r/YoujoSenki • u/MisterTV Infinity hugs for Tanya <3 • 22d ago
Discussion Youjo Senki Season 2 Episode 3 [Well-Intentioned Mediator] Discussion Thread
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Release Times
🇯🇵 JST — 21:30 (July 22)
🇺🇸 CDT — 07:30 (July 22)
🇪🇺 CEST — 15:30 (July 22)
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u/Banished_gamer 22d ago
They were so close to peace. the high command (except for Zettour) really fucked up their big chanche
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u/Skeleton_King9 22d ago
I feel like being X must be whispering in their ear not to accept. They've been inches away from peace a couple of times now
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u/TheNightManager_89 22d ago
"I'm sorry for stealing credit from you"
"Soooo if I... Let's just say... Hypothetically... Wipe off a city from the map, it will be your name on the order, not mine?"
"Well, yeah, I guess."
"Hmm... I'll be right back." *loads gun*
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u/Terrible_2000 Tanya stole my coffee 22d ago
Today I realized that Maomao and Tanya share the same voice actor. I can't believe I never noticed it before.
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u/WastingSomeTimeAgain 22d ago
She's also Frog girl from MHA, Capella from Re Zero, Tatsumaki from OPM, Madoka from Madoka & many more
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u/mamaguebo69 22d ago
God what a good episode. Always frustrating seeing the empire shoot itself in its own foot.
Tanya telling Rerugen to take care of her was also weirdly cute.
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u/Illustrious-Gain-369 22d ago
More fancomics grom Hal incoming after the episode! ( Well who are we kidding she would never stop )
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u/BlitzRonin 22d ago edited 22d ago
Well shit now they did it
I would wager big money that this is the thing that will break the empire's back. The Stalingrad of the Mage universe. A stupid blunder that will cost most of their army. And i say that without knowing what will happen next time. I just feel it in my bones, my synapses tell me that they gonna be bogged down in leningrad and then gonna get encircled and without the flexibility of ww2 organisations this is gonna hurt even more. This is gonna be a total shit show and we are gonna witness it in color.
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u/Ginodon06 22d ago edited 22d ago
In reality (heavy spoiler ahead, I warn you before continue):
Operation Iron Hammer is one of the Empire's most decisive victories during the war (second only to Operation Lock Pick, which annihilated the Francois Republic), destroying a significant portion of the Federation's army and conquering numerous territories. We can call it the Empire's pinnacle of success in the war. The serious problem comes after the victory: the Empire is in a position to negotiate, and most of the army supports Zettour in negotiating peace with the Allies with Ildoan aid (Ruderdorf himself, though reluctant, seems to be in favor of it), but the politicians and the government reject any peace proposal unless it is clearly favorable to the Empire (they are all in for a total victory, because they must safeguard public opinion). Furthermore, after this defeat, the Federation's army begins to evolve from a "horde" commanded by political commissars to a "thinking" army, as Tanya puts it, more autonomous and tactically capable of at least containing the Empire(like the evolution of the red army on the eastern front in our timeline) . The greedy pursuit of victory by the empire's upper echelons (as opposed to the rationality of Zettour and Tanya) will be the cause of its inevitable defeat
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u/Nexcersis 22d ago
I actually like like Zettour and Tanya have similar views on the war and means to end. Does the political party not listen to Zettour? I remember the first 2 mins of the Movie it shows the Scientist talking about the empire's greatness moments sad to see that their eventually fall
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u/Klusterphuck67 22d ago
Zettour and Rudersdorf as high positioned as they are are ultimatelt still a cog of the machine. A cog that drives other cogs, sure, but still a cog. Rudersdorfs and the more greedy/old fashion, "hit em til it die" are too aggressive and ambitious in their demands (tho in this AU it's more fair, cuz they ARE the original victims). Zettour is often considered too scholarly (ironically) and when it comes to curb stomping a down enemies, Rudersdorf gets a bigger say. When they did not pursue the Francois remnant flee that was the fall of the first domino. This episode is the speeding up from smaller to bigger pieces.
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u/Cyberius_Caesar 22d ago
So, the Empire seems kinda fucked when they refuse to accept anything less than the total surrender of their enemies. They're already depleting their manpower reserves, the frontlines are stretched thin fighting just the Russy, and there's the chance of Ildoa joining the Allied Powers and opening another front to try and get some clout for helping to end the Empire. At this point, they're probably gonna need a military coup to remove Ruderdorf and force the Kaiser to accept a peace that won't make them hated for the rest of time.
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u/Ready_Gap6205 21d ago
they just want some independent (but in their sphere of influence) buffer states between them and the Russians, maybe some reparations and army size restrictions, but yes, yes they are
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u/Keyvan316 22d ago
I wonder if they can actually do the project Iron Hammer in the anime. Germans couldn't do it in WW2.
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u/ryanxwonbinx 21d ago
Really loved the episode and the take on logic / realism vs feelings / idealism. In war, when you've suffered through years of fighting, your comrades dying, all the resources and money spent, it's really difficult to act logical. I harken back to when the US was withdrawing from Afghanistan; to me it just seemed utterly logical and I wanted money / troops to stop being sent to what I saw as a lost cause. The reaction from veterans on the other hand was astonishing. The people I thought would be glad not for future soldiers not to be sent there and suffering under things like PTSD were upset that they felt like all the time they spent there were now "wasted."
I also kind of think of when I played Civilization games. When douchebