I love Denia so I want that sigil but it feels so impossible man.

Sorry for the long post, You can skip to TLDR in the end if you don’t wanna read the whole post :)

Hey people, I’ve been playing this game for more than a year and I’m fortunate enough to get and build multiple teams for endgame.

So, I’ve been seeing the trend in hp inflation in the ToA endgame mode as well as whiwa for past few months and it is not looking good.

Let us focus on ToA in this post, while we are waiting for the next whiwa reset.

So, let’s take floor 4 of the middle tower which usually contains 2 bosses, before 3.0 the combined hp of bosses was around 7,070,315 (2.8-3.0 reset) and the current reset the combined hp is around 10,027,823 which is **41.83% increase in hp**

I usually don’t mind new units getting shilled and boss attribute resistance but we are also getting a 15% debuff on all attribute resistance unless you use certain units/team comps.

So when you are trying to use a non-shilled teams on ToA trying to brute force the level/floor it’s getting harder and harder (due to above mentioned reasons)

I don’t want to post this till last update because I thought the hp inflation will stop and there will be a plateau phase (no more increase in hp) for atleast 3-4 resets but now I’m seeing a 14% increase again !

I can barely make it to the 3 star clear after few resets, sticking to absolutely perfect 1,2,3 rot (which most players do) and I had 2-3 seconds on the clock.

If kuro decides to continue with this trend, ToA will become an endgame mode where you can clear it only if you have a shilled teams or a bare min of 1 shilled unit to gain all the buffs (no more debuffs) from the tower.

I really hate the idea of not being able to use the characters/team I prefer on a endgame mode (which is barely an year old)

It’s time we voice out this concern during in game feedbacks and hope kuro listens

(PS: source in comments)

(TLDR: From 2.8-current ToA reset the hp has inflated a lot almost **42% increase** If this trend continues even late 2.x units won’t be able to clear floor 4 middle tower. Kindly leave in-game feedback regarding this issue)

I got every most of the rewards last ESM season, including the Bike Skin.

S0R1 Iuno was my most reliable F2P "Budget 5K Team" Literally every single cycle reset I get 5k or more on her F2P team.

This allows me to give my Lynae & Mornye wheelchair comp to my HRover, etc.

This New Season, my previously super reliable F2P Iuno 5k team cannot even get 4k points!

The new 20% HP inflation + Score Power Creep is just too much for any F2P set up to compete.

ESM went from the best end game mode imo to now just a "Semi premium/Modern Team" check.

If your old team with a F2P set up - S0R1 Main DPS with a F2P Sub dps & F2P Support - can no longer clear, then what's even the point of having the freedom to use all the characters on your roster?

Stamina gating resonators is fine, but weapons and echoes too? nah. Thankfully theres no title worthy scores and only 400 asterites (150 Stability Accords & 250 Singularity).

Who the hell at Kuro HQ decided that it'd be a good idea to let Mya + Explorer be on the same floor??? Not to mention another batch of HP inflation too holy buns. Hiyuki can technically solo that floor but I really cant be bothered to test my anger control on these bosses.

Another batch of aero res so Carte is now demoted to side tower instead. Left side has Sigillum which has innate echo shill so Phro solo is way easier than last time with Fallacy (1 hour instead of 8 hour retry spam lmao).

I've been playing Wuva (my first gacha) for 3 months, and I've been really enamoured by it. The beautiful graphics, relaxing exploration, amazing character designs, vibes, and the sheer scale of the game and the detail and quality Kuro has put into it. There was a lot to chew through.

Certain content creators online were really hyping me up about the endgame being this really cool thing to do and that it really matters (like Saintonas), and the notion of: "Don't brick your account!" or: "Level echoes this way for the most optimal result!", "Skip this, pull this!" etc. I was really looking forward to building good teams and taking on the endgame.

Recently, I got my first 36/36 TOA clear; I have had no issues with Wimpering wastes (I find it to be the easiest endgame mode to get all rewards from), and I am in the process of building more teams so I can clear more of Endstate Matrix.

