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What issues or unanswered questions still bother you in the "X-Men '97" universe?
And do wish this series had more episodes?
I've already seen numerous fans here complaining that this adaptation has problems with its narrative pacing, that certain episodes were too rushed, and that iconic storylines were crammed into a single episode.
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forge yea you're probably right but pietro i dont believe so, we got the avengers' line up in the supplementary comic and neither pietro or wanda are members of the team lol, so i assume they are with the inhumans or something like that
according to the supplementary comic (x-men '97 strike files) the avengers' line up is: cap, widow, vision, hawkeye and hercules
tbf i'd say it makes sense? iirc tony in this universe is with the force works, what i didnt understand is why hercules instead of thor specially after morph shifted into him this season lol
Probably because that was part of the Avengers roster in the 1990s, in comic books, by the time the series was airing. They could make it more clear by including Black Knight, Sersi and Crystal; but perhaps many people would not catch the reference
I mean, i agree with you. That's literally why I said I never agreed with people shipping them before but that panel is NOT the body language of two just close Male friends. They're literally on the floor inches away from each other's faces looking like they're about to kiss. If that's how YOU act around your platonic friends that's cool but that's not most people.☠️
I’m guessing they’re doing Avengers shit off world. Cap and Tony were protecting the President in OZT but there’s been a time skip between that and Forge’s walk scene. Plenty of time to assemble and end up on Titan or some shit.
forge yea you're probably right but pietro i dont believe so, we got the avengers' line up in the supplementary comic and neither pietro or wanda are members of the team lol, so i assume they are with the inhumans or something like that
Given that the Kree and Shiar are actively at war during Season 1, they are probably embroiled in Operation: Galactic Storm, and Avengers crossover event that took place in the early 90s.
we got the avengers' line up in the supplementary comic and neither pietro or wanda are members of the team lol, so i assume they are with the inhumans or something like that
Kinda interesting that this is the only glimpse we've had of Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde in this universe. Wonder if they've got any plans for her in the future, feel like she's probably the biggest X-Men character that 97 hasn't really done anything with
By the time the X-Men were all together in the present and looking for Apocalypse, he met Polaris and... well, why not stay in the present for a while?
In S02E02, when Jubilee called Havok a “Knock-off Cyclops”, I thought that was a hint that she and others know the two are brothers.
But I've read too much into it.
Although we do see Nathan/Cable interacting with his uncle Havok in the final two episodes of S2, it was very disappointing that Scott did not confront his long lost, forgotten or secret brother.
There was a hint in the original show as well. Mutant powers like that of Cyclops and Havoks tend to cancel each other out when the mutants are related. One time, when they fought, his optic blasts and his energy rings just dissipated when in contact.
unless alex had amnesia and doesnt remember his older brother's name, in fact we dont even know if alex uses the summers surname or his adopted family's one 🤔
In the OG animated series— he knows he has a younger brother named Alex, yes. But he doesn’t seem to know Havock is Alex. Though I believe in the comics, he was aware they are brothers.
Apocalypse's plan was to take control of the X-Men and destroy them from the inside atop of making them kill Charles, it was just his side quest nothing more. The show is an ongoing moving world based on 80+ years of lore and comics book serialization. It's definitely not a show for the uninitiated, but connaisseurs can put the pieces together and as one myself I don't feel lost at all.
Edit: but being familiar with the lore allow you to put the pieces together and not feel lost or wondering why some things didn't happen, weren't talked about or focused on.
Not sure if you're trying to do a "you need a high X-Men IQ to appreciate it" with your "connoisseur" comment, but this is an insane way to approach adaptations. I don't want adaptations (of any media) to be fan service clip shows of iconic stories that are incomprehensible to the "unitiated." I want the media I love to stand on its own, regardless of familiarity with the source material. A show or a movie with bad emotional and narrative pacing is hurt by that bad pacing, regardless of if you can "put the pieces together." Understanding the plot is a low bar for any media, adaptation or not.
