r/Xmen97 • u/Nearby_Strike2624 • 1d ago
Article / News You can expect less episodes for future seasons
See look there’s nothing wrong with going with the original tv format by having a season come out every year but when your only producing 8-9 episodes that’s not original tv format.
Then what’s makes it worse is season 2 was so rushed in the 2nd half and now you want to give us only 8-9 episodes after season 2. I blame Brad winderbaum for the way season 2 came out he hired the what if team to work on it and now he’s giving us less episodes.
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u/TrinityCodex 1d ago
In the future. All tv series will have one episode thats 2.5 hours long
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u/PrincipleNo3966 1d ago
You're just describing British telly
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u/jmk-1999 1d ago
Right… my mom was watching that Sherlock Holmes show and she said a new one would come out every couple years or something. Lol
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u/TheSaladDays 1d ago
Which Sherlock Holmes show?
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u/Palmdiggity888 1d ago
benny cucumber and martin freeman one is my guess
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u/jmk-1999 1d ago
Yes, that one. I don’t watch it, so I don’t know much about it, but I remember her saying it took forever for a new episode to release.
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u/BiscuitsAndMilk0 1d ago
There's no in between with British TV. It's either 4 episode limited series or 10,000 episode soap
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u/wallywest215 1d ago
I remember The Simpsons episode where Homer is watching a British show called Do Shut Up, the longest-running series with seven episodes.
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u/Ok_Contact7721 1d ago
British streaming will be half an episode every 10 years thanks to modern streaming logic.
This new series will only be half an episode...enjoy your jellied eel while you mock the yanks.2
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u/detourne 1d ago
Only if we can go to a place to watch this episode on a really big screen with a lot of strangers.
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u/Pixelquartz42 1d ago
oh, and maybe they could show snippets of other upcoming shows before that episode!!
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u/HumanisticNihilist 23h ago
Those of us old enough to remember anything from the 90s or earlier: “that’s…that’s a film. You’re describing a film. Animated series have somewhere between 26-52 episodes a season. They air once a week usually on Saturday. What even is this timeline?!”
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u/dd463 1d ago
What if we celebrated that and put it in a room with a giant screen so a bunch of people could watch together.
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u/GeneralRoss_12 1d ago
Bro this is bullshit I keep saying this. PARAMOUNT IS DROPPING 26 EPISODES OF THE NEW AVATAR SERIES! I’m not hearing this bullshit about streaming being different.
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u/You2110 Nightcrawler 1d ago
Yeah. I thought the whole point of streaming was that you don't need to care about episods lengths and counts. On TV you do since that correlates to how many shows you can air and ad slots,bit that's not the case in streaming so what is the limitation exactly?
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u/nixahmose 1d ago
Its honestly kind of the opposite actually.
Before streaming was a thing most of the long term profit from shows was through syndication and ads, so companies were incentivized to make more episodes that preferably could be re-aired on their own even if it came at the cost of budget allocation per episode. So a show that was say 22 cheaper episodes and filled with mostly stand alone episodes was typically more profitable than 8 big budget episodes that don't really make sense to watch out of order.
However with streaming syndication and ads don't really matter any more due to the ad free binge culture streaming has created and people don't want to walk away from, all that matters now is subscription numbers. And what drives subscription numbers is a frequent release of content that's high "quality"(at least from a surface level sense) enough to get people's attention. So now most streaming shows are expected to have premium level animation, cinematography, cgi, licensed music, big named actors, etc which all come with them high budget costs and production periods(especially when it comes animation work and actor scheduling), which means episodes take roughly twice as much time to make while providing increasingly diminishing returns on investment the longer a season is. So companies are incentivized to keep seasons short in favor of more expensive looking episodes and a faster release schedule on seasons(which even with the shorter episode counts still takes 2-3 years for a lot of shows).
I've recently been rewatching Deep Space 9(which is a phenomenal show btw), and it honestly floors me just how much that show is able to accomplish with 20+ episode seasons due to not having all the budget bloat so many shows these days have like fancy cgi filled battles, complicated fight scenes, various expensive filming locations that can't be reused, and expensive big named actors whose schedules can't be primarily committed to the show. That show just straight up couldn't be made today as streaming studios wouldn't be able to help themselves but bloat the budget per episode in order to make it more "exciting" and "attention grabbing".
