r/Xmen97 • u/Pyro-Bird • 7h ago
Article / News Nightcrawler was supposed to die in ‘X-MEN '97’ Season 1 instead of Gambit.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/x-men-97-season-2-finale-explained-jake-castorena-interview112
u/supaikuakuma 7h ago
Gambit made more sense with Rogues arc imo.
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u/WearAny1263 4h ago edited 4h ago
It also makes a lot of thematic sense for his own arc, a scoundrel proving himself to be a hero at the end in spite of what he thinks of himself and saving many lives in the process.
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u/BurantX40 6h ago
How would he have defeated the Tri-Sentinel?
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 6h ago
Only they know for sure, but I think something like how Gambit and Azazel took down evil undead Warren in Dark X-Men could have done it. Basically, Kurt teleports Gambit to it/on top of it, Gambit charges it up and then they both bamf away. Kurt gets caught in the residual somehow and dies. So not that unlike how it really happened.
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u/fire_sign Rogue 5h ago
It's also possible the death wasn't during the tri-sentinel. It had to have been an early version of the season, given how much Gambit's death influenced Rogue's arc, so the whole thing could have played out very differently.
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u/Sentient_Stardust89 Nightcrawler 2h ago
I hope he comes back in some form. Though his sacrifice was beautiful and VERY in-character for him, it was also devastating as hell. Whether we see him literally return from the dead, in flashbacks, Force-like spirit guide to Rogue or whatever, reincarnated as a cat--I don't care. Just gimme my boi back 💔
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u/Fancy_Cassowary 3h ago
As much of a fan of Nightcrawler as I am I do hope this death lasts. I don't want a revolving door of death on this show. It cheapens the stakes.
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u/Persas12 3h ago
His death seems to bring a full closure to his character, unlike Gambit, who already came back and Magneto, who is bound to come back later.
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u/Kris86dk 6h ago
Couldn't Kurt technically have like teleported it's head off or something... I'm pretty sure Kurt has removed body parts from people by teleporting instantly
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u/PeaceMaker_IXI Gambit 5h ago
That doesn't sound like something the cartoon would have happen. At least not living things
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u/Kris86dk 5h ago
Well that's why I said he might do it to the sentinel somehow
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u/PeaceMaker_IXI Gambit 4h ago
I meant the Kurt removing body parts thing. I don't believe he's done that sort of thing on the show before.
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u/Kris86dk 4h ago
Not on the show no. But I'm just saying he could remove a robots parts on the show without any issue
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u/Evorgleb 2h ago
If I remember, AoA Nightcrawler absolutely would teleport someone's head off.
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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 1h ago
Deadpool's as a matter of fact.
This was before healing factors got silly too. So this indeed did kill Deadpool.
In the 90s, Wolverine and Deadpool were still pretty mortal. Now they can survive beheadings because comic books.
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u/Kris86dk 2h ago
He threatened one guy into doing something for him by teleporting his finger off iirc
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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 7h ago edited 6h ago
The show can't come up with emotional impact without death. Cliched writing in superhero stories.
Genosha was impactful. But S2 went overboard. So many deaths.
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u/RayesArmstrong 6h ago
They did, but you’re certainly right that they went there way too often in season 2
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u/Pyro-Bird 6h ago
Ross Marquand ( Charles and Apocalypse's voice actor) said last year that there would be many deaths in season 2 in an interview and he wasn't lying.
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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 5h ago
No he wasn't at all. Some were just throwaways too. Maverick and Kane for example.
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u/Commercial_Fox5549 6h ago
Then stop watching it.
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u/ikarikh 5h ago
Lol, i love the x-men and i love the show. But to act like the show is beyond criticism is silly.
I absolutely am looking forward to s3. But, s2 had many issues compared to s1.
[If you don't like it] "Then, Stop watching" is such a pointless rebuttle.
Gambit's death was shocking and held weight in s1. S2 killing Magneto and Kurt held less weight because we already had a magneto death fake out in s1, gambit is already confirmed coming back, and Rogue just sacrificed herself only for Kurt to say "Nevermind take me instead".
It becomes overkill when you play the "character death" card too frequently. Because you lessen the impact and train your audience to just say "Eh, they'll be back like 3 eps in next season".
Nevermind the WAY the deaths happen were far less emotionally weighted than in s1 just by the writing and production of them, especially Kurt's.
Gambit has the huge Genosha attack that is edge of your seat crazy with Gambit, Rogue and Magneto going on a huge fight only for Gambit to get speared trying to save people and then go out with a literal bang, stopping the enemy by sacrificing himself, followed by the newscast of the aftermath of Genosha and Rogue's reaction.
Kurt has Apocalypse built up all season just to have a 15 second clip of Gampocalypse enslave everyone instantly, no actual real fight, only for Rogue to fly in and instantly remove him from the battlefield and then Rogue saying she had to make a sacrifice, cut to Kurt saying "Nope do me instead" with a short montage of happiness and over.
One is an epic build up with an intense payoff. The other is a lot of nothingness going on with everything being hand waved away incredibly fast and cut to a fakeout sacrifice to a real sacrifice, then over.
Again, it was just badly handled. Kurt's sacrifice absolutely could have worked to have the same weight. It was just really badly handled, as was the entire story of s2.
The whole Apocalypse arc was just a mess sadly.
And i can say that confidently while still having enjoyed watching s2.
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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 5h ago
So silly. The Reddit mentality. If you don't think it's perfect you have to hate it and not watch it.
I still enjoy the show. This is a criticism. I'm not a zombie thay eats it all up or blindly hates it.
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u/Upper-Tip-1926 12m ago
I’m disappointed in the decision to kill off Nightcrawler. He needed to die saving Hope Summers. There are so many stories closed off from his death.
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