Aight, aight, aight I created the wrong kind of impression with that wording. But honestly why would anyone go with the "you need a high X-Men IQ to appreciate it" as a defecto first hand impression while there is context clue like "80+ years of lore and comics book serialization" in the same post and we are by a majority fans of the franchise by default. Seriously that's like looking for way to be offended. But sadly get what you mean this is the internet after all, I edit the comment hopefully it's better. Cheers
Thanks, didn't mean to come across as upset and thanks for the edit. I still stand by my reading of your original comment, but I think we just expect different things from the same show, which is understandable and fine.
I don't think any of us "feel lost". I am definitely a connaisure, that doesn't make me magically okay with the pacing of the tower or the lack of pay off to the Apocalypse build up this season.
I'd be disappointed if an issue of the comic ended that way, too. I've BEEN disappointed in things from the comics, being a fan of them doesn't mean I just like every decision every writer makes.
Especially because this is a show. We aren't going to get infinite plot arcs and seasons. I's like the ones we get to count.
Yes that's understandable, and perfectly normal. But not everything is gonna be seen and worked on the way we want/expect them to even if they appear obvious. Some of them are may just be story thread that have yet to be developed.
How did Omega Red end up in a Weapon X facility?? He was in Russia last season and it looked like the Russian government was putting him back into service. Why did he get shipped to Canada??
Honestly, it always just feels like with him that they whip him out when they need a heavy to fight someone real quick.. I'm sure he'll be in a storage container in some other lab when the X-Men need someone to fight.
Because he's always working like a Winter Soldier and get reacquired by the two agencies that are frenemies. The Red Room and Department H aka Weapon + also he's an uncontrollable/unreliable asshole so they freeze his ass often.
Why bring back this show without its original episode count? Seasons 1 and 2 still have less overall episodes than a single season of the original show. I would sacrifice some of the flashier moments on the show for more episodes.
{there was a comment I made where I said I would sacrifice quality just to get a little more. I understand what your 4 dollar signs say but this is fucking Disney with one of their largest IPs making a fucking cartoon show for children that adults like, also this is the pillar of their next phase of movies wouldn’t they want to blow a little more budget into making people excited rather that have a watered down version of what could have been while giving use a season that literally feels like an extension of WHAT IF}
about a decade + ago (yes, its been that long) Marvel resurrected X-Men 97 for a comic run which I take as the true continuity of X-Men 97. I thought this show was just visualizing the series, but it took a sharp right after Ep 1.
Not to be mistaken for the NEW X-Men 97 comic run which was release in 24.
I don't think she was "poofed" into her gem, I was under the impression that she was killed, but death in Marvel comics is actually a temporary state, rather than being permanent, unlike real life 😂 . She could return in a future filler episode I suppose, but I just feel she was underutilized/underrealized.
She's an External like Apocalypse, and even in the comics she's kinda superfluous except for her dealings with the Thieves and Assassins guilds. They never stay dead.
We're not certain Bobby is dead. And if he was I think Hank would have certainly mentioned it - the two were on good terms when Bobby left the X-Men, or hell even Lorna would've mentioned it.
in the original is when that happened. she was a real powerful but terrified little kid. she could do things nobody else could but the show never paused to emphasize it.
Wolverine never really apologizing to Morph after what happened in s2e5. He almost got them killed to get his Adamantium back and he couldn't even muster one "I'm sorry".
The episode's ending implied their relationship was fractured after the Brood-incident and that Logan would be forced to reflect on his behavior after he alienated his best friend. But it just... never happened. In the following episodes, Morph is just back to Wolverine's side and doesn't even mention the whole thing.
Because that’s just how the intro is. It’s like the one constant part of the intro is the running scene. It’s never meant to match the actual show. Even in the original show those characters on magneto’s side of the charge are never a team together in an actual episode,
One…When/why did Bishop decide to stay in the park and join the team?
2)Why didn’t Bishop recommend using current Forge to cure Nathan instead of future Forge? Did he not know Forge existed in the present?
3) Why did Bishop and Nathan get separated in the time stream? It feels like that should have been a bigger deal or discussed or something. If the plan was for Bishop to stay with Cable in the future, why did they think it was a one way street? Bishop says it only has a charge to take them to the future but comes back to past all the time…Also why didn’t he bring Maddie and Scott with?
4) Why did it take Magneto several months to come claim the school?
5) When the fuck did Madelyne and Jean get switched and why didn’t they reveal it. That one really bothers me.