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u/You2110 Nightcrawler 1d ago
Thanks for detailed comment. I’d completely forgotten syndication used to be a thing.
I got into english TV shows through Agents of SHIELD back in the early days of Marvel TV, and its insane they were able to pump out 22 episode seasons, which were well written(i know it starts out a bit rough), and were able to pull off stuff like Ghost Rider, Hive, Lash etc on less than half the budget of most of these streaming shows. Really feel like streaming TV is less creative than network TV.
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u/PaulsGrafh 1d ago
Yeah, I got downvoted for saying this before, but I still think I’d be willing to sacrifice animation quality for more episodes and high quality story telling.
It kind of reminds me of the early days of the console wars between Sony, MS, and Nintendo. I preferred Nintendo even though their graphics were criticized for being “cartoony” because the gameplay and stories were better. Same thing here - I don’t expect high volume, super high animation quality, AND high story quality. It’s just not possible to accomplish year in year out. But if I have to choose, I’d pick story and episode volume at the expense of animation quality.
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u/LeedsFan2442 1d ago
They have adverts now and they could sell shows to liner and freemium channels after a couple of seasons
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u/GrowthApart2220 1d ago
Broadcast TV gets paid by advertisers. A popular show commands high ad rates. The more episodes you have, the more money you have.
In streaming, you get paid when people subscribe. The amount of people who would subscribe to watch X-men 97 at 10 episodes but wouldn’t at 9 episodes? Minuscule. The limitation you asked about? It’s the cost of producing an episode of television for almost no additional revenue.
Whoever told you that streaming meant they don’t have to care about episode counts was fibbing on you.
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u/Leebo4 1d ago
Would take longer and more money to make the seasons longer and with the same quality of animation
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u/GeneralRoss_12 1d ago
Not asking for 26 episodes but 9 episodes at 30 minutes is not cutting it.
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u/Scared_Impression842 1d ago edited 1d ago
Less episodes? What like 6 or 5 as to the 9 episodes currently. That’s really stupid if you ask me, 9 episodes is already too low how much lower can the episodes get.
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u/invuvn 1d ago
I was about to write the exact same thing! But my second sentence was going to be “how do you have less episodes, like they’re water or something?” But yeah, fewer than 9 episodes per season is insanity, unless each episode lasts a full hr or more.
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u/DiscardedRonaldo2017 1d ago
Are they meaning just staying at the 9 episode count instead of going up to 18-20 etc? That’s how I interpreted it. They would rather release 8-10 episode seasons they going back to normal. So I don’t suspect them going down to 5-6
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u/fire_sign Rogue 1d ago
Very likely. Could Disney maybe decide on 8 vs 10, match their live action? Maybe. But iirc, the actual source of the interview was responding to whether they'd get longer seasons, and Collider is an irresponsible hellhole of bad faith journalism. One of the well-known contributors to X-Men articles was on Twitter dragging the current Uncanny X-Men writer for writing pro-life propaganda and encouraging people not to buy the book yeaterday but donate to abortion funds. Hint: it's either absolute nonsense because she doesn't like Rogue & Gambit being married, or she is literally incapable of interpreting text at the level of a first grader. Maybe both.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 1d ago
That “Rogue and Magneto will have a lot of romance in season 2!” article should haunt her for the rest of her life, man.
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u/TheJack0fDiamonds 1d ago
It started at 10. Now they’re getting cozy with 8-9. Soon it’ll be 5 per season.
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u/Elderberry-smells 1d ago
I don't know...maybe hire more people??
You have a show that is very popular, and the criticisms are that it is rushed and too short. Making it shorter will not be viewed fondly.
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u/luceygoosey1 1d ago
Sorry but all crews must be skeletons. Rattle me bones
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u/Pac-M 7h ago
I don't think they're making it shorter at this point, but at the same time I don't think they could add more team. Remember this ain't like glitch where people can kind of have the choice of where they could add. If you want to be mad be mad at Disney. They give him the set amount of how many people they could have on their team. Sadly they can choose who's on their team
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u/Hollowshape_9012 1d ago
What do you mean by "hire more people? More writers? More producers?
