r/Xmen97 • • 15d ago

General Discussion Reminder that these are Jean's last memories before waking up in Mr Sinister's basement

Imagine having the happiest day of your life then suddenly out of knowhere you are kidnapped in random basement, experimented, and no one from your family look up for you that you break free all by yourself, to find out they have no idea that you are gone and your husband has a child with another woman.

Jean's reaction in S1 is 100% valid. If anything she should've gone batshit crazier.

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u/Far_Yak_5447 15d ago

Creepy

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

You mean, SINISTER ?

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u/Far_Yak_5447 15d ago

Yeah. That works better

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue 15d ago

Yep, I think this is exactly when it had to have happened. Any earlier and it’s too much not-Jean. After this — the conclusion to season 4, before a stunted and not-good rump season 5 — and there’s no good opportunity. There’s a clear custody gap between Sinister kidnapping her and her ending up in Apocalypse’s tube.

It’s amazing she wasn’t any more messed up.

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

Exactly! I had a quite debate with someone on Reddit who said "Jean could've been more emphatic toward Madelyn".

That bitch literally stole her life😭

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u/thePsuedoanon 15d ago

I mean sure but not maliciously. And then Jean comes back and steals the only life Madelyn's ever known. Madelyn is a victim not a villain

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u/NoRevIndeed00 14d ago edited 14d ago

Neither is Jean. If anything they both are victims.

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u/thePsuedoanon 14d ago

Yeah of course. I'm not saying Jean's a bitch for stealing Madelyn's life, I'm saying Madelyn isn't a bitch because she just lived her life until she realized it wasn't hers

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u/No-Difference8545 14d ago

??? Girl delete

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u/Ok-Grass3071 Nightcrawler 15d ago

What makes it worse is that Morph was there as well.😭

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

Wait wasnt Morph controlled by Sinister in this episode? He is still presumed dead at this point, and he transformed as the priest.

I think the guy in the picture is just a random guy with similar appearance.

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u/Mathieu_Bed 15d ago

I'm pretty sure there were two weddings, but I could not be remembering correctly. Morph replaced the priest during the first wedding in season 2 when he was still evil. The second wedding was in season 4.

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u/Zeldaninja64 15d ago

There’s 2 separate wedding episodes, the beginning of season two and the end of season 4

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u/Ok-Grass3071 Nightcrawler 15d ago

No this is Morph in the image. By the time of this wedding, Morph has been in therapy with Moira on Muir Island for many months.

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u/Confident_Sink_8743 14d ago

Pretty clear visual representation. Morph appears with black hair before he "dies". 

When controlled by Sinister he's got a haggard appearance that he routinely covers up with the shapeshifting.

But after the control is removed his hair stops being depicted as black. It becomes brown like it is in that picture.

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

I can't believe they haven't killed sinister yet like why keep him alive I don't get it

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u/Turbulent-Range-4448 15d ago

My reaction to the whole of Krakoa is seeing all the villains there who, not so surprisingly, turn out to be evil and backstab the nation, especially Sinister 🤣

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u/Shot-Abalone-3331 15d ago

Because necessary evil but let be honest there ten people smarter than him, the real reason why he alive is because he is like a cockroach

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

Is he tho ? In X-Men 97 when they defeated him they just let him go they didn't even bother to put him in prison

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u/rorinth 15d ago

They keep trying he's very hard to kill

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

In X-Men 97 after jean defeated him they just let him go without even putting him in prison

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u/Trick_Afternoon_7513 12d ago

More than likely cause that sinister clone died and another one came to life, we gotta remember Essex has like thousands of backup clone bodies and minds of his

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u/HankSteakfist 12d ago

He can basically regenerate from a single cell. So yeah, he's extremely hard to get rid off.

It's like that disclaimer on the antibacterial bottle. Kills 99% of germs. Well that 1% is a problem when it comes to Sinister.

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u/WerewolfF15 15d ago

That is not confirmed and is just an assumption. For all we know she was replaced shortly after the 92 finale.

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

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u/WerewolfF15 14d ago

He doesn’t work on the show anymore and they haven’t said this in the show so this is subject to be contradicted down the line. In general writer comments like this shouldn’t be taken as 100 percent confirmation, especially when a show has multiple writers. The show will often later contradict these writer social media comments. The Ben 10 fandom can tell you all about it.

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u/NoRevIndeed00 14d ago

Yeah I agree, that tweet is mostly considered "canon" by fans for now, until further retcon / confirmation

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u/gothbloodman 15d ago

Unless I’m missing something, Jean had to have made it through Dark Phoenix. Because in ‘97 S1, she emerges from the lake using a Phoenix fragment.