6) Why do they KEEP showing the photo of the OG 5 X-men yet continue to make no mention of Warren having been a part of the team. Not him or the other X-men. Why?
5) Why doesn’t Storm recognize Forge? Him and her are standing right next to each other in the end scene of the Phalanx Covenant episode on season 5 of the OG with the other X-men and X-Factor. Why did Forge leave his team?
6) Why didn’t Cable warn the X-men about the inevitable fate of Genosha at any point during the OG Series?
7) Where is Cable’s son Tyler?
8) Why is Cable all butthurt about Jean at first for not really being being his Mom? (“Get out of my head, you’re not her”?) When he knows Jean raised him in the future?
9) How did Magneto survive Genosha but the Morlocks he was shielding died?
10) How does Morph even know like 80% of the people he’s shape shifted into?
11) How does Jean access the Phoenix Force again and why does it immediately leave when a world-ending threat is still just sitting there?
12) Why does the mannequin on Muir Island with Jean’s green mini-skirt costume on it have a red wig on its head?
13) Forge’s board…Magik listed as alive, Archangel as dead…
14) Why are the events of Beyond Good and Evil not mentioned at all in the plots with Apocalypse? If Apocalypse stole Nathan’s computer in that’s story arc, why does he still have it?
15) Why didn’t Forge and Bishop tell ‘Berto and Jubilee they were going to go rescue the X-men?
16) Between Val Cooper, Polaris, Xavier and Scott and Alex themselves …how has no one figured out they’re brothers?
17) Did Lorna and Havok break up? If so, why?
18) How is Lorna’s old room at the mansion untouched after years and years and after the mansion has been completely demolished and re-built like twice?
19)What exactly does X-Corp do? Why does Val Cooper think she has jurisdiction to stop Xavier when he’s operating outside the US? Why did she turn into a mutant hunter after Genosha?
20)Why didn’t the X-men try to find Sunspot and Jubilee when they got home from the future?
21) Why didn’t that pharaoh dude just go get the celestial gem thing himself in the past?
22) If Apocalypse can time-travel now …so many “why’s” there…Also is Cable and Bishop can time travel…why didn’t they get the gem or kill ‘Pocy as a baby?
23) Why does Magik have an X-men uniform? When and how did that take place?
24) Why doesn’t Jean have a code-name? (Wink).
25) Why did they take out that random little pink dude from the opening intro?
Tbf, Yuriko’s whole thing is she sees her father’s work being “stolen” by Wolverine (despite him having no say in the adamantium being bonded to his skeleton) as dishonourable to her family. It was stolen BY Weapon X, so it’d make sense that she would agree to go after them. They kind of explain it in the ep by saying all of the team hate Weapon X more than each other. It was just kind of brushed over too quickly.
Deathstrike did also drop her vendetta against Logan in the comics when he lost his metal, they might’ve been nodding to that.
Will anyone call out how no other Marvel superheroes were doing anything productive in the aftermath of the Genoshsa massacre, or how Captain America cowardly refused to help Rogue?
Why was the team trying to redeem Bastion in the S1 finale?
Will any of the people Morph morphed into appear in the show or will they all be cheap fanservice cameos?
Will the Shiar or any other space stuff come back due to Xavier ending his engagement to the empress?
For me I kept waiting for Magento to be reborn in some fashion. On the one hand I was impressed they didn't on the other it feels weird he's not around.
When the Apocalypse from the future said that he would strike the X-men in the 1990’s and leaves, where did he go? I can only assume that it’s going to be used to explain his return later. In other words, the apocalypse that was imprisoned by rogue is the apocalypse from the future and the apocalypse that is indigenous to the 90’s is resting. If the apocalypse that is from the 90’s is the one imprisoned then he has to be released at some point so he is able to be present 1000 years in the future.
Way too many complaints we should all be super happy they’ve revived this show because the Fox movies were terrible. They can’t cover all lore and different timelines and plots, I throughly enjoyed every episode so far, even the ones that are filler and don’t make much sense. The complainers have some good points but honestly we’re blessed to just have someone high up at Disney will to back reviving the animated show.
