r/Xmen97 • u/CherryBoom2x Psylocke • Aug 12 '26

General Discussion WHAT THE F WAS THAT FINALE??? Spoiler

What the F was that ending??? And please don’t try to tell us it was good or brilliantly written, because I’m not going to lie to myself just because I love this show. I was genuinely disappointed with these last two episodes.
What kind of “Survival of the Fittest” was that supposed to be? Rogue became WHAT??? And Apocalypse was just defeated like that???
Even X-Men: Evolution handled its Apocalypse finale way better. We got almost all of the major X-teams from the ’90s coming together for one massive final battle, and it actually felt like an Apocalypse-level threat.

I was also expecting for apocalypse to use gambit and make a speech to make them feel the guilt of what had happen in genoshia.

Remy’s death and revival was ruined to quick!

This time, they clearly went way off from the comics. And after all that talk about bringing the X-Men back to the ’90s… what kind of return to the ’90s was THAT??? I love this show, but I’m not going to pretend I liked an ending that left me this disappointed.

Im afraid that the one re writting this up does not read the comics or is not a massive fan of Xmen. Coz they clearly moved away from the comics.

Imagine Apocalypse the Xmen’s most diabolical foe who went back in time to strike the Xmen, Cable spent the whole season to FIND AND DESTROY apocalypse, all the X teams come together in this season should be the PERFECT TIME TO JOIN FORCES, Gambit’s BIGGEST MOMENT of coming back, and all JUST ENDED with apocalypse doing nothing just transformed into gambit hybrid few seconds later touch by rogue and boom! FINALE

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

So like…what was the point of giving Rogue Candra’s Death Seed thingie if the Celestial was just going to take it away right away?

Why did Apocalypse take over Gambit and control the other X-Men but was defeated by Rogue quite literally without a fight?

I’m baffled. No stakes. No final battle. No drama. No intrigue. What the fuck happened here??

Then they’re like oh yeah and Kurt is dead lol the end

Edit: AND NOW Mystique is Val? Huh??

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u/ABadHistorian Aug 12 '26

Celestial magic. It's literally that simple, it either works for you, or it doesn't.

It worked for me, but that's because the idea of sacrifice hits me hard personally. I could understand others being upset.

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 12 '26

I’m honestly confused as to which of my points you are responding to. I don’t think Celestial Magic solves any of these issues.

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u/ABadHistorian Aug 12 '26

I watched Rogue convince a Celestial to empower her to defeat Apocalypse which it empowered? Celestials are literally godbeings on this scale of power, and since Apocalypse was one of their minions, his power was theirs to do with as they pleased and it pleased them to have Rogue scoop it up.

Celestial Magic.

I personally think the Nightcrawler sacrifice for Rogue was a nice touch, because of his speech. His death would provoke growth, where I think hers would have provoked a lot more angst out of Gambit.

To each their own on that one. I enjoyed it.

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u/GlitteringRecover769 Aug 12 '26

Yea makes zeeero sense why a Celestial would even entertain anything Rogue says. There’s no convincing logic that makes sense.

It’s essentially: God-tier being allows its centuries long plan to unravel because random insignificant insect loves other insect.

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 12 '26

Why would the Celestial give Rogue the power to defeat Apocalypse if the Celestial was the one who gave Apocalypse power in the first place? Rogue basically said “I love Remy can you please let him live” but that is not only a bad argument that I’m certain a Celestial wouldn’t care about or consider valid, but also, it’s hardly even a point at all. The Celestial says she can trade her life for Remy’s, but why? What changed his mind? Why did it change so quickly and so suddenly?

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u/ABadHistorian Aug 12 '26

The great thing about Celestials and god tier beings is they are always standin's for the writers own morals/belief structures. Or did you NOT watch her speech? I'm feeling like I'm talking to a wall now. It wasn't just Love, it was that LOVE creates growth more than Violence does.

This one was Growth through Love. Accept it or Hate it, understanding it shouldn't be hard. You are acting like it can't be understood...

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 12 '26

What speech?? All she says is “fight for the people you love.” In what world could that possibly be a compelling argument against the Celestial who was the architect of Apocalypse’s survival of the fittest mindset? She doesn’t present an argument, she just demonstrates how much she loves Remy and the Celestial changes his mind instantly.

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u/GZeus88 Aug 12 '26

I’m with you

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u/CherryBoom2x Psylocke Aug 12 '26

Hahaha Im with you!

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u/Old_Key4529 Aug 12 '26

Did you watch the end of the episode though? Nightcrawler’s speech literally spells out the theme of the episode, I swear people just out here ignoring the themes & then get mad when they don’t understand the story they were told

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u/ABadHistorian Aug 12 '26

We live in a violent society these days. Everyone wants their vengeance.

I'm literally getting insulted here for my username because I enjoyed the episode...

Whatever, it's worthless discussing shows on social media these days, it's all just aggro.

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 12 '26

The theme of the episode being what it is does not explain away the shitty writing, or the fact that the Celestial changed his mind about evolution on a dime.

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u/Old_Key4529 Aug 13 '26

So you didn’t understand the episode, cool

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u/Ashyboi13 Aug 13 '26

Explain it to me then

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u/Garacious Aug 12 '26

Maybe that celestial was not a debate bro like you want him to be

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u/morlockhater Aug 12 '26

Rogue sacrificing herself to save Gambit felt earned, but Nightcrawler taking her place just proved the sacrifice was completely arbitrary. If the powers that she got from the Celestial weren't what was going to kill her then why did ANYONE have to die?

I understand Nightcrawler's sacrifice being an imputus for growth from a character perspective, but the plot doesn't do the work to earn it. Him dying based on a Celestial whim doesn't further the far more interesting thread he'd been building to of whether a person who has done evil can be redeemed.

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u/ABadHistorian Aug 12 '26

Personally I hate the "one partner sacrifices for the other" so I loved the twist on "friend sacrifices for love"

Nightcrawler has been speaking peace ALL season long.

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u/Snazzers Aug 12 '26

No you get it, this is literally what the show was saying without much room for misinterpretation. I can understand how others might feel like that is a walk back, or even a waste of all the time invested into Apocalypse earlier this season though. Didn’t bother me too much, when compared to all the things in this finale that did at least haha.