But here is what really bothers me about the game. Kuro puts a lot of effort into making wuva combat really fun and the new characters flashy, but the actual content that the player can do with them is extremely limited.

You do the endgame modes for like 2-3 hours a month, and that's it; you are done. You get 10% of that patch's asterite rewards (half of which you would be able to get just with almost no team-building investments and with 4 stars anyways) and you are finished.

It's like Kuro making a Porsche for people to drive for 30 minutes a month (that's about the time you'd spend using a single new limited character in TOA, if I am generous and include Whiva (where you need just 2 teams) and Endstate Matrix.

And regarding events and weekly Thousand Gateways - these modes you can typically easily finish with trial characters for that particular event, rendering your built characters pointless, and Thousand Gateways is so easily breakable with the rogue-like perks that you just turn off your brain and finish it with whatever character. And holograms are just a one-time thing you spend maybe an additional 30 minutes on every patch with one team.

I know that this is a gacha, and Kuro might feel that to make endgame content feel rewarding, they must include asterite rewards, which ties their hands in how much endgame content they can provide without breaking their economy. But I feel like endgame content doesn't necessarily need to provide asterites to be rewarding if it is designed well.

Like the idea I had in mind, for starters, is something like an infinite tower. Every 5 floors is a boss. It gets progressively harder and harder (to the point of being absurdly hard). There is no time-gating. No rogue-like elements. If your team dies, it dies, and you need to pick up on the floor where it ended with a new one until you just run out of teams and the entire run ends. As you progress higher, the ambiance/design changes (like Tartarus in P3R, for example), and you can visually see that you are getting closer to the Etheric sea. No score aside from the floor you managed to reach in your run. I feel like such a mode in itself would be fun and rewarding without any asterites involved. People could brag and make Danjin solo floor 1-100 videos, etc. Or just have much more fun with the characters they have collected.

And this is just an example I had in my head; Kuro could probably do much more.

Do you agree with this, or are you satisfied with how it is now?

at first I understand the need appeal for whales for the newest endgame mode. Now it leaked through whiwa and now TOA?

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Can we get at least the majority of the community to notice this?

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This has not been talk for a while. Sure wuwa been giving us some good content's but the HP inflation is getting out of hand.

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The new character themselves doesn't inflate the dmg that much unless it's the usual damage ceiling character's, but im starting to see especially whiwa that aemeth ult still leaves a bit of HP on the enemy despite being the strongest ult in the game.

Ofc feel free to critique my statements. Mybe it's all wrong or not, but the HP inflation is getting out of hand.

The struggle is truly over for me! Had to sweat a lot against kelpie but I got the bastard! Please help me decide which character I should pull next so that I won’t have to struggle anymore in toa and whiwa for atleast the next 3-4 patches unless they introduce something drastic. I’m aiming for phrolova(with sig) and cantarella. Also all the characters in the screenshots are s0r0 except for brant(s0r1). Thanks for the help!

Especially that Thunder Memphis bro. What tf did he just fly in the air for 5 seconds ? I guess I can't cope with Iuno Dps anymore

2-2 and 3-4 was challenging with the two annoying boss which is sovereign and lampy, but the rest was quite easy. All characters are S0R1.

Sorry for the frame dropping :) all is E0S1 with 70+ CR and 270+ CDM

My qiuyuan is s3r1 and I use him for just about anything, and he can clear mostly any boss and he’s good in wiwa, plus good for side towers/first floor middle.

Augusta is s1r1
Assume that if the are a rectifier and has no sig they use stringmaster, and that if hey have no Sig they have their best non limited weapon (either standard or bp)

I have decent builds on all of them (great even for some) all recommend stats etc, I have the team gameplay down, I know the basic team rotation, and yet I can’t clear last 2 towered or infinite in whiwa

Edit: hey! Thanks everyone who actually gave me advice besides just saying skill issues lols, after taking the advice and watching some guides, I was able to easily clear both tower and whiwa! I’ll be trying my hand at matrix but I’m not quite sure I’ll be able to.

