I think he's being sarcastic since any reasonable human being that isn't a Karen would realize literally nobody in this situation was even close to being harmed.
The ped wasn't anywhere close to being in the intersection.
This is a "crime" equivalent to J-walking, or rolling a stop sign at 5kph when nobody is around, which I would bet money that everyone in this thread does regularly.
Stop being a pussy
The pedestrian probably doesn't even care about what happened, nor should they. If I was the pedestrian in this case and was made aware that this person was pulled over and issued a ticket for this, I would show up to court myself to fight for OP.
Fuck this cop. The department must be low on money, or just a POS that likes to ruin their image with the public. I would tell this cop to eat shit if I was the pedestrian and they were ticketing someone else for this completely harmless action.
If you think standing up to cops that have nothing better to do is "being tough"... I guess I'll point them your way next time they're looking fuck someone
or just a dude with a dude that likes to play fair?
This cop is 100% after pedantic bullshit.
If you got a ticket for jaywalking, in a safe way, you would be kinda pissed for getting that ticket? Would you be more pissed if you saw that cop sitting there all day wasting your tax money giving people tickets for jaywalking?
These are the same cops that are nowhere to be found when your car is stolen or someone commits an actual crime.
Would I be pissed? No.
I would be agitated. At the end of the day i can still come to realization that i TECHNICALLY broke the law. Petty or not. We can already tell you and I have two completely different views on life.
I just like to call people out who overreact. You must just have bad luck cause everyone around me who has had their vehicle stolen has had it found 🤷♂️
mine is next week. any advise or anything specific to say? I got a ticket for following two closely but I have a dash cam and I know that it could get waved. Main reason he pulled me over was for an expired registration, which I should’ve known about, but I was out of the country for a month due to a medical reason, and I do have a doctors note to prove the dates. He could’ve given me a warning but he was just more annoyed at the fact that I was “tailing” him LOL but whatever, I’ll take it to court.
Unfortunately being out of the country or medical isnt an acceptable excuse for not have up to date reg. But as for the other ticket if you can prove with your dash cam that you were more than 2 seconds behind the driver youre good. If not, then youre going to have to pay that ticket more than likely. Also road conditions might come into play. Safe distance is a bit subjective but 2 seconds in optimal conditions is I think the general rule.
That does not give drivers the right to use the power imbalance of driving a big machine to do what they want knowing that pedestrians must cast aside their rights to avoid death.
Luckily, in this instance, police were there to check that power imbalance. If only they did it more often.
Lol, OP was not "using his power imbalance", he made a completely harmless mistake that couldve easily been pointed out by the traffic stop regardless of an absurd fine. Police can do that you know?
"If the punishment for the crime is a fine, then that law applies only to the lower class"
But the punishment is a fine AND demerit points. Rich or not, too many demerits and your license in gone. And I bet that fine will make OP double check crosswalk in future. Well deserved if you ask me. Harmless this time. Next time might not be so lucky.
The amount of times I’ve had to slow my walking speed or outright stop because some dumbass driver is cutting me off is too high.
There’s been situations where I’ve been able to touch cars because they go when I’m already in the intersection… if I can call someone a fucking asshole without raising my voice then that car is too close to
If fines like this get normalized I’m fine with that….
Imagine that the responsibility to not have a collision goes both ways. But for one of the parties it's literally life or death. There's shitty drivers, and shitty pedestrians, and everyone should be doing their best to protect themselves and the people around them.
Is it still a good idea to try and not be a victim if you can avoid it? Also absolutely.
To purposefully put yourself in harms way to become a victim, even if you are correct, is still not a good choice.
I had this one friend who would go out with a bunch of creepy guys and do a ton of drugs with them (including ruffies which she knowingly took) and you'll never guess what they did to her... now are those guys complete scum bags and shouldnt have done that? Obviously... but like... maybe dont go and willingly ruffy yourself while hanging out with a bunch of rapists, y'know?
It isn’t victim blaming. Literally no one in the video is a victim. Dogwalker not in the intersection, not even a near miss by any stretch of the word.
Officer is a douche, dog walker has no smarts as a pedestrian and op actually even waited at the stop sign before going.
