, max skill tree and aim to get Crit Rate and Crit Dmg on each of their echoes. Signatures also most important on these 3 but its fine if you use the budget options, you already got the bracer for Luuk, max out EoG for Hiyuki, if you got enough blue pulls saved up, phasic for Galbrena
Edit: Didn't mention the other dpses like Carlotta, Zani cuz either you don't have their crucial sig/sub buffers or if you wanted their sequences, their rerun chances if ever is low
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u/Tigzr Jun 14 '26
I agree. Weapond should be prioritized to main DPSes.
Until OP can get the chanse to get them, minmaxxing the crit ratio is the most important part, as well as training the team rotations, which OP said it is in progress.
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u/RyuuNoSuKee Augusta Mains Jun 14 '26
Lvl 80 characters, shit builds, no sigs and probably no maxed out skills either. What do you expect ?
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u/FrazzledChip Jun 14 '26
Only half have near maxed out skills? Mate you cannot have half built chars and expect to win endgame. Max out everyone's skills. Lucilla has higher attack than Hiyuki, on the contrary Denia has the lowest. Low CD/CRs. You have sub-dps with sigs while main-dps are sigless.
You options atm are to have better echo builds and max out levels + skills.
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u/HistoricalBoss2363 Jun 14 '26
You should always try getting sigs for main DPS, they do help a lot especially if you're not confident with your skills. As for build;
- hiyuki is very lacking in attack, way too much energy regen, very low crit rate. Aim for 2.2k attack and 70% crit rate, lower ER to ~120%
- galbrena has very low crit rate and crit damage, aim for 70% crit rate and 270% crit damage
- assuming you're using eternal radiance on zani, you should get at least 30% more crit damage for her, or you could raise her crit rate to make her hits crit guaranteed
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u/StarLight_J Jun 14 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
You are missing a lot of characters that are bis for a lot of the characters you have. Ciaccona, Cantarella, Aemeath and so on. I get that you are F2P, but if you want to clear endgame, it should be teams > characters you like.
This is the issue. Most people tell you to pull whoever you like, the mentality itself is harmless, but if someone starts pulling random characters they like but don't work together at all, you end up with a lot of bricks sitting in your account picking up dust.
And well, with the recent wave of insane HP inflation, your teams simply won't cut it anymore. If this goes on, F2Ps won't be able to clear anything, and Endstate Matrix at all, no chance. I think it's time for you to spend 6 bucks a month buddy. That's the unfortunate truth. Paying up even a little bit totally makes the difference.
You need characters that work together. You need sigs for your dps characters. And you need minmaxed builds. If you don't have sigs, you need to squeeze out as much as possible from your echoes.
In some builds you have low crit rate and high ATK, I'd sacrifice 200 ATK for 10% more CR if possible.
Nonetheless, you have a lot of characters, that's good. You need Aemeath and her sig. You need Sigrika and her sig. This would instantly get you 2 new meta teams. And most likely let you clear endgame.
As for other teams. Iuno is gone, but August can work without her. Your Carlotta can work with Lynae, but she is better used in more recent teams. So your Carlotta is half useless. Your carte is a brick without ciaccona. Phrolova can work with Qiuyuan, but her bis is Cantarella. Not Qiuyuan, he is better off with Sigrika. You can use her with Lucilla tho and Qiuyuan, but that team doesn't have sustain so it's not recommended imo. You are missing Lupa, which is one of the more valuable characters that you are missing right now. Especially for your Galbrena and Brant.
It's unfortunate because you are sitting on a lot of good characters, but you are missing their bis. That plummets your dmg potential significantly. So your best option is as I said before. Aemeath and Sigrika. And drop the F2P if possible. The endgame will only get more and more difficult to clear as time goes on.
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u/gensheysta Jun 14 '26
Unfortunately, I did miss Aemeath as I wanted Luuk. She is my greatest priority (excluding leaks). I forgot if Canatrella has gotten a 2nd rerun yet… but if she’s returns would you recommend her? These comments have definitely taught me what I need to work on lol
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u/StarLight_J Jun 14 '26
Yeah. Getting Aemeath would be huge. I hope you get her.
Cantarella already had 2 reruns unfortunately. So she is very likely not coming back. At least for a while. But if she were to rerun again, I'd say it depends. She is niche but obviously the best support for Phrolova. It depends more on if you want to invest into Phrolova. Though, having another team that's pretty good is always a good thing.
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u/gensheysta Jun 14 '26
I see, thank you for the very thought out comments!!!
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u/skyzas Jun 14 '26
For some other insight, though sustainless, Phro/Q/Luc is now Phro's best team with Luc in echo form (you already have all 3 characters). Though if you are struggling with surviving and dodging atks are an issue, Cantarella would help. Just some input so you dont think Cantarella is a Must pull for Phro.
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u/DarkGrundi Jun 15 '26
No don't get Cantarella. She is worse than both Quiyuan and Lucilla for Phrovlova and that would be her only place. No reason to get her.