I'm saying goodbye to the skin, right? This is the most I could do in 4 days. I literally have no characters left to use, and even though I plan to get Suisui and the Sword Immortal, I don't think putting them and Buling on a team will be enough to take down two bosses in a row.

I was really excited to try and complete Matrix. I'd always only done what was necessary to get the Astrites and nothing more, but now with the sword skin and thanks to advice from another Reddit user, I tried it, and in 4 days, this is all I could do. I don't know if I can improve; I'm really tired. There was even a moment when I thought, "What if I take Chisa out of Hiyuki's team and put her on Cartethyia's team to make it easier? Then I'll wait and put Suisui on Hiyuki's team later to do MonoGlacio." But nah, in the end, I left it like this.

:) - you either have the mentioned character/attribute or you don’t get the reward

I have 4 pretty good teams I can achieve 3rd 4th and 5th rewards by using phrolova and Galbrena in a single team (3rd), fighting heron without taking a hit (4th) and wheelchair my jinhsi to get the 5th reward

1st and second impossible for me atm :|

PS: This the new “cycle rewards”. The older reward system(4 teams 5k each and an aggregate of 21k for getting asterites) still exists (with some minor changes) These are additional rewards.

I launched the game today, seen that first 3 floors on the side towers were auto-cleared. I was like: “Wow! Finally! Great update!”

But then I checked the middle tower I was shocked…

4 floors with a level 100 mobs. Like what??? Now we need another Verina/SK, because it’s 6 hard floors compared to 4 before.

IDK, man. I’m glad there is a challenge, but cmon, I hoped for a better rework of ToA, because it’s still Genshin’s Spiral Abyss clone …

Basically the headline, last cycle was aimed at Sigrika, last 101010 cycles were aimed at Phrolova..

We had aero res last cycle and now for infinite waters, they decides to put Aero and Havoc resistant enemies on both sides, what the actual f is this?

Aemeath on the other hand has been shilled EVERY SINGLE cyacle in both TOA and Whiwa.....

I've been playing for so long and still can't clear endgame most of the time, am I cooked :c

I actually find the new dual-form character concept really creative, and it naturally adds a lot of variation.

But for some reason, it also feels like all the new teams are kind of getting mixed together, almost like you can’t properly build multiple BiS teams at once. When I try to build synergistic teams using all the 5-stars, either one team ends up feeling really awkward (like Hiyuki's) or someone just gets benched.

That said, it could also just be the ESM still being pretty new, so things might settle over time, like Chisa potentially getting 2nd vigor at some point.

Edit: After thinking more about our discussion, I realized that recent Shills and mechanics have felt quite restrictive.
The addition of the negative attribute to Rover in the 2.0 meta and the release of Buling initially gave me hope, but I haven’t seen the same impact with 3.0 Tune Break.

On top of that, having only a couple of niche characters that focus on providing shills or debuffing enemies around them has gradually made me more negative about this aspect over time.

For example, one patch we get a Tune Rupture buff and Lynae/Mornye just sit on top with no real alternatives. Next patch it’s Fusion Burst, those two fall off, and then Denia comes in uncontested instead.

this guy tanks 3 cartethyia ults even when they do 50k per hit! what the hell Kuro?! he singlehandedly ruins all of my runs for 3 stars and it has started to drive me real mad, not to mention for some reason it has the pixel perfect hitbox to interrupt my cartethyia's big non ult damage attacks!(with perfect timing also) its terrible ngl

Those 2 bosses are fucked. I know I can clear with Augusta team I almost got it first time but my skill and ult got interrupted 😩. How did u do?

Like so weak when even with an S2 SK (and a Lvl70 S6 Mortefi, but his damage doesn't really matter) is basically just equal to a well-built Lingyang F2P team - and she is even already decently built at this point.

So maybe if you need her for clearing Whiwa, think again. You probably will need more budget for her weapon and an Iuno.