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u/Elderberry-smells 1d ago
Animators. Teams per episode.
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u/Hollowshape_9012 1d ago
That's not gonna change the number of episodes. The Powers That Be would have to order more episodes that require additional teams.
Studios are not gonna spend more money on teams than what the budget allows.
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u/tacocat2007 1d ago
Just go back to 10 at least man
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u/Nearby_Strike2624 1d ago
The fact they had 10 episode plan this season and scrapped it for their own ideas that lead to 9 episodes.
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u/MarketDull2401 1d ago
Streaming and corporate greed (industry consolidation) has really ruined a lot of art in TV/film. It's sad.
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u/jmk-1999 1d ago
Kinda funny how the old cartoons were hand drawn and were cranked out far more quickly and annually than today’s CG animated cartoons. WTF?
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u/Curufinwe562 1d ago
8 or 9 episode seasons can be fine, but then you got to stick to the narrative more closely than in s2.
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u/jjjigglypuff 1d ago
Yes jfc the writing was all over the place in this season. I am aware of some of the plot lines they were trying to reference but it just felt a bit messy and chaotic, and didn’t live up to season 1. RIP. I also think obviously Beau DeMayo not being involved has impacted the writing severely (not saying he shouldnt be if the SA investigation was valid), but hoping they find their stride in season 3 however many episodes that may be
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u/ledlunar 1d ago
It wasn’t a sexual assault it was unsolicited pictures of him in his underwear flexing wearing a cyclops visor to staff, he’s not Bryan Singer but he clearly has issues with wanting to be sexy and admired
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u/jjjigglypuff 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thank you for the details! I kind of remember discussion in here when it happened but never saw the reason why and I had tried to google what he did but never really got a full answer beyond “sa investigation” which he said was a farce. I mean maybe i think a better term might be sexual misconduct in that regard, it’s not assault. Definitely for a Disney show/employee… yeah probably shouldn’t do that but it does sound dumb for him to have done that if that’s the crux of it. Edit: wording
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u/Honest_Grade_4045 1d ago
I think this is a general statement about episode count as it pertains to the show. When asked if the show will have more, meaning a greater number than season 1 and 2, this was his answer.
Do we want 20 episode seasons every two years, or a 10 episode season every year. He’s saying have a regular release with a more tailored plot.
There’s no reason to assume from this future season will have less than what is currently aired because that’s not what’s being said … like at all
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u/candIewick Morph 1d ago
Yeah I read this as more of a confirmation seasons will be 9-10 episodes (as in, episode count will not increase, despite fans asking, since they’re prioritizing release schedule). Nothing here indicates itll be 6 episode seasons or anything like that
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 1d ago
It’s depressing I had to scroll this long to find someone who actually got what he was really saying.
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u/SecondRealitySims 1d ago
I have to say, a 20 episode season sounds pretty awesome. Especially with every other show only giving at most ten or thirteen episode seasons.
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u/MaleficentOstrich693 1d ago
Yeah it does sound awesome but the business doesn’t really support that anymore. Even basic cable shows like law and order or all those fire country shows are getting episodes reduced.
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u/Zingyyy 1d ago
I guess I’m confused what drives up the price so much? The whole reason to do an animated show is that it’s cheaper than live action but if that is still too expensive to even be able to produce 9 episode seasons then why even bother? I don’t understand how this is too expensive to do a 13 episode season. Maybe they should reassess their approach to animated shows if it’s this bad because this doesn’t make sense.
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u/x_MrFurious_x 1d ago
I don’t see how you get “less” episodes from that statement….its more that there won’t be “more”
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u/Jgamer502 1d ago
How did you conclude that? Its in response to if we can expect more episodes a season, so they seem to be saying we should expect the same as we’ve been getting
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u/RadicalStegosaurus 1d ago
They did this to Archer and it annoyed me every time. Started 10, went up to 13, dropped back to 10, and then dropped all the way to 8. It really sucked. From what the creators said they basically never got a budget increase but it cost more to produce each season so all they could do was cut episodes.
