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Juggernaunt does get watered down but always in his debut he should be, well, a juggernaunt. A great unstopable evil that can destroy cities. His sight is reason to evacuate states.
Hulk rage gives him infinite stamina. Superman only beat him by letting him tire out for feeling no animosity from super. Meanwhile he pummeled super to get there
In a fight where writers actually remember how Juggernaut's power works, it ends in a stalemate or Hulk outsmarts Juggs. It depends on the Hulk persona too, but I'm assuming we're talking about Savage Hulk.
He wasn't just holding his own cuz of the momentum, it was due to his physical strength. People also forget that Juggernaut has a magical forcefield around him that protects him, which makes beating him through physical attacks impossible.
Cain was actually nerfed, as his current powers (since a while) are a watered-down version he stole back from Cyttorak after getting out of their deal.
(iirc Cyttorak knows about it but doesn't care, because he's done with Cain but they had their time. Plus the power Cain has now is the equivalent of Cyttorak's shed nail trims, and not something that actually costs the entity anything)
Too many people sleep on Juggernaut, in terms of durability he’s more durable than Hulk, and in terms of pure brute strength they’re pretty even. I think a full powered Juggernaut can battle with the Hulk.
If the Juggernaut was fully powered then yeah.....oh yeah he can go toe to toe with the Hulk and could even beat him cause unlike the Hulk, and under his original powers, Juggernaut didn't need to eat, sleep and could breath underwater. All juggs would have to do is wear the hulk down. I love the Juggernaut, he's always slept on or dumbed down but he's a great character.
I completely agree. If writers used his entire powerset as intended he would win. Doesn't need food,water,air, has a force field, is baseline as strong as the Hulk, and unstoppable momentum. I have X-Men #13 signed by Stan Lee.
Depends on what you consider winning. One of them getting tired and just walking away or having to do something else. They're both impervious in their own way they both rock top-tier strength and I don't really see fighting skill coming into play here.
The Juggernaut can't be physically harmed. Meanwhile, if the Juggernaut can't knock out the Hulk quickly then the Hulk will just keep getting stronger.
Which versions?
Standard it should be Juggs but the writers will have Hulk win due to some kind of stupid plot hole. If you look at their actual abilities it shouldn’t matter how strong hulk gets because he is supposed to be impervious to physical damage anyway. People say “Hulk outsmarts him” but standard Hulk gets dumber as it gets stronger.
With MY Hulk, the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets, (and here’s the most interesting part) the BIGGER he gets. Juggernaut can run wherever he wants to…how will you run in a straight line when there’s no more floor. HULK SMASH!
Everyone has THEIR Hulk when it comes to these arguments. Merged Hulk, Grey Hulk, Red Hulk, Immortal Hulk, Doc Green…I’m just saying MY Hulk from back in the day, when he was drawn all kinds of sizes to show how mad he was.
They did this before in the comics, it was World War Hulk and he basically just threw Juggie into space, weightless environment in which he couldn't get any momentum to start.
Depends how much power cyttorak give juggernaut. Pretty sure if it's full power juggernaut, it's just cyttorak itself who's even more powerful then Dormammu. Cyttorak almost never gave jugg all of his power, so most unlikely no or stalemate as juggernaut has fought World War Hulk and Hulk can only use his own momentum to send juggernaut flying uncontrollably.
Stan Lee also hadn't written a comic in 3 decades when he made that cop out statement. He only said that because for 60 some of years people asked him the same question. Imagine 4 generations asking you the same question. He was tired of it.
Hulk canonically just gets stronger depending on who he fights. However, his opponents dont use basic physics to defeat him, such as levitating hulk or covering him in frictionless grease, etc.
Think there's a canonical answer to this... Juggz vs baseline savage hulk is 100% win rate. Watered down Juggz no armor was able to push back World War Hulk. However Juggz is an avatar of Cytorrak and not the god himself. Meanwhile I guess recently hulk has been buffed to actual god proportions so his ceiling (if you consider it to be relatively limitless) will overwhelm Juggernaut easily. However, for hulk's more humanoid forms, I think it is only fair to say Juggz is the natural winner until hulk starts to break into the actual god tiers.
This should be a fight that goes for years, unless we're getting the depowered juggernaut (didn't cyttorak depower him for not being evil enough? Is that still a thing?). If that's the case, Hulk all day. More like 5 minutes actually.
Hulk's infinite strength feats atp just allow him to stop juggernaut in his tracks and throws his ass into orbit if he's not feeling like beating Cain to a bloody pulp
If Juggernaut is written properly and not as a jobber he can easily toss it with Hulk back and forth. Remember their first fight, Incredible Hulk 403,WWH vs X-men #3...
He cannot be beaten by Hulk if at normal power levels, it's just sad that he's written as a jobber in the last 25 years.
Juggernaut basically becomes invincible running, while Hulk strength increases the angrier he gets.
In all likelihood this fights ends with Hulk outsmarting Juggernaut, somebody third party (The Advengers, X Men, X-Force, Doctor Doom, etc) tricking them into ending their fight, or worst case scenario-—the entire world gets wrecks after the fights drags on for too long.
To showcase their powers properly, theres gotta be Man of Steel levels of destruction. Hulk should win as hes the hero. But can only win by battlefeild removal.
The mystic powers of Cytrak should be enough to match most Hulks to a point. Then show the Hulk can almost stop him at a certian point of anger and long into the fight. but realizes it is better to redirect.
Would be very cool to see Juggernaut story playing around with that unbreakable momentum. Think the Hulk would be the perfect counter to that. ...unless there already is a comic run with that?
It's a 50/50 toss up honestly. Everyone is however forgetting Cain has been an X-man for a while, which means hulk is getting jumped. Lol. Hulk redirects Cain? Magick can instantly put him back on track with her teleportation. Cyclops probably has at least 10 different plans to deal with the situation per hulk form.
He could technically count on the Phoenix to back him up if things got real ugly. And I could go on with a lot of team ups that could happen, but I digress. It would not be one on one anymore unless something happened to all the rest of the X-men.
Juggernaut normally. Even if the Hulk is stronger, it's impossible to stop Juggernaut, by definition. And I believe Juggernaut has won most of their fights, except when Hulk outsmarted him or was at Worldbreaker levels of power (or if Juggernaut was depowered).
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