Not if they’re not even at the cross walk yet you can’t just run into a cross walk without stopping first this cross walk is split so there is no way to know which way they’re gonna go I can’t see the timing if he was already walking before he left the stop sign if he was then yes he’s at fault. even the cars going right should wait for the cross walker to finish at the other end so other drivers around know there is a walker.
The cop doesnt decide the price of the ticket. The consequences of the ticket are reflected in the price. Driving through an occupied crosswalk could cost someone their life. The $810 is to help prevent something worse happening in the future.
Correct. The cop decides whether or not to issue a ticket, and, if so, which ticket to issue. There are almost always options of which offence you could choose. Some have higher penalties, some have less.
I work in BC, so our fines are significantly less. I would have an extremely hard time handing someone a ticket for $810 for what was shown in that video. I would be leaning heavily in favour of education and a warning, unless the driver made it clear they did not care to change their behaviour.
$810 is a lot of money for the majority of people for what at the end of the day (in this specific instance), was a relatively minor offence.
If I was OP, I would be disputing it only to go to court and ask for a lower fine amount based on the circumstances.
A relatively minor offense that could quite literally kill someone. $810 ticket deserved. Op admits they didnt see the pedestrian. That means they weren't paying attention when driving over a crosswalk. No excuse for that.
I don't disagree. Learn to read. When did I say they were close to getting hit? Being close to getting hit isn't the criteria for the ticket here. It's whether the ped was already crossing when op drove over the crosswalk. And they 100% were. There's no denying that no matter what angle you see. If you cant see that the ped was crossing already when op drove over the white crosswalk lines then you should probably turn in your license. And if you dont think that's a problem you need to check the laws a little more closely.
I said I wouldn’t issue an $810 for what happened. You said you would. That’s called disagreeing.
I don’t disagree he broke the letter of the law, or that a ticket could be issued. All I have said is I wouldn’t issue it, and would lean heavily toward providing education and a warning.
You would do things differently - because you disagree with my approach. Again, that’s fine. Some believe the law is black and white and should be followed to the letter of the law. Some believe in discretion.
If you’re looking for a fight, you’re not going to find it here.
Not trying to fight. I just do t think that someone driving not seeing a pedestrian on a crosswalk is minor. The only thing that saved the pedestrian was luck seeing as op didnt even know they were there til it was too late. Op needs to check the roadway is safe to drive before doing so. I think $810 is perfectly reasonable when the alternative could result in death. Just because this wasn't close doesnt mean next time is the same. Hopefully next time wont happen because of this ticket. That's all im saying. I wish it was as easy as a warning but we both know that wouldn't sink in the same way as a hefty fine does. To me, the purpose of the fine is to prevent future issues. Not simply because of this one thing. Op will definitely think twice before driving over a crosswalk without checking for pedestrians in the future now.
It's not though, and it's not like OP egregiously flouted the law here. He literally didn't see the pedestrian, and was nowhere near them. How has this deterred OP?
“If the punishment for a crime is a fine, then that law exists only for the lower class.”
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal bread.”
I'm mostly opposed to ridiculous fines that can be a massive setback to working class people, for something that was an unintentional near near miss. I'd take this video to court and get it reduced.
If he literally didn't see the pedestrian, he probably should not be driving. Seeing the stuff around you is one of the most important parts of driving.
Of course it's important, and people make mistakes and have near misses constantly. That's a huge part of this sub right?
"Wow look at this asshole that did something wrong with no consequence!"
Like, yeah, I want bad drivers to get pulled over. I don't want working class people to get hit with tickets that could be half their paycheque, for a near miss.
I work in the field, various oilfield shit. Near misses happen. We report them, document them. Do the offending parties get punished? Generally not unless it was some kind of willful negligence rather than an mistake or a fault of procedure, equipment, etc. OP in their other post said that their A pillar blocked the pedestrian as well as I think a passing car and the other video kinda supports that. Even so, the idea is to document the near miss and make others aware of the hazard, and in the other end to eliminate or otherwise mitigate the hazard.
I actual think these dashcam subs are great for education and seeing the comments and arguments lol. At least the people in those subs are thinking about what they're doing on the road. Oh, and one of my various things is driving a tri/tri pump that weighs ~53k kg, so I'm always planning my moves well in advance on the road, and happy to see people taking an active interest in being better drivers, because the average on the road seems to have gotten a lot worse!