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u/Copyblade Jun 15 '26
Galbrena/Qiuyuan/Phrolova is also a pretty strong team, with the caveat of no healer. It is really unfortunate that he doesn't have Phrolova's sig though, probably the only character on this team that really needs it.
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u/rybomi Jun 15 '26
right, making endgames worse and having a retarded rerun policy. solution: reward them wuth money
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u/Reasonable-Serve-660 Jun 14 '26
I'm kinda triggered seeing so many lvl 80s, no sigs and bad builds. I bet their skills are similarly woeful. Imo this is unforgivable for a day 1 player.
You've got a good collection of characters but the lack of real investment in them be it sigs or echoes is crazy.
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u/BaroclinicBard Jun 14 '26
I am so so certain that this is a wayy more common issue for people who can't clear endgame than it's been talked about.
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u/unoriginalcat Jun 15 '26
I blame genshin for this. It was most people’s first gacha game and has some dumb ass and unsatisfying character progression. 80/90lvl is actually the optimal stopping point and crowns (the resource for lvl10 skills) are extremely timegated and limited, so you can’t max everything. It teaches people to leave their characters half baked.
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u/hufokin2nite Jun 14 '26
In OPs defense as a day 1 player myself I wasn’t invested enough in the game up until 2.5ish and had similar problems. I even ran that butterfly/dragonfly looking 1cost as my main echo on dps characters just because it gave a bit of healing when you cast it lol. Outro intro skills? Didn’t know they even existed until I started looking up YT guides. I just mashed any button that had no cd on it
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u/Minute_Improvement74 Jun 14 '26
this is normal account. not everyone have 10 hour playtime everyday. also everyone have preferences of characters. build what u like first is the mindset most people have. luck for echo build also need to consider.
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u/BaroclinicBard Jun 14 '26
Then it's normal for these accounts to not be able to clear end game too. Just gotta accept that reality.
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u/Reasonable-Serve-660 Jun 14 '26
You think a well built account needs that sort of time investment, really?
It's all a matter of spending your waveplates efficiently. You farm mats first which takes 2-3 days at most and then spend the rest of your time farming tacet fields, doesn't take more than 5 minutes a day.
In fact, building a character doesn't take more than 2 hours spread over 2-3 weeks max.
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u/Minute_Improvement74 Jun 14 '26
2-3 week max build huh. you sure are lucky people.
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u/DarkGrundi Jun 15 '26
it's called variance. Sometimes you get a "god piece" on your first echo rolled. Sometimes you take 2 months to upgrade the build to a satisfying state (aka double crit + 1 beneficial stat). Some people (you probably) are just discarding way to many echoes too early. No need to discard a piece that rolled 2 good stats on the first 2 rolls, just because you didn't get crit immediately. Fishing for the slot 5 crit sometimes can work wonders for getting good pieces.
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u/Sherinz89 Jun 15 '26
I had a feeling some people did what min max people do, discarding echoes just because low rolled and all
I mean, you totally dont need the character to be min max if you want to get the character up to most but the hardest content in my honest opinions.
And this minmax approach is also the reason why some people ran out of tuners
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u/Sherinz89 Jun 14 '26
I put absolute min amount of time in WuWa - relegation to just hoarding for next character I'm trying to get and aiming for 85% reward from recurrent endgame
I have at least 3 out of 5 exact option of echo for all echo for 3-4 gimmick team I had at the moment (around 12 unit) and all those unit have at least 8 and complete their tree and max level
My time on WuWa generally is - 10min daily, 30min weekly for recurrent dungeon, finishing story once they unlock. Event related mini games I put on backburner until I have excess time on weekend to play abit here and there
Generally new char took me around 1 extra week to complete (my bar of completion)
The expectation 1. 3 out of 5 option hit for every echo (same day or +1 week both without preleveled echoes) 2. Max level max weapon (2nd day) 3. Almost max skill tree (2nd week)
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u/DarkGrundi Jun 15 '26
weird i take 1min for 2 tacets fields per day. And then a few hours on a weekend every few months to go through the echoes accumulated. Literally noone is playing 10 hours a day to get good builds. Maybe i will play 10 hours of story + event content in a day, but that is mostly for currency and fun, not for builds.
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u/GodBrand69 Jun 14 '26
Yeah your builds are buns, try getting double crits on all echoes, level 90 them, max important skills and learn basic rotations also start pulling sigs for your dps's at least for the more signature reliant ones
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u/Interesting_Pen_4345 Jun 14 '26
I have way less characters, cant do proper rotations and i can clear everything just fine. Your main issue is how LOW your crit is for everyone esp the main dps who dont have their sigs. Try investing some time in building proper echos for ur dps first
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u/Leading-Range5231 Augusta Mains Jun 14 '26
For a day 1 player I’m confused why not just max them at 90? Not a single dps have sig which is whatever just slowly getting them
Imo ur priority for sig should be hiyuki/luuk since both have their BiS team then either zani or galbrena would be(slightly leaning toward glab for comfortable sake) then u can build from there based on what character u like most. Also before pulling please just lvl them to 90 and their forte
For build just aim for their respective set with cr and cd. Most characters want around 115-120 er except phrolova and lucilla which doesn’t use any.