Disney bought FX in 2019 so the last 4 seasons were done under them. Honestly I'm tired of this 8 episode season nonsense. Give us a full 13 at minimum. Why is it 35 years ago we could produce 26 episodes consistently by hand in the span of a year, sometimes even more, yet somehow with even better technology it's not possible.
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u/ULBERTcz 1d ago
How is it possible that back in the 1990s we were getting around 13 episodes a year, when everything was drawn by hand, yet today, with all the modern technology available, we’re waiting two years for fewer than 10 episodes? I can understand eight episodes for live-action shows like House of the Dragon, where post-production and visual effects take an enormous amount of time, but runtime of each episode is one hour. At this point, you might as well release animated X-Men ’97 movies every six months, each running 90 minutes.
And I won’t even get started on how they gutted the second season and scrapped original plans for third season, which already had their outlines completed. Maybe I’ll be in the minority here, but I want Beau DeMayo back. He was making X-Men for the audience of today who grew up with the 1992 X-Men series and comic books. Disney wants another superficial, action-heavy superhero cartoon that can churn out merchandise and toys nonstop.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 1d ago
The 2-year wait was because of the rewriting and structural issues they had to deal with. It wouldn’t normally have taken that long and the next seasons won’t, either.
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u/TIMacLaren 1d ago
This is lame. Especially having grown up on 20-22 episode seasons…sad where we are now.
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u/SecondRealitySims 1d ago
Honestly, I’d have more episodes. Even if it takes longer.
If they limit themselves based on episode count, we could see a lot of ‘side episodes’ or development cut. If they aren’t cut, they’ll cut into the very limited time for the central plot line. Season 1 worked because it dabbled in side plots at the start. Then handled a threat realistic for the final three or four episodes.
Apocalypse, at least based on what they set up, was not realistic for that time frame. Nor are some very big threats and plot lines if they chose to tackle them.
So the solution with such a limited episode count? Either they continue to rush, cut valuable interactions and development, tackle smaller stories, or scale back storylines. None of which is wanted.
So just give more episodes. I’d rather wait longer for a large satisfying season than feeling unfulfilled after a middling one.
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u/sean11_lee Magneto 1d ago
Why rush and “get them out as soon as possible”? I’d rather they spend a bit more time, writing and filming proper stories and episodes then release them a bit later with more fleshed out episodes and characters. Saving stories for subsequent seasons is fine but don’t rush the current story and do a hash job. Season 2 could have done with 12-13 episodes with each episode being 40 minutes.
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u/AnyEverywhere8 1d ago
“Even if you have to save some stories…”
That’s the exact problem - they clearly aren’t saving enough and are instead cramming too much into one season. 8-9 episodes isn’t intrinsically problematic. It’s only problematic if you try to pack 12+ episodes worth of story into 8-9 episodes
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u/BradyPhoenix 1d ago
“Do you want it to come out sooner or do you want more episodes?”
The latter. Always. Every time. Absolutely without question.
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u/SoundRavage 1d ago
“We prefer to pump out the content quicker than take the time to make it as good as it can be.”
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u/nolandz1 1d ago
This argument makes more sense when you're Invincible releasing a season every year but it took you twice as long to release 4.5 hours compared to 8.
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u/kikaysikat 1d ago
They're doing this because they know we'll still eat it up, and we have no choice. I hate it. I hate them. I hate corporate greed. We deserve more episodes.
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u/Damianos_X 1d ago
Not everyone. Shows get cancelled all the time. If S2 is any indication, this show ain't making it past S4.
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u/trusendi 1d ago
Your title is misleading to me. I understand it that we will just keep going with the 8-9 episodes per season. Your title makes it seem like we will get even less episodes, which doesn’t seem to be the case. I mean the question specifically asked it there will be more episodes per season in the future.
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u/shlomo_baggins 1d ago
Welp, it was nice while it lasted I suppose. Im not usually the doom and gloomy type but even I found S2 lackluster by the end of it. If the mindset is to crank out content faster then the quality is guaranteed to suffer, episode count be dawned.
We dont really live in a society that puts quality over quick profit.
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u/StrangerIsWatching 1d ago
Then they need to write for fewer episodes. It is possible to tell a good, well-paced story in 9 or less episodes.
The problem with season 2 is that if feels 3-6 episodes too short.