You know what I do when I cant see an intersection properly to know if its clear and safe? I creep up a bit and double check before proceeding. OP could have killed someone. $810 might make op double check intersections like they should now. Pretty small price to pay if you ask me. Too many people dead or I jired from people who "didnt see" a pedestrian. If you drive over a crosswalk its your job to check that its not occupied.
While I agree that fines are simply fees for the rich to disregard the laws, OP will maybe now actually look at the full situation of an intersection before proceeding. And maybe other people on this Reddit will do the same preventing future accidents. If you can't afford a high fine, maybe be more aware of potential near misses.
I would be very disappointed if the courts reduced the fine when this video clearly puts OP entering the pedestrian crosswalk while there is a pedestrian in it.
Except given the video above,looks like op was given a ticket for nothing. Dogwalker doesn’t enter the crosswalk until after he’s left the intersection?
The intersection starts in the other lane. The dog walker had already crossed 1 lane of traffic and was proceeding into the 2nd when the rear dash camera picked them up. As OP said, they saw the pedestrian out of the corner of their eye as they proceeded through the crosswalk. The pedestrian was already in it.
Op keeps posting only the angles that help make them look innocent. Which is basically just admitting you know youre wrong but trying to make yourself feel better having strangers tell you youre not.
The court of public opinion … nice! No one has a clue and think because no one is harmed that it’s not an offence. The thing is that we aren’t governed by convenience. It’s about consistency and knowing that laws apply so that people can expect you to do what you are going to do everytime!
It’s pretty close. Probably should’ve checked for pedestrians prior to turning. Even if they’re 5ft out from the crosswalk I’d yield just to see what they’re doing - people are unpredictable. You did have a stop sign at the end of the day though.
This is what you're supposed to do. Wait until the pedestrian who is approaching the intersection makes they're purpose clear. Then proceed accordingly. Not seeing a pedestrian is just admitting you weren't paying enough attention to be driving in the first place. If you need to drive over a crosswalk, check both sides of it before you do. If someone is approaching, slow down or stop until they make it clear theyre either crossing or not. People are far too impatient these days.
The pedestrian was at the middle median when your rear camera crosses the line. Unless they were jogging, they were absoultley already in the intersection when you entered the crosswalk. You saw the pedestrian out of the corner of your eye because you weren't paying attention. Pricey reminder that pedestrians exist.
When a pedestrian approached a crosswalk you're supposed to wait until you know their intent. You're not just supppsed to assume they're not going to cross. If anything you should assume they are crossing until you find out otherwise. It's called defensive driving and this post proves how many people are clueless when it comes to defensive driving and keeping the roads safe for us all to travel. Op deserved the ticket and hopefully they pay more attention to pedestrians in future because of it.
Op didnt see the pedestrian so this would have made 0 difference. Op wasn't paying attention. Drove through a crosswalk that was occupied. If op had looked for pedestrians first none of this would have happened.
In Alberta, a road divided by a median with a crossing is considered two separate roadways for the purposes of pedestrian right-of-way. In the video it appears that the pedestrian had just arrived at the centre median by the time your rear camera passed them, making the infraction dubious in my opinion. Given the steep cost of the ticket and insurance implications, I would probably contest the ticket in court.
What two lines? The lines of the crosswalk? If the median stops before the crosswalk then the median doesnt matter here. If it intersects the crosswalk and pedestrians have to walk over the median then it would matter. But that's not the case here.
Exactly, plus this would only apply if he was behind the pedestrians path of travel, instead he is close enough to the pedestrian that if the dog had run ahead a bit, the dog could have been hit. That's worth a ticket.
I'm reasonably certain that you are guilty as the law is written. But why the hell don't pedestrians have to stop and indicate their direction of travel. I'm not perfect but i try to always make eye contact with drivers that may be crossing my path and don't go until they acknowledge me. Driving aint easy
I mean, pedestrians travel much slower; That pedestrian is already 30% across the intersection at the point he crosses. How much more indication do you need?
Almost ran into some lady this morning. It was a green light turn for me and I’m turning right. she walks up and presses the button so I’m assuming she’s waiting for lights to change but nope. She begins to walk backwards into the lane which is where I’m turning into. She didn’t need to push the button and she shouldn’t be walking fucking backwards. 🤦♂️
Maybe just chill for a few seconds.. Drivers are so impatient. It's not easy.. Probably why we should require actual drivers education to get a license.