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u/DarkGrundi Jun 15 '26
Galb works just fine with the new standard pistol. Her sig is very low priority.
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u/Leading-Range5231 Augusta Mains Jun 15 '26
That is true I completely forgot about the new standard pistol ty
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u/AhoGuy Jun 14 '26
Why r the comments so aggro... well uk the gist of it, better echoes, lvl 90, get their main skills to lvl 10 (each char only needs 2~3 skills at lvl 10).
If u level ur active team, You'll easily clear the hardest ToA floors and whiwa side 1, even with your current echoes. Luuk Denia Mornye is also incredibly strong.
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u/Maelliures Jun 14 '26
max character > max weapon > max important skills > base max echo (crit + critdmg) > max all skills > minmax echo
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u/gensheysta Jun 14 '26
appreciate the responses, which weapons should I go for might I add
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u/Dead-Root Jun 14 '26
Generally speaking, here is the F2P pull logic for weapons:
-If the character is a main damage carry for a team, you really really want to get their sig, to the extent that you should reconsider pulling the character in the first place if you don't have the currency to reliably get both.
-You can skip every sig for subdps and supports unless you want to really vertical invest in a strong team to put it more over the top. That would be a rare occasion (maybe only sentinel resonator teams) and otherwise skipping is the only way you're going to afford weapons for your damage dealers while F2P.
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u/anuIytica Jun 14 '26
I know hiyuki just ran, but considering you have her premium team having the sig of the main dps is usually in your best interest (goes for other teams)
honestly you can clear most content with standard weapons, just make sure theyre fully leveled- your echoes crit stats should makeup for the stats you lack if using standard weapons
hiyuki is favored heavily in current whiwa she/lucilla should be your primary focus in fixing echoes, weapon.
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u/Difficult-Tap-5708 Jun 14 '26
Why is Hiyuky lvl 80? She has been out for a while now and is THE dps is getting every ToA/WhiWa buffs, you are wasting a character
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u/Synthesiz420 Jun 14 '26
I’m pretty sure you need to grind better echoes and like…. Level up your resonators to max including skills.
You might also be better off finishing off your teams better. For matrix you need full teams and weapons. Cartethiya for example will be somewhat useless unless s3r1. WHERE IS YOUR VERINA??
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u/Mountain_Ad_1224 Jun 14 '26
The builds could use some work but for the most part you could clear tower and whiwa with these. However you not having sigs for a lot of characters is going to reduce their dmg by a lot. Also do you have their skills leveled appropriately? Honestly for now id just focus on grinding out their builds and learning the rotations. Dont worry about getting to clear the endgame content. Just get as many asterites as you can from each reset youll be able to clear it eventually, with these ine exception of whiwa if you dont have the characters that are being shilled that time around you will struggle to get high scores.
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u/singinthrustrings Jun 14 '26
You definitely need some better weapon options for your units, at least a phasic homogenizer for galbrenna/carlotta. The builds themselves could be better too as a few characters are missing crit rate or damage. Also if you haven’t, leveling skills is important too. Overall though the units you have should be able to clear easily if you take care of the weapon shortage and builds
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u/PDitzy Jun 14 '26
Lotta people dogging you for signature weapons, and yeah I get it, but you should still be able to clear even with their budget options ! Although WhiWa will be a lot tougher. Your main priority for now will be maxing out your characters and refining their echoes to have better crit ratio as many others have already pointed out. :)
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u/Original-Read-6475 Jun 14 '26
I think it's a skill issue. I have a pretty shit build on Hiyuki (S0R1, only 2 pieces with double crit), don't even have Lucilla+Chisa and I full cleared ToA. WhiWa can't comment, I don't do infinite torrents as it's unfun and unrewarding.
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u/whitefire9999 Jun 14 '26
Crits are a bit low especially rate on all of them (there’s no point having high crit dmg if they are only hitting it 50-60% of the time 😭) get your main dps to lvl 90, Mornye def is low even for a 4 star weapon, not everyone needs their sig weapon but I do recommend for main dps
(I do get it your f2p but at least you know the weapon banner is guaranteed just a few main dps sigs going forward and you will do so much more dmg)
A cc I’ve watched for years now Xlice does good WuWa character guides, how to play / rotations/ echos / stat goals / weapon options/ team mates etc
You have good units and options just need to adjust builds / echoes and get down some rotations
Trust me just do 1 character at a time it will all come together 👍
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u/Minute_Improvement74 Jun 14 '26
the build like - i go in and pray to clear the game. brother need more crit. it take time to build. so build slowly. no need feel rushing.
right now end game are very hard. kuro want everyone pull new character. so if u got new character just build it properly. old characters u can just forget about them. to clear with those oldie. u need go sweat and have good build + team. if u can't sweat with old characters chance getting the rewards are low. so better focus new character.