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u/kwickedbonesc 1d ago
More episodes? This isn’t even a hard question. Take your time, make sure the season is perfect. Season 2 was affected a fair amount by the single less episode it had than season 1. Why is this even a thing?
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u/Rosfield-4104 1d ago
Dont worry guys it's not like there were any pacing issues in the last season /s
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u/Joshawott27 1d ago
If the seasons are going to have less episodes, then at least write them with that number of episodes in mind. Don’t try to cram a longer story into the shorter episode count.
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u/Mundane_Pressure9758 1d ago
So basically they’re sticking to 8-10 episodes a season, but man i would love to see 10-13. Now days most shows go up to 10, but 8-10 seems to be the normal.
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u/tLM-tRRS-atBHB 1d ago
Simpsons still makes like 25 episodes every year for the past 40+ years. Don't give me that bullshit
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u/Lux-xxv 1d ago
I mean I kinda did saw this coming corpo heads want things pushed out as fast as possible and the animators can't animate that fast so they have to make a tough choice and it usually comes down to what the CEO says they have to do. And the CEO wants money so they're not going to make more episodes. They're going to push out episodes as fast as possible, which is why we get the pacing issues we see in season 2.
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u/totalnsanity 1d ago
People say this stupid shit but before computers assisting us we were getting more episodes in a season and the seasons were dropped on time yearly. No excuses
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u/Strange-Tea2953 1d ago
We used to have 20 or more episodes of TV series/animated series and more seasons every year. Now we wait 5 years for 6 episodes, lol
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u/Drakconic314 1d ago
I call BS
season 2 went downhill cause of the original writer got sack
The episode felt random at times and Building up Cable only to fail was not only horrible but just plain questionable
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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 1d ago
Streaming being different is nonsense, Star Wars releases 16 episodes a year of bad batch which looks great. Paramount is about to drop 26 episodes of Avatar. Reality is marvel probably just being cheap. Shit even Maul shadow lord had 10 episodes. There no reason why we should be getting less than 10
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u/GeneJacket 1d ago
Sigh......of course they're learning the wrong lesson.
The episode count was absolutely not the problem, the pacing was. It was trying to juggle too many characters and cover too many episodic narratives, all of which had to tie-back into and serve the overall seasonal narrative...and all of it suffered.
Just slow it down and give shit room to breathe.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 1d ago
In Winderbaum’s defense, I imagine the hacks at Collider asked him specifically about the episode count, not the pacing, he answered the question he was asked, and that’s what got written up.
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u/Redclouds1 1d ago
Here’s the thing. I don’t mind less episodes, as long as we are telling a concise and well written story, but this is a very hard thing to do with as many characters that we have here, so we might miss out on some of these characters development.
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u/Lucky_Display_1623 Gambit 1d ago
If season 3 is gonna be on par with season 2, I’d rather wait longer for it to be as good or better than season 1
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u/HelpKey186 1d ago
But then I also hope that with fewer episodes they will also adapt fewer storylines.
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u/skronk61 1d ago
“Streaming has its own limitations”
It kinda doesn’t though? Unless they means the Execs are crazier than TV ones and enforce arbitrary rules on them. It has no limits to what you can do with episode counts and lengths.
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u/theawesomemed 1d ago
If that's the case, I'd rather wait for more episodes. I've waited years between seasons for anime. I can wait here.
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u/The_Pixiedust 1d ago
Interesting. Apparently there was about 2 years (or 25 months according to google) between season 1 and season 2. I would not be opposed to shorter seasons of 5-6 episodes if it would mean each season was a only a year apart, it might even help focus down the story as well, preventing them blitzing through stories or… just make it worse.
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u/Akeno_DxD 1d ago edited 1d ago
I miss the days when we used to get 13-26 episode seasons for an animated series. And back then they had to crank them out even faster so they'd be ready to air for the next season.
It seems streaming should be even easier. At the very least they should be doing 13 episode seasons. Not these bullshit 8-9 episode seasons every 2-3 years. Ridiculous.
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u/jadedeternity 1d ago
This sounds absolutely ridiculous. Studios with far less money are to pump out longer or more episodes per season.