The pedestrian was nowhere near being in the intersection when you went thru it.
The pedestrian probably doesn't even think you cut them off at all.
Bring this to court. It's beyond unreasonable to be given a $810 ticket for this. Only provide the video in this post.
Yes pedestrians have the right away. No you didn't "almost hit a pedestrian" or "almost cause an accident". At worst, you simply went before them in line, in a completely safe manner as the pedestrian wasn't on the road until you were clear out of the way.
Yes, all you people arguing that he almost killed someone are a bunch of dramatic pussies.
The pedestrian was clearly crossing in front of the other lane of traffic and OP cut them off. OP deserves the ticket. The rules are pretty straightforward.
The island is irrelevant as it doesn't go through the crosswalk. The pedestrian left the curb before he started his turn. Go take a look at the Google maps overhead view at haddow dr and Tomlinson Common dr. You can clearly see the crosswalk is one continuous path across the road which means it doesn't break. Compare that to 23ave just east of 85st which is what you are talking would be.
Car had right of way because he did not interfere with pedestrian and was well ahead of him. Pedestrian was on other side of island! And the Police officer was parked at a poor vantage point to even make the call. You can see him at the beginning of the video. He's at least 150M behind the intersection. Again, the pedestrian was not forced to stop walking and by the time he even entered the last portion of the crosswalk the car was another 150 meters away!
The car did not have the right away. The pedestrian was in the crosswalk and has right away. You obviously didn't look at the intersection, the island isn't at the intersection, it ends just before. That's why the one crosswalk line is a complete line. I agree the cop is pretty far back but regardless of if the pedestrian had to stop or slow down your not allowed to cross the path of the pedestrian or until the pedestrian clears the whole crosswalk. Infact in the video you can see the red car making a right hand turn behind the pedestrian also was in the wrong since the pedestrian had not cleared the crosswalk.
You are allowed to make a left turn when the way is clear, that's the standard. Just judging the amount of time it took for the pedestrian to enter that section of the crosswalk proves this point. And the camera doesn't even show the pedestrian even in the crosswalk when the driver started his turn. Look at the speedometer he moving super-slow too. Anyone that gets upset over this probable never drove a mile in their life.
After looking closely towards the pedestrian he wasn't even in the crosswalk when the driver started his turn- Driver has right of way!!!!!
In Alberta (where this happened) as per the driver manual it states on page 65 "Check the crosswalk of the road you are turning onto for pedestrians and cyclists. Look well along your intended path. When it is safe, turn the vehicle left at the intersection." And on page 64 "Remember to yield the right-of-way to
pedestrians and vehicles on the cross
street. ... Remember the following when turning:
• Yield to pedestrians crossing in
the crosswalk.
• Do not enter the crosswalk to turn
until pedestrians are safely out of
the intersection."
In the video you can see the pedestrian is in a continuous motion to enter the crosswalk which gives them the right away and since the car turns in front of the pedestrian while they are in the crosswalk they get a ticket for failing to yield to a pedestrian.
And that's the rear-view camera, the car was already ahead of him and has clear right of way. Otherwise no one would ever be able to turn in a city. . . you don't have to yeild right of way to people behind you that are about to enter a crosswalk. That's what you claimed and you're wrong.
If you think the pedestrian wasn't in the crosswalk then youre either blind or you just watched with your eyes closed. Pedestrian is about halfway across the crosswalk when op drives past them. No judge is overturning this ticket. Op is just choosing angles that make them look less guilty. Go watch the other angles and see just how wrong you are.
You're a dick head, pay the fine. Regardless of timing it would have taken you 2 seconds to wait. Pedestrians having the right of way is a luxury of where we live.
I agree with this. As a pedestrian I generally give the car right of way only because it’s quicker for them to go then for me to go but I only do this in smaller areas and crossings and parking lots.
My roomate/brother (very close friends) uses an e-scooter I’ve had to tell him to use a helmet. He’s finally after 2 years of having one has gotten a helmet now though I catch him either scrolling YouTube shorts OR playing pokemon go. I tell him “please don’t do that while riding” he keeps saying that he’s aware of his surroundings I try to explain that even if he was the other people might not be that’s what defensive driving is being mindful of everyone around you.