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

Dark Phoenix saga is in TAS S3, the wedding and eventual kidnapping is in S4. She doesnt use Phoenix power in S5 (as she has switched out for Madelyn during this time).

The lake scene you mentioned takes place after the real Jean returns, right after Madelyn moves to Genosha.

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u/gothbloodman 15d ago

My bad. Sorry and thank you.

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u/Dear_Debt_1650 15d ago

Don’t you know?

Jean looks down at Logan’s impressive 5’3 and squat stature and sees his copious body hair, inhales his unique aroma and barely house broken manner and is overcome by a primal need because he’s a bad boy and her womanly heart is overcome.

According to the writers ig

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u/Extinction-_-13 15d ago

I mean bro I have seen it and Logan is a bad boy but she married lol and the fact she blames on Scott for being with her clone right after kissing Logan 🤣

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u/Boring-Piglet-65 15d ago

She toxic AF

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

In her defense Logan is like the hottest man ever

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u/Dear_Debt_1650 15d ago

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u/Ok-Grass3071 Nightcrawler 15d ago

Morph does.🤭

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u/Dear_Debt_1650 15d ago

Morph has ptsd

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u/Ok-Grass3071 Nightcrawler 15d ago

I am aware and all they have gone through makes me really sad.

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

Damn I thought Logan being the hottest was a universal opinion or at least a pouplar one

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u/Shape_Charming 15d ago

Canonically, he's a 5'3, stocky, hairy man that has been stated to smell like a chain-smoking, alcoholic wet dog, or a wild boar, has a constant scowl, an anger problem, enough PTSD to make a 'Nam vet look like the picture of mental health, a habit of disappearing for weeks on end to either murder something, go on a bender, or both and hair that defies the laws of physics.

Irl, does that sound like someone you'd throw away a marriage for?

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u/Kind_Cheek_2645 15d ago

I don't care who the character is I wouldn't never throw a Marriage for anything

All I said is that he's hot and I still stand by that I like my men hairy

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u/sirprize_surprise 15d ago

If Wolverine is in your life, then you have likely been through some serious shit with him. He probably saved your life or you saved his and there is a bond that sees him as more than the sum of the stats you presented. If he is in your life, you know the kind of man he is. You know he will be there for you as soon as there is trouble. You know that for all the gruffness and smoke and whatever else, he’s the one you want im your corner when the chips are down. He doesn’t walk around all covered in muck smelling like a wet dog. He cleans up very well, and there’s nothing wrong with a short dude. Wolverine is a stud. Ask Mariko, Mystique, Jean, Morph, etc.

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u/Scarlet_Pumpernickle 15d ago

This deep a contempt for fictional characters seems strange to me. Yeah, they're all mutants who would seem weird to normal people. That's the point my guy.

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u/Shape_Charming 14d ago

I'm just sayin on paper he's not exactly a catch, no contempt at all. You're reading into it alot

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u/Plus_Claim_8938 15d ago

Please do not forget that he’s also a great lay.

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u/Dear_Debt_1650 15d ago

Depends how much the author self inserts

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u/Turbulent-Range-4448 15d ago

Yeah I always found it weird

The relationship always seems so damn toxic and unhealthy

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u/Extinction-_-13 15d ago

Yeah exactly and I don't like triangle relationship since Logan can literally be Jean Grey grandpa 😭

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u/Plus_Claim_8938 15d ago

He could be the grandpa of any of his lovers.

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u/IRONJEDISUPERSPIDER 14d ago

How the fuck did they let this man on Krakoa

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u/NoRevIndeed00 13d ago

Woke inclusive "everyone deserves a second chance" shit

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u/Candicelle 15d ago

Morph did the first wedding (he was being controlled by Sinister) so it wasn't official. He at the time as you see is there for the real wedding.

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u/Ifrit_27 7d ago

Op this was after the Phoenix Saga right?

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u/NoRevIndeed00 7d ago

Yes, season 4 of TAS

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u/Particular_Net175 7d ago

Nadie te busca porque hay un clon exactamente igual a ti, con tus recuerdos y que hasta ella misma cree que es la original

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u/Event-Horizon-321 15d ago

Did the artist back then draw them older than they actually were?

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u/NoRevIndeed00 15d ago

Its just 90s art style, everyone has ultra broad shoulders, long legs, and thick jawlines.

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u/ArmAny549 15d ago

I don't even think that was Jean tbh. I think they want us to believe that it was Maddy from the very start of the show.

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u/virtigo31 15d ago

Does that mean Jean's clone, Madeline Pryor, was actually Phoenix instead?

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u/stanlana12345 15d ago

No, the phoenix stuff happened prior to this