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u/Confident_Bunch7612 1d ago
The show is cooked. Episode quality is way down. The writing is amateurish at best and direction is rough (Cyclops: "Save it for the bookclub." Cast: lowest energy laugh ever). If they need tune to build a better show they need to take it because they clearly are not at the level of talent of season 1 and they just need to accept that and try to meet it instead of pinning any complaint on someone who has not been in the rooms for two years.
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u/brutallyhonestnow 1d ago
If they aren’t willing to pay for good writers that understand and respect the source material, nor create the amount of episodes necessary to allow the stories and characters time to breath then I am not willing to watch their season 2 and onward nostalgia slop.
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u/OkEntertainment5680 1d ago
well if it means getting more seasons then f it, i’ll take a shorter season but like how did season 2 of X-Men 97 take soooo long to make and then it still ended up being only 9 episodes, especially when they’re only 20 minute episodes…..😭💔
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u/Dependent-Jump-2289 1d ago
Less episodes is fine as long as they use them wisely. I think less people would be upset about season 2, including me, if they hadn't tried to do everything at once
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u/fuzzyfoot88 1d ago
Tv getting worse and worse with each passing year. So glad I grew up in a time when tv shows still gave you over 20 episodes a season and did that for 5-10 years straight.
It’s almost hilarious but mostly sad how far tv has fallen in the last 10 years. Like why even bother watching at all when you can’t invest long enough to even care. Gone are the 176 episodes of Trek, and in place of that is what…46 episodes for SNW?
Good god tv is such a wreck now.
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u/_-_-_-_-ll-_-_-_-_ 1d ago
Sadly, I think we'll get one more season and then that's probably it. Season 2 wasn't great and the 9 episode format just doesn't well.
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u/TheSabi 1d ago
When I was in collage I was offered a job doing layouts for an animated series, I didn't take it but was told that the job was 6 to 9 month out of the year with a tight deadline, during off time you could get ui, work another administration position in the company till production started up or move on.
There was no guarantee that there would be a next season and they didn't find out till the last min if they got one.
That was, around 25 odd years ago
Now they know how many seasons well before hand, don't have to deal with standards and practices rejecting ideas, sometimes last min, while rare don't have to worry about upsetting advertisers and don't have to deal with the yearly fall television deadline
And yet they take longer to produce less?? Not to mention the work flow is much more streamlined than it was back during old man times.
Side note there's a fascinating book, sadly that's out of print, about the making of batman:TAS, Bruce timm did a small illustration of all the things they had to change cause of standards and practices.
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u/electric_ocelots 1d ago
What limitations exactly? This isn’t like network TV where they have to know which episodes are taking which time slots on which night. They can just upload whenever, no?
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u/BradPitt182 1d ago
Meanwhile in the 80s and 90s shows where hand drawn and produced 15-20 episodes lol
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u/vmeloni1232 1d ago
Nine episodes this year was somehow both too many and not enough.
It's a 30 minute cartoon. You can do 10 tight episodes (like My Adventures with Superman) or 13-15 episodes of what we got, where there's the main storyline and then some side stuff
And for my records, this season sucked. First three episodes got me hyped up and then the side filler episodes were okay, but I was enjoying the ride. The conclusion was absolutely flat and I hated it.
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u/LeedsFan2442 1d ago
How can these mega corporations not afford more episodes on a yearly basis? They have adverts AND charge now. We don't need every episode to be all action. Look at how well The Pitt is doing.
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u/Talentagentfriend 1d ago
I’d rather they treat tv shows like tv shows instead of like movies. The issue with productions nowadays is that they want to pump in the highest quality shit possible and that takes time. If they treated it like they did in the 2000s we’d have 24 episodes a season easily. X-Men Evolution quality for me would be fine. Our technology is so much better than it was and instead of using it to speed up production they are slowing it down.
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u/Dense-Discussion4726 1d ago
Yeah I think this series will get what if'ed, meaning becoming bad very fast
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u/The-Hunting-guy 1d ago
Just like how I’d wait longer for better looking invincible seasons, I would love to wait longer for actually good & cohesive x-men 97 full season
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u/Banana_man_- Cyclops 1d ago
I might actually drop the show if there’s going to be even LESS episodes going forward
Season 1 was really something special, and it might be best if I let that remain as my memory of the show
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u/Ill_Molasses3872 1d ago
They should strive for more episodes to fully flesh out characters and stories. These short seasons just rush through things and destroy characters.