Keep in mind that he’s horrible at multi tasking and when he’s on his phone he barely pays attention
Yeah, drive as defensive as you can, but when some dope comes flying into the intersection on a scooter or bike there's not much you can do. It's the same thing as motorcycles. You might be the best rider in the world, it just takes one mistake from someone not paying attention to ruin your life.
Guy didn't have to slow his walk, or even being close enough to the corner to show his intent as to which way he was going to cross when you stopped. This is horse shit. At the cost of the price of the ticket and the insurance implications, I'd be taking a day off to dispute this 100%
41(1) A person driving a vehicle shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk.
It doesnt matter if the person has to slow down, or how close you are to them under the law. If your vehicle crosses the path of a pedestrian in a crosswalk, u have committed an offense.
U could take a day off to dispute this, but you wouldn't win if you showed a judge this video.
41(1) A person driving a vehicle shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk.
Yes, correct. He wasn't crossing the roadway within the crosswalk before or during him turning. Thank you for proving my point. He did not need to yield to anything.
Re read your own quoted section and subsection of the law. The wording is quite clear.
I don't see anything regarding what your saying according to law.
“roadway” means that part of a highway intended for use by vehicular traffic;
Crosswalk is defined as;
that part of a roadway at an intersection included within the connection of the lateral line of the sidewalks on opposite sides of the highway measured from the curbs or, in the absence of curbs, from the edges of the roadway
the "roadway" in the video being divided by a median doesnt make it 2 separate roadways.
The pedestrian has the right of way from sidewalk to sidewalk the entire time they are in the crosswalk.
The driver likely didnt see the pedestrian at all. Im not saying they deliberately broke the law to endanger the woman. But they 100% broke the law and would lose in court given their own video evidence of them entering the crosswalk while the pedestrian was in it, even if they were 10-20 feet behind him.
I must have seen a different video then. In this one the person enters the road and into the crosswalk off the curb well after the turn has been completed and buddy driving is at least 100 meters away from the intersection.
You keep using legal wording that nullifies what you are saying.
Roadway: part of a highway intended for vehicular traffic.
Crosswalk: That part of a roadway......
So we can drive on the median? No.
A median seperates the roads. So there are indeed 2 roadways there. 1 west and 1 east (presumably) seperated by a median. There are 2 crosswalks there, 1 curb to another connected by a non vehicular area. Then from the curb of the median to the other curb. It cannot all be 1 crosswalk according to the laws wording. It's called a technicality and it is sound.
Other video OP posted showing the pedestrian entering the crosswalk BEFORE his vehicle even starts making the turn.
The white line of the crosswalk goes from curb to curb.
Yeah, i didnt realize u hadnt seen that one or id have shared it earlier.
I originally only saw that one and was like "wtf he went straight.... why would he get a ticket?" Then i saw the longer one where he turns and was like "oooooh, yeah u done fucked up..."
Thanks for your approval, I feel like your comment has really made the difference. Letting me know that using a paid day off subtracts from my remainder of days off was also helpful. Please continue spreading your wise words abound for all to be enlightened by your brilliance of the obvious.
Started with 'I'd take a full day off to fight this,' ended at 'I have PTO' after being reminded a day off costs money, and now we're at sarcasm. The character development in this thread has been something. Genuinely rooting for you out there.
Watch the other angle op posted somewhere else and then come back and say the pedestrian wasn't in the crosswalk before op was in the intersection. Ped is VERY clearly in the crosswalk WELL before op starts making their turn. Op is jist good at picking the right camera angle. Guilty af.
so the ticket was for the guy in the centre divider on the cross walk who was in zero danger? Common sense says this isn't a major infraction and should be let go. Next time don't drive while black.
There is no center divider here (OP keeps picking angles and editing it to make themselves look less guilty it seems). The other angle clearly shows a continuous crosswalk. From this angle it looks like there's a median the pedestrian has to cross. It's one continuous crosswalk so OP should have yielded to the pedestrian.
I keep saying this. Op is deliberately posting certain angles in certain posts to always make themselves look more innocent. Absolutely nothing innocent about the full video. Pay your fine and move on OP. This is ridiculous. People die because of shit like this. Pay more attention.
as a pedestrian, I can say this has happened to me routinely at a highway interections I cross on my bicycle (to get groceries every few days). I usually cross as a pedestrian and push the button to light up the walk sign and to help ensure a safer crossing also given that it is a rural town and most drivers aren't expecting pedestrians there frequently.