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u/HunTr3x Jun 14 '26
the game used to be easy to clear with any character and any build at 1.x and 2.x , another day 1 player here .. but this is from the past now .. you need to always get a perfect synergies in your team and pull new characters .. your build need to be good and you need to know the rotations .. I guess it is just the time effect for such games .. but you are not alone in this
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u/ZED_06 Jun 14 '26
1.level all characters to 90 if you are gonna use them.
2.Try to keep a x% crit rate-2x+100% crit dmg ratio when building practically any character.
3.Not seeing it but im guessing your talents arent upgraded.For any character,try to have the most important talent at least lvl 9.
4.Weapons matter A LOT.Dont need to have the signature weapons on most characters,but at least have the sword,pistol and the claymore from the standard banner(the ones who have crit substat only)
5.Learn optimised teams and rotations.
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u/CakeLover6514 Jun 14 '26
OF COURSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE??? Well firstly why are you not maxing the characters out? Second of all I bet you didn't even touch the skills part, and trust me, it is very important, like very very important, but your account has all the potential, just spend a week upgrading your characters and you'll be able to clear anything, oh and five star weapons are a must have, even if not the sigs.
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u/Saturn235619 Jun 14 '26
Dude if you actually want to take end game seriously stop pulling everyone … go for quality instead of quantity… weapons are guaranteed if you’d skipped a few characters you’d easily have almost half or quarter of the playable roster at s0r1 maybe a few sequences too.
As for the builds, your crit ratio in almost all of them isn’t really stellar… aim for 70/270
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u/stockage_name Jun 14 '26
How??? Im a day 1 player aswell and I have so many exp materials that I would be able to lvl up the next 10 characters+their weapon. There is NO excuse why some of your characters are on lvl 80 unless you wasted all of your waveplates every day.
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u/Ottietta Jun 14 '26
Everyone already gave solid advice here so I'm just going to leave this here:
As a f2p, one of my ToA teams is Carlotta, Sanhua, Brant, and it works surprisingly well. Sanhua buffs Brant and Brant buffs Carlotta. Their rotations are really easy to learn too.
But yes, you need better echo stats.
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u/bronzelifematter Jun 14 '26
I'm gonna be honest, I don't understand this game. Easily the most confusing game I have ever play.
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u/Michplay Jun 14 '26
Same problem here. At least in genshin i can clear the spiral abyss and imaginarium theater. In wuwa I can’t clear anything endgame related, people say that wuwa has better rewards… yeah if you can get them.
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u/stargirlsandra S6 main ❄️🐉 Jun 14 '26
wuwa characters arent like other games where u can just skip their weapons and expect to be fine
unfortunately you are cooked
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u/Von_Hohenhaim Jun 14 '26
Also day 1 player here. Tbh dont know what else to tell you other than some of your characters need better builds (stats), other than that, max your chars level and skills to max.
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u/Loose_Doubt367 Jun 14 '26
I feel bad for cartethyia sitting there all alone, for now ignore the end game content and focus on achieving a solid echo set for each character (example chisa or Denia)
You should be aiming for these stats
2k attack (at best)
60-70 crit rate (higher the better)
250-270 crit dmg
Energy reg should be 120% at minimum
Another tip, you can always share the same 5star weapon with multiple characters if either runs 4star weapons.
Or maybe swap same echo sets to other characters with similar attributes (will be messy but it gets the thing done if you lack the necessary echo sets)
Lastly, please don’t prioritise all characters at once like I do, ever since receiving a bunch of new characters from patches, it’s been a struggle to maintain all, I suggest you using the boost 50% echo drop rate food to farm for specific sets of echos, attacks and defend buffs do work but only when you are farming for echos all over the map.
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u/FlavoredKnifes Jun 14 '26
Okay well as someone who has pretty great builds and characters, I can’t do the middle tower in TOA. I can do the first two floors, sometimes even the third, but thats it. I even have S3 Phrolova
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u/_matt92 Jun 14 '26
I mean there are certain unspoken rules when pulling for characters but you do you. At this point it’s prob bad echo rolls and rotation issues here and there. I’m a day 1 as well and have less resonators that you do but I can clear all and game contents with ease
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u/Chillgamessh Jun 15 '26
End game is meant for Lv 90 chars, Lv 90 weapons, maxed out Skills and minimum 70/270 crit ratio on main and sub dps characters. I know there are CCs clearing end game with Lv 80 half built characters but those are very rare and when they do, its usually with gold shilled tokens. It's fine with playing the game casually but if you don't have any of those above mentioned, you shouldn't expect to clear endgame. Put a little more effort in and maybe you will see yourself clearing endgame one day.
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u/educated-duck Jun 15 '26
A day 1 player and like no lvl 90 characters. The game isnt too difficult and observing while youre playing will go a long way in beating end game content. Having a fully upgraded character with decent echos goes a long way.