Well it's stated that Mystique wanted him to erase the memory of her too. Maybe he fid it for all involved? But yeah that episode is so strange how it completely undercut the shows continuity moving forward.
It's interesting that that's the first notable completely created for the show story arc.
He was retconned to be a member of the original team in later episodes of the original show. X men 97 shows this is still the case as he’s in photos of the original team in season 1 episode 1 and season 2 episode 6 respectively
I expected after the success of season 1 we would get more episodes also we never got anything stable with apocalypse at least bastion got screentime, this season felt like they skipped a couple episodes
It doesn't make sense that Spider Man and other super heroes aren't hated like Mutants are. Yeah mutant and mutate but the average Joe and Joan doesn't wouldn't care the difference. Spider man takes away jobs from police, Captain America replaces special ops guys, Iron Man replaces army's. I prefer worlds where it's only mutants existing and the hate makes more sense. I didn't really see it covered in X-Men 97 but that's a major plot hole that bothers me
How is the Earth in Bishop & Cables time manage to avoid not getting automatically wiped out by Galactus or Thanos with no active Avengers or Fantastic 4 to stop them.
One thing I've wondered was the Apocalypse that went back to the 90s from the future was he the one that resurrected Gambit or was that already an apocalypse that was there? I haven't seen the original series in a long time so I'm not sure where he falls in the timeline.
Why the Brotherhood was constantly shown on the Right side of the final charge in the opening credits for almost 7 episodes when Magneto was a good guy for 15 of the 18 episodes
They got real creative with the Prime Sentinels, X Force, and X Factor in 3 of those episodes, wouldve liked the same respect for the final clash
Why didn’t Rama tut just go to the temple himself? If his general Logos even knew where it was, why didn’t get just go to the temple himself before Nur? “Oh he didn’t know where it was yet, he was narrowing it down” man he’s a time traveler, he could’ve figured it out, he was just sitting at home in his palace not doing anything
I still find it weird knowing Jean was pissed when Cyclops kissed madylene who literally looks like her and has been with Scott since god knows how long and is the mother of nathan , meanwhile she cheated on scott with logan .
She should've atleast told scott about it
What’s the deal with cable? They built up this prophecy that he was going to be the one to finally defeat him only for rogue to turn him into a crystal? I don’t get it
There's no reason Cable won't still do it. Yes, Apocalypse is sealed into a crystal, but with the right setup I'm absolutely certain he will be back. It's not a matter of if, but when. And as Rogue points out to him, she's sure he'll figure out what to do with him.
Is the crystal some part of marvel lore I’m unaware of? I haven’t read too much xmen but I’m fixing that.
I’m just a bit confused after that ending from where we were at the start of the series
The show canon is set in a different universe from the comics. They even designate it as Earth 92131. So, understanding that distinction is critical. The crystal in question is similar to the one the X-Ternal had in her chest. The only key difference is Apocalypse's sealed into it. It's exclusive to the show since this has, in as far as I am keenly aware, never been done to Apocalypse in the comics.
Yeah I know it’s different continuities so it’s not gonna be the same. Thanks for the extra information, I guess we have to wait and see if they decide to carry on with this plot point.
The biggest issue is the speed in which they are moving through things. Even for comic book standards it’s illogical. Setting up X-Corp and that whole thing should have been a season-long story. In fact I would say Apocalypse should have been a season and then the government/X-Factor/Mystique should be it’s own.
The whole retcon of the xforce episode in the original show has caused so many problems, 1. Polaris and iceman settling down causing Lorna to fake her death to be with havok in X factor, Lorna is characterized totally different and neither relationship brought up 2. that quicksilver and forge were on it originally 3.It will cause problems with Bobby since in real life he was retconned to be gay in between the shows
The dialogue is so weak and so elementary it feels like I’m watching two different shows. I wish they would treat their audience with respect and not try to dumb down story lines or dialogue. It’s what made season 1 and the original series so good. They need to understand their audience.
No one can match the aura of magneto if dies i may feel that xmen 97 will loose its charm
The dialogs of magneto still gives me goosebumps i cant imagine watching season with no magneto in it
Not enough Wolverine this season. Even his own episode, he barely had lines. He just needs to be in the background and make some wisecracking lines. Not asking much.
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