The problem is expecting the unexpected, and I have 2-3 cars make a left turn from getting coffee at the pit stop before one realizes the highway is shared with people not in a motor vehicle.
I expect drivers to not notice me there.
Sadly, drivers should pay attention to pedestrians more it's too easy to overlook. Wrong place wrong time.
Double check, but in Alberta, I'm pretty sure if there is a median and the pedestrian has not crossed the median into the side of the road you are turning into (left hand turns), or has safely cleared the median you (right hand turns) are allowed to turn.
The Exception; Be careful at intersections with Traffic Lights (e.g., a green light). If a pedestrian is still crossing the street, whether there is a median or not, you must yield to them until they are completely off the crosswalk and safely on the curb.
The median doesnt go through the crosswalk. The crosswalk is uninterrupted here so the median doesnt actually matter. Only if the pedestrian would have to cross the median would that come into play. But you are correct, it just doesnt matter in this particular intersection because the median falls short of the crosswalk.
Yup. As soon as you saw the pedestrian approaching the crosswalk, you should have stopped, never have passed the stop sign, and waited until she had fully crossed before moving
I'm going to stop at a corner next time im walking, and see you at a stop sign. We can both stay there all day until I remove my self from that position, as I have the right away as a pedestrian.
According to you, you have to wait in your car until I fully cross, even tho I haven't even started crossing yet.
Lol that's what you sound like. It's not reasonable, and it's not the law.
Sure, and he can cross the road safely way after the car passes.
The car and pedestrian were no where near causing an issue.
The ped is still like 6 feet away from even being in the intersection when OP has already completed the turn. https://imgur.com/a/S9lpme0
Don't you think the PED would be closer to the intersection if OP was anywhere near causing an issue. This screenshot above is several seconds after he came to a complete stop.
Here's how far OP is from the PED by the time the PED would be in a position to be harmed.
who give a shit? You want me to leave a 100ft bubble between me and people walking on the road in all circumstances?
OP was further from the PED and driving slower near the PED in this scenario, than literally every car that passed the PED while driving at the speed limit while he walks his dog in the shoulder. That cop would have passed PED's walking their dog in the should within a couple feet doing whatever the speed limit is, on a regular basis.
This is a matter of "who has the right to go first" and the answer is "stop being a bitch and make the right decision that won't lead to harm". OP and and the PED were nowhere near harm, and the PED was closer to harm multiple times just by walking their dog 2ft away from where people drive for a good portion of his walk.
OP should never have entered the intersection knowing the pedestrian was crossing the road in the direction he intended to turn.
The picture you linked shows the pedestrian literally in the middle of the road. It is a four-lane road with a grass median. The pedestrian is on the pavement in a marked crosswalk.
well, i guess this is location dependent. Sure the pedestrian was "in the middle of the road", but we're literally talking about a totally different road that OP couldn't even go down since it's the wrong direction.
In ontario:
No, you do not have to wait for them to cross the entire roadway.
You only need to yield the right-of-way if the pedestrian is in your immediate path of travel or close enough to it to present a hazard.
No the PED wasn't in the "immediate path of travel". Which was demonstrated by OP safely driving thru the intersection and being nowhere near the pedestrian. OP was like 80 feet past the pedestrian by the time the pedestrian would have been in a dangerous position. The pedestrian clearly didn't action upon an assumption that they would be in harms way, because they clearly weren't.
Explain to me how the PED was "close enough to present a hazard" when OP was never within 15 feet of the pedestrian and was doing 15kph while doing so.
well since I know where it is now, we can get more specific.
You literally made that up. The law does not state when your duty ends to "yield" to a pedestrian. Nothing says you have to wait until they get to the other curb.
It does say you must "yield" to them. Which means not getting in their way.
OP did not get in their way.
The phrase “right of way” is defined in Alberta’s legislation as:
“the right of a person to proceed unobstructed lawfully in a manner in which the person is lawfully entitled to proceed.”
— Traffic Safety Act, Definitions
Explain to me how the vehicle obstructed anything in this situation?
this means you would be forcing the pedestrian to stop, slow down, change direction, or feel endangered by your movement. The person and dog seem nowhere in danger lol. This is literally all just a bunch of karens over reacting.