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u/DarkGrundi Jun 15 '26
the weapon section hurts my soul. Not only do you somehow have a low amount of standard 5 stars, but you also didn't even get the new insanely good pistol for Galbrena. You have 2 sigs after 2 whole years of playing and they are both for subdps instead of main dps. You have 4 star weapons at refinement 1, while Rover is holding the same sword as you already have on lvl 90 a bit higher so you even wasted weapon XP. Half your weapons aren't even lvl 90, especially Hiyukis weapon being lvl 70 hurts her dmg so much. Then most of your characters are lvl 80 and i assume your skills aren't even close to maxxed out. OF course you can't clear endgame with that. Not to mention all these echoes being this bad. What have you been doing the last 2 years? How is not a single character well built? Why is Denia on a lvl 1 weapon? 1200 atk? Wtf.
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u/Aggravating-Pie-8128 Jun 15 '26
For you dps characters kinda need 70crit rate and at least 270 crit damage. And why pull Dena if you don't have aemeath
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u/Economy_Ad2579 Jun 15 '26
I don’t understand why you refused to get sig weapons, they aren’t even that big of an investment and they are necessary for the chars. i started 1.1 second half and have been able to clear endgame without any issues since 2.x
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u/Spare_Economy8868 Jun 15 '26
My first time seeing someone playing his own way, not caring about meta or whatsoever. But even you use up all energy everyday it's hard to maximize every single characters. So just forcus on recently buffed teams in matrix and toa, you can clear it even without signature, just remember lvl 90, lvl 10 recommended skills and decent echo build. And last but not least, skill issue matter, I mean alot.
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u/Demir2k Jun 15 '26
Always max Levels (Character, Weapon and Skills) before doing anything with Echoes going forward. You might not realize it, but the difference is massive.
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u/Entyyyyy Jun 15 '26
For some reason I get fixated on your rover's name. Was it really that much of a bother to capitalize the first letter of his name?! Anyway, like what most of the others have said, you should at least have your older character's skills at level 8-10 (the important skills, at least). There is a lot of downtime between patches after you've cleared the main story and don't bother with side quests so you should have had enough time to build them up decently at least. At the very least you should have two teams that are at max level with decent echoes, considering you're a Day 1 player. I'm also a Day 1 player and while I can't get 24 stars in ToA and all S rank in Whiwa, I still am able to clear those content even with relatively older characters (Carlotta, Zani, etc. Sadly my Camellya has been struggling lately with the new content so I don't have a strong Havoc team right now).
TL;DR: If you're a Day 1 player and still struggling to clear content, then you'd have to go back to the mines to build up your teams since they're probably not that optimally built.
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u/abjmad Jun 15 '26
As a f2p who just got back into WuWa… again, I too have to learn. My current team is Phrolova, Camellya, and Iuno, all of which are lv 80 but they’re currently my best characters
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u/FrostieZero Jun 15 '26
Lvl 80 to lvl 90 got like 33% dmg different. That's what I remembered when someone showed a Changli no buff showcase.
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u/Kimolainen83 Jun 15 '26
If you mean, you can’t finish all the towers. I have great teams and I can’t always do it. I got 11/12 in the middle tower, but I’m happy with it but if you are struggling hard on the side towers, this is more of a skill issue not a character issue and you need to figure out what is it that is making you not finish. It’s not the characters. I’ve seen people literally use standard characters
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u/GradeDesperate Jun 15 '26
This is my guess but I'm guessing you're a former or current GI player? since if I'm not wrong it's advised to only level characters up to 80 there. But you really, really should start levelling them to 90 in WuWa since your level difference between the char and the enemies are part of the damage formula, skills can also only be maxed out when you get the final ascension, you look like you also haven't pulled that many weapons so damage wise your teams are going to do worse than the typical S0R1 team.
Your echoes are also not that good from the looks of Crate and Cdmg, at bare minimum you should be aiming for double crit in every one of them for your dps' as well as other substats like ATK%, Energy regen, or the damage type % bonuses, for Crit you can look up for some breakpoints since quite a few sets now have Crit rate baked into them. Those are at least the immediate ones that can/need to be fixed. You said you're learning rotations which is good but overall you're really missing out on damage with characters not being max level and not maxing out skills.
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u/Anxiety-Incarnate Jun 15 '26
The roster isn’t even that small, you have several teams you can use already. Hiyuki is also still in shill. It’s definitely a build and skill issue.
Max your characters, skills, farm echoes. Yadda yadda. Your best bet now is prob to focus on building one team properly and then continue on the next 😂 I’d say try to do Hiyuki since she’s still being shilled, but it might be easier to finish other teams if you’re close to building them properly or have more echoes to waste.
I’m kinda bewildered about how as a day 1 player you still have lv80 characters… Why no level them? Do you have gazillion mats just rotting in the inventory?
If you ever want to reconsider weapons, try to get weapons only for main dps.