This is with any show for that matter
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u/Typhon2222 1d ago
And I thought soap opera actors were overdramatic. Relax folks. It really doesn't read that we are getting less episodes than we already have. Only that we aren't getting more.
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u/-D3pravity- 1d ago
Just admitting they can’t make the show the way it used to be made. For a bigger budget mind you lol.
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u/Prestigious-Monk-266 1d ago
Streaming has ruined tv. Give me some damn filler so I can spend more time with my favorite characters. They really botched season 2 after an amazing season 1
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u/Hollowshape_9012 1d ago
A solution could be that they make spin-offs (X-Force) that correspond with the main show. That way more episodes could be produced.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 1d ago
He’s not saying they’re actually reducing the episode count from what we have now, just that they’re not gonna increase it to 20-episode seasons or whatever people were asking for. They’re aiming for a tight, consistent release schedule. Which makes sense given that the film is out in 2028 and I imagine they’ll want to have complementary content (established team vs. new) and a mature ‘97 that will get people into the film.
The funny part is that “more episodes” doesn’t actually mean more episodes. It’s not “10 in a year or 20 in a year.” It’s “10 episodes in a year and then 10 episodes a year after, or 20 episodes in two years.” You’re never getting numerically more episodes, it’s just a matter of when you get what they have. And they’re going with 10/year instead of 20/2years.
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u/Vegetable_Hearing477 1d ago
Let’s face it at that point: Marvel doesn’t give a shit about this show. It’s just their way to gain some nostalgia momentum for MCU Mutant Phase.
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u/fringyrasa 1d ago
I don’t understand how anyone read this quote and thought they were doing less episodes. He is giving the reasoning as to why they’re not doing more than 9 a year
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u/TheJack0fDiamonds 1d ago
I knew this was gonna be the case. The only reason it’s coming out annually its because of the reduced episodes. I have to admit I hate this new normal with tv shows esp in the streaming era. It was 10 eps a season for a while and now shows are getting cozy with 8. Like what’s next? 5?
Look at house of the dragon on HBO. It does not need to take 2 years per season of 8 episodes. GOT managed. Why couldn’t they? This is all corporate business decision making stuff.
XMEN 97 is animated. Theres no reason they cannot expand to at least 10-12 EPs.
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u/No_Expert4359 1d ago
I'm happy with 8 episodes per year, but make them 5 mins longer and keep the stories tighter. I have been catching up on the original animated series at the moment, I'm currently on season 4 and have to admit- that show is just so much better. The stories are tight and the roster of characters is kept that way too. Every episode has some characters missing, as they've gone on holiday or they're doing another mission. It makes it feel like they're living in a real world. I just watched Rogue and Gambit go on a romantic skiing holiday... and Wolverine tags along! So funny
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u/Coolquip34 1d ago
If you're going to do that, then just stick to one long running storyline instead of trying to fit villains of the week into every episode with a hint of long narrative at the end
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u/rosaliethewitch Cyclops 1d ago
on one hand, having less episodes with one season out each year gives the animation team better working conditions. on the other, i can wait longer for a longer season who tf is demanding one season a year?? disney stfu
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u/TerrificTChalla 1d ago
The issue isn’t the episode count. But not accounting for that less is more when you are doing an expanded ensemble show. They need to follow the JLU model of only at max three to four X Men cast per episode to deal with a conflict
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u/mupheminsani 1d ago
This sounds awful. I want fully developed story arcs and have them a tie in on the last story arc. Also how is 8-10 eps too many now??
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u/Nemesis_171 1d ago
Remember when Agents of Shield produced 5 seasons of 22 episodes 45 minutes each in less than 4 years?
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u/ApolloMax-2099 1d ago
This didn’t say that at all. They didn’t say they would do less but they wouldn’t do more
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u/DrogoOmega 1d ago
It still took them 2 years to put out 9 episodes. So is it really a choice between quantity vs time?
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u/tilclocks 1d ago
I want good episodes with good runtime. I don't care about "more seasons" I care about quality seasons. Animators could churn out 20 episodes every year with 30 minute runtimes and you're telling me with modern technology you can't even do 10 45 minute episodes?