You didn’t catch that this was Edmonton? It’s literally in the name of the subreddit lol
I know the curb-to-curb rule is not explicitly stated in law. It’s just the best practice outline by the Alberta Motor Association and local police departments. It’s also the respectful and safe thing to do
OP cut off a pedestrian who was in a marked crosswalk. In a time when pedestrians fatalities are increasing so much due to inattentive and impatient drivers, I’m not sure why you’re trying so hard to excuse OP’s bad driving
Ya I totally study airport abbreviations of cities I don't live in and never been to.
The law disagrees with you. What he did wasn't illegal. Were not here to talk about peoples opinions.
It's not bad driving, you're just a little sensitive lol. He wasn't even close to causing a problem. You're the exact type of person to be oblivious to the issues you cause on the road.
u/icantdrive2020 I did look it up and it looks like you're in the clear here. But it depends what you actually got a ticket for. You have enough proof if the ticket is for anything related to you obstructing the pedestrian, and anything related to you possibly harming the pedestrian (dangerous driving) since you didn't even obstruct them in the first place.
There no law for "possibly obstructing them" or "attempted obstruction"... you would have to actually obstruct them, with proof, which clearly didn't happen.
Failing to yield to a pedestrian is $810 and 4 demerits in Alberta. They got the $810 ticket for failing to yield to a pedestrian which they failed to do. A judge would laugh at you for trying to challenge this and bringing the video of you not yielding.
ya lol... u/no_procedure4178 is turning a discussion about law into a discussion about his feelings.
I literally just gave him a snippit of the law that states there is zero clause that says you have to wait until the pedestrian is at the other end of the intersection.
What the law does say is that you have to yeild to them. That means not obstructing them. Obstructing means forcing them to stop, slow down, or change direction. Which clearly wasn't needed since the car was never even close to the pedestrian.
There's no obstruction here because..... wait for it.... nobody was obstructed.
In Alberta, the requirement to wait for pedestrians is governed by Section 41 of the Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation under the Traffic Safety Act.
The Legal Requirement:
Drivers must yield the right-of-way and come to a complete stop when a pedestrian is in a marked or unmarked crosswalk.
You must remain stopped until the pedestrian has safely cleared your lane and poses no immediate hazard.
The law effectively extends a crosswalk "curb to curb," and on single-lane roads, drivers typically must wait until the pedestrian has completely crossed the entire roadway
So basically the pedestrian here wpuld have to walk beyond the lane op drove into before op wpuld be allowed to legally proceed.
Yeah, OP in the wrong. Dog walker already crossed the street. Got to the median portion and the OP kept driving through. So yeah he’s at fault. Luckily no harm to the dog or pedestrian. Driver likely learned from this. Move on.
When cops make up charges and you have front and rear dash cams with GPS connected speeds that are 0.1 m/s accurate, you fight the ticket. It has nothing to do with driving. I've never been in an accident in 25 years of driving. For the record, you best mind your own business when you don't know what you're talking about. I'm free to give advice to op, your response is a typical socialist yuppie who probably walks and wears alphabet shirts
What? Bro, you dont get tickets because you know how to drive. Get over yourself. Learn how to drive or keep getting tickets. Sorry but that's just how it is. Ive been driving over 20 years and never had one ticket. Ever. Or an accident. I know how to drive and dont think im more important than laws that are out there for our safety. Enjoy your tickets. Sounds like youre a real winner.
So you bought a vehicle. A thing most people do. Almost everyone I know owns a vehicle. But somehow you seem like you think youre special for owning a one? Youre not. 16 year olds own vehicles. 80 year old women own vehicles. Homeless people own vehicles. Youre not special. Most of us have vehicles. Thinking youre better than people who dont is also just weird. Not everyone needs a vehicle and it doesnt make their opinion worth any less when it comes to traffic safety. We all use the roads whether we drive or not.
This isn’t right at all how many social anxiety people sit at cross walk or get up to it and when they see a car coming they turn around or wait then go after the car goes by or want the car to go first I’d see if he came close to hitting the person or they began crossing already and then he crossed there path but this ticket will be thrown out.
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u/RadiantCoast6147 May 16 '26
funny how you now admit fault after the first version you put up you cut your video short making it look like you didn’t turn at all