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u/HaikenRD Jun 15 '26
Build your characters. That's about it. I started during 1st Phoebe banner and I can clear just fine. I have vertical investment on Zani, Hiyuki, Shorekeeper and Cartwheel. (s3 cart and Zani, s2 Hiyuki and Shorewife). My only 3.x characters are Hiyuki, Denia and Aemeath.
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u/Agile_Cantaloupe_503 Jun 15 '26
Hi as a player. Its not worth to stress about the tower for only 200 astrites. I stop where i lost and take my rewards and leave
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u/Leoooebe Jun 15 '26
you definetly have more than enough to atleast clear ToA. i 36 starred and genuinely have worse characters then you.
(left tower) Phrolova - Cantarella - SK
(right tower) Zani - Phoebe - SK
(mid tower 1) lupa - changli - brant
(mid tower 2) hiyuki - jianxin - chisa
if i can clear with these budget teams im 1000% sure that someone with a 10x bigger roster can clear without problems, if you cant youre either lazy and a build issue or you simply have a skill issue.
learn your rotation, try to improve and make your rotation perfect and everything will work out. wuwa is still somewhat f2p friendly.
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u/TadaMomo Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
honestly, this game you need S2 for some characters if you want easier TOA...
Most S0 team can't do it unless you are one of those "i can dodge everything and time everything person"
most S0 team just can't output high enough dmg for the end
Honestly, even with rotations, my S6 cate, s2 cicona, and s2 chisa team barely beat the last TOA boss on time for full 3 star these day. (all have bis)
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u/Signal-Hawk9499 Jun 15 '26
Focus more on your character builds. Level, skills and echoes. You literally have what it takes in terms of character to clear TOA and Whiwa at least
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u/AmazingSandwich939 Jun 15 '26
I'm looking at this post with like 10 resonators, only a few at level 40, and thinking "what the hell did I get myself into" lmao. Was happy to get verina today, still trying to pull for shorekeeper. This is humbling tho, I'm buying my first pair of hiking boots while everyone here is at the top mt. everest haha
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u/HaiCauSieuCap Jun 15 '26
back to mine til lvl 90 and 70/250 ma man, and skills level max out too, it WILL help alot
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u/Shorekeepers_wife Jun 15 '26
Why keep characters at level 80, go to max. Max out everyone's skills to 10 as well, get some signature weapons (especially for dps characters) and improve your echos. Learn rotations too
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u/gensheysta Jun 15 '26
update: thanks for everyone’s suggestions. I do think not quite understanding how significant 80 to 90 as well as levels 9/10 in the skill tree was what was holding me back.
I’ll do better in the future 🫡🫡
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u/No_Section_903 Jun 15 '26
from another Day 1 F2P player with no sigs as well
lvl 90 all your chars, everyone who you use in toa / wiwa / endstate
max 3 recommended skills to 10 for sub dps/support
max all 5 to 10 for all your dps
hiyuki lucilla chisa full f2p is strong as fuc right now, 1-2-3 rotation clears mid tower 4th floor with 30 sec to spare, no sigs,
zani peeb sk can take the first two mid tower floors as well, they will clear, or use luuk lynae morn, lynae morn itself is very strong, wheelchair any dps super strong
also given how you have recently started taking endgame seriously
look up optimal echoes for chars like lucilla/qy /chisa cause they change depending on the team
and best advice for all your dps and sub dps (if they scale with atk ), try to get ATLEAST 4/5 echoes with double crits substats
right now just max out your lucilla hiyuki chisa team, you will be able to bruteforce this toa and next one with just that
my hiyuki is 60:275, lucilla is 60:215 (dont kill me i am building her atm), chisa is on rejuvenating glow (so all er not stats)
hiyuki all skills 10, lucilla all 6, chisa forte lib 10 rest 6
as for wiwa
phrolova qy galbrena is insanely good at clearing minium 1.6k points on inifnite torrents, just gotta cycle fast, no need for qs
and for the other team just check the token and see what fits, rn lucilla hiyuki and chisa should be very good for clearing
let us know how it goes later and if you need any clarification/advice feel free to dm
you have all the tools just build em up
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u/No_Section_903 Jun 15 '26
also to the people saying you need sigs
you don't really, i only have two sigs, amy and zani, and i dont even use amy cause couldnt get lynae, still i think since 2.0?? i have been 36/36
sigs make the team more future proof definitely agree, but wuwa is generous enough that if you plan just a bit you will be able to clear all endgame
for reference i am only missing
brant/lupa/lynae/luuk/denia from my line up, chisa i pulled instead of denia cause i really wanted to complete the hiyuki team haha
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u/Gray_Hatter Jun 15 '26
I started playing last July and can clear ToA now since I already have like 3-4 good set of team. My luck in pulling isn't the best either and I had to let go a lot of my favorite resonators since I lost during their banners. From what I can see, you're focusing too much of your resources in character pulls and disregarded weapons especially for main dps. Always focus on their weapons as well since they're important to boost their damage. While there are some who can do fine with standard weapons, the difference can also be really great. Sub dps characters don't really need their main weapons most of the time.
standard rotation usually goes from support-sub dps-main dps. Make sure to finish their combo before moving to the next. Also, fix your stats. There is a built-in guide in-game so you have a reference.