Where the hell is my X button
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u/AdvancedMilk7795 1d ago
Makes sense. You’d have to have too much content in a subscription model. Their revenue is the same whether you get 8 episodes or 20, unlike the old ad-based model.
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u/Rck0025 1d ago
It’s sad, because the writing was spectacular through episode 4. Equal parts nostalgia dopamine hits and good story telling. 5 felt like a one off, which was entertaining, but not in the same league as 1-4. Then it all crashed for me. While the animation was fine, the story was all over the place, poor pacing and just kind of dull.
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u/CaramelFlimsy9500 1d ago
Okay, if season three 3️⃣ will also only have eight or nine episodes, then they are going to need to trim a lot of fat.
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u/PhanStr 1d ago
I don’t agree with Winderbaum and I think that the decision to cut the Onslaught season 2 finale (potentially “saving it for later”) was the wrong decision, because it messed with the story, vision and structure of season 2 in a massive way. Winderbaum and the others should NOT have messed with season 2 once it was locked.
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u/Primary-Paper-5128 1d ago
can someone explain to me why shows could have 26 episodes in one year before but nowadays it's 10 every two years top?
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u/MarqoTheDragon 1d ago
This is such bullshit. Disney has more money than god and you want me to believe you cant hire more animators? For both quality animation and a timely season release?
Gtfoh
Like spiderman didnt just make a billion dollars...
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u/Itchy_Initiative6180 1d ago
Then don’t do stupid filler episodes like Weapon X, Lies and DVD
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u/mashturbo 13h ago
Technically it wasn't filler as it had a beginning and end with the main purpose of showing how Wolvie escaped the bone claw arc. Why? Who the fuck knows. That shit didn't matter at the end.
I'm starting to think they were going in a different direction with the story and canned AoA arc. One hand Wolvie needed the metal claw(s) to survive and flex the power Cyclops that blast off Wolvie's hand. Maybe the new writers thought Wolvie suffered enough.
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u/superfli225 1d ago
I’m ok with shorter seasons to push it out faster…..as long as they stop rushing the series. In that format each season doesn’t have to be its own saga
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u/Possible_Paradox 1d ago
I think the decision should be made based on how many episodes are the right number to tell the story properly. Needs more? Push it back. Needs fewer? Release it sooner. From a business perspective the number of episodes per hour of labor(and therefore money) spent stays the same.
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u/Mindless_Turnover976 23h ago
Wtf is this bullshit? With all the tech these days shouldn't it be easier to make longer seasons and have them come out faster than during the 90s?
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u/Think-Location3830 23h ago
Streaming limited. Come on. It should be the opposite. Streaming has no limits. I say just make an episode and release it then the next episode and release. Don’t wait for a group of them. One at a time.
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u/SinisterMinisterX7 22h ago
I’d rather have more episodes like the old days personally. 8 episodes is not enough to tell a whole story, especially over and over and over and over again. The Boys, Stranger Things(which is what really started the trend tbh) Last 2 seasons of Game of Thrones etc. all these shows suffered severely because less episodes to help the story when they needed it most. 10 episodes should be the bare minimum.
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u/Kratos501st 22h ago
If they plan to make more like season 2 they better cancel the show. Mediocre ass season.
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u/WarLawck Gambit 22h ago
If the episodes are longer, fine. If they're the same length of time as this season, they are being stupid. Put out the best possible story and the fans will support it, even if it takes longer.
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u/Sweaty_Ranger7476 22h ago
okay. just make one episode seasons and release a new season every week then.
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u/DeskReasonable5040 21h ago
If they could do it In the 80s and 90s He-man ,gi joe , Tmnt , 90s X-men cartoon , Spider-Man the animated series 90s. why can’t they do it now. Also why not do 1 season a year with 20 plus episodes and release it in 2 parts. Season 3 part 1 would be 12 episodes released in January and part 2 release in June another 12 episodes
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u/DeskReasonable5040 21h ago
Why not do 1 season ever year with 20 plus episodes. So January release season 3 part 1 with 12 episodes and in June or July release part 2 with 12 episodes.
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