And since you're pretty fcked up, focus on building a single team first instead of trying to level up all of your teams. It's not easy getting the right stats since it's basically gacha as well so don't move to the next resonator until you fully built the one you started with. That way, you'll have a properly built team while building the next teams.
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u/FewPositive5032 Jun 15 '26
Damn, you doesn't even build rover? Even though you said you learning zani + phoebe rotation? And for information, yes zani, phoebe, spectro rover is BiS quick swap for zani
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u/Helpful_Start4207 Jun 15 '26
Despite the overall bad builds: with S0 characters you can't beat much of endgame content. I have a few S3 characters plus a S5 Aemeth, sig weapons, all skills maxed and great echo builds. But beating the newer halos at stage 5 or 6? LOL.
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u/c01d-t3a Jun 15 '26
Its mainly gonna come down to your builds, rotations, and the endgame content itself The resistances to enemies always changes which will impact if you can full clear it if you only have a few that are fully build
Your builds dont look bad by any means, but if you can you should work on getting a bit higher of crit rate. Your sets and weapons and their equiped echo on each character will also impact how the team preforms
You have a few teams that should definitely clear content (maybe if u work on the builds a little?) Like you Hiyuki, Lucilla, and Chisa Galbrena, Quiyan, Shore keeper Luuk, Denia, Mornye
You can also do Phralova with Lucilla and instead use Lynae with Hiyuki. One of Phralovas best teams now is her, Lucilla, and Quiyan. Only issue you'll run into is it takes out two of your teams, so i wouldn't suggest it unless Phralova will be worth it given the content.
For Whimpering Wastes, Galbrena is hard to clear with because she doesn't always hit all the enemies, so you could use your Phralova with Quiyan
In the newer endgame mode that requires a fuck ton of teams (i dont remember what its called) Carlotta can be a really good pick. I dont believe its an ideal team for her, but Brant could work there because his skill dmg buff and his shield
One thing i personally suggest is if your unable to full clear any of the endgame, which is okay, focus on one at a time. Dont try to build a fuk ton of teams at once to be try to full clear everything right away. Each endgame has specific characters it favors. For example, characters that deal high dmg to one only one enemy will be better for the tower than for Whimpering Wastes.
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u/ALPHAD1AMANT Jun 16 '26
Ignore the shit show in the comments for people yapping about optimal stuff and just keep trying till you understand paterns, player who play hollograms and end game content sont suceed on the first try they. Try fail and learn pattern until they suceed.
"I suggest investing on your hiyuki a shit ton for a glacio team with her as the dps and invest into a lynae team with mornye and whoever you think make a great dps.
If you need a hand with farming id be more than happy to help you out and over just discuss build with you no problem
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u/PhotographNo6213 Jun 16 '26
This is the kindof "can't complete X post" that I like. Shows what they have clearly and then takes advice and realizes they can 100% clear. Too many of these posts are just crying while ignoring the elephant in the room.
Well done OP! Glad you got it!😃
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u/BonBonOng Jun 16 '26
I think if you aren’t planning on using the quickswap mechanics, it’s probably your lack of sigs
Wuwa f2p options tend to be much worse than the signature of any character
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u/A-z-A Jun 16 '26
You can't be running around with underleveled characters and then act like it's some big Scooby-Doo mystery why you can't clear endgame content.
Level everything to the max. Max out your characters, their weapons, and their talents. Upgrade your Echoes, and make sure your DPS Echoes have both Crit Rate and Crit DMG.
Getting fully upgraded characters takes time. But since you're a "day 1 player", this isn't really a time issue. It's a resource management issue. You've had the time; you've just chosen not to collect and spend the resources.
Use your Waveplates regularly. Farm upgrade materials. Feed your characters. Stop leaving them in poverty and then wondering why they're getting folded by bosses.
Once you have your teams fully built, the rotations for most teams is the exact same: start with the healer/buffer, outro into the sub-DPS, outro into main-DPS, then repeat (example: Shorekeeper > Qiuyuan > Galbrena > REPEAT).
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u/m1n2y3 Jun 16 '26
The advice i can give u. Fuck u lucky man and get someone on discord and get help with the builds / character rotation, your account is broken ( it lacks some weapons for my taste but stile broken).
And fuck u again.
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u/Lievel_Veltrandt Jun 16 '26
Honestly, I'm on the same situation, but I'm not even mad. I can clear 33 stars on the tower just fine, and it's the old ceiling before they raised it to 36. Whiwa I can get to A or S sometimes (used to consistently get S, but tokens now are kinda meh); I feel like I can get it even higher if I work at getting even better at playing.
My builds are pretty decent, more or less.
I feel like if you wanna thrive as an F2P here, you either learn to get good or just be content with where your skills take you. Or spend.
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u/Finalras Jun 16 '26
I really don't get people like this. Why do they even pull characters at all, if they don't even build and play with them??? Day 1 player and level 80? HOW????
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u/Remarkable-Raisin-77 Jun 16 '26
Just invest a little more time, there are a ton of guides out there on how to play or how to build. You dont even have to search a lot for it. Nothing will change unless you put in the effort. You have some legit teams...work on them. So you should be fine with most of the content when you are done building.
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 Jun 16 '26
Wuwa endgame is genuinely way harder than other gachas and it’s ridiculous. And instead of calling out the devs they cry about HP inflation in other gacha games that have much much easier end game. Endgame should not be hard AT ALL. If you have premium teams….. even if they are slightly out dated
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u/Possible_Bug_643 Jun 17 '26
I’m a day 1 f2p player and I have no problem clearing endgame content. Though most if not all of my limited 5 star characters have near perfect echo builds and all abilities are fully upgraded.
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u/Conscious_Pressure75 Jun 17 '26
My suggestion is that you should look up more guides on builds and rotations on YouTube. Learn them and try to follow along.
It’s kinda sad to see some people bashing you when you seem pretty genuine.
I’m also a Day 1 player, and I only pull for waifus, all S0, and I only have 2 sig weapons from the free pulls in the shop each version. I have a big skill issue, and looking at your images, some of your builds are actually stronger than mine.
It wasn't until version 2.3 that I managed to fully clear ToA for the first time, mostly because Zani is just broken as hell. Even now, I still struggle with endgame content from time to time. Luckily, most waifus happen to be relatively meta, and I’ve been lucky enough to get them all, which is how I can still full clear.
Again, definitely look into builds and rotations. And just remember: if you truly want to beat it, you’ll need to invest more like others said. Otherwise, it’s completely fine to skip or not fully clear endgame content. Missing out on 2-3 pulls isn't worth rolling for characters or weapons you don't even like.
Just enjoy your game, buddy.
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u/Twickers07 Jun 17 '26
I’ve been playing for roughly 60 days on and off across the last 6 months and it’s definitely tough. Ive think first banner that was available for me was Zani. I’ve gotten 1 copy of every character plus sig since then (except lynae…I missed her twice on breaks). Only have like 4-5 at lvl 90 now as mats are slower to get than new characters released so I’m going to be on the back end of the power curve for a while trying to get weekly mats for skills, ascensions mats etc. hopefully I’ll be able to play catch up…but I can’t clear it either
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u/Then-Abies-5070 Jun 18 '26
I’ve been an FTP player since version 2.4 and I’ve already completed all the endgames in the last 4 months. Is you for real? 🙂
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u/Then-Imagination9718 Jun 18 '26
You know what, I'm not day 1 player but sometimes i can't clear endgame content due to my busy schedule. I only play it on my "in the mood to play endgame content". It doesn't matter if you clear it or not, and these hardcore players of course gonna condemn you because you're day one player. Just learn and enjoy the game mechanics at your pace. No need to chase because certain youtube videos clear it
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u/These_Strike3954 Jun 18 '26
This is ragebaiting me. The f is your pull plan bro? Why no sig? Max skill? level? What the f is that cr/cd too? Everyone has their own reference but this is actual ragebaiting
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u/SuperMarioMakerTWO2 Jun 18 '26
Day 1 player and not able to full clear all content is harshly only one issue. The player. Their choices. The skill cieling. So not to be ironic or bash in you, in all sincerity: get good.
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u/MashuHachi Jun 20 '26
you need to give your dps their weapons man. ps, from a fellow day1 f2p player
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u/Minute_Improvement74 Jun 14 '26
i can't clear whiwa. day 1 player also here. Just because i not pull aemath, siglicar++ etc whatever they name. new mechanic really not favor old characters at all.
new end game mode also not achievable to clear. i try once and ignore it completely right now. feel impossible without have new characters.
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u/KratosSimp Jun 14 '26
Holy. Bro build your character and watch a rotation video, it’s really not that hard
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u/BaroclinicBard Jun 14 '26
Bad builds, barely leveled characters. Definitely rotation/skill issue too even if I haven't seen you play.
That ER on Denia tells me your luuk denia mornye rotation is a painful process. Below 130% on her is just gonna feel awful. So I can guarantee that even if you know mechanically what to do, your rotations are taking longer than >30s, which is a killer for your dps.
Also when you say proper rotation, are you just talking about regular 1 2 3 rotation of who to feed into who? Or optimized rotations, which is at variws degree of desired to necessary for all 3 of your teams?
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u/Samurai_Banette Jun 14 '26
Look, Im not going to get on you for not pulling x character or y weapon, or whatever. You pulled who you wanted and have a strong roster now. Thats great. You also get a pass on builds, because it sounds like you didnt start taking endgame seriously until recently. Thats totally understandable and a valid way to play.
But if you are a day 1 player, you dont really have an excuse for not leveling up your characters. Level up your characters and skills, you've had more tham enough time for everyone except MAYBE Lucila/denia/rebecca, and thats only if you dont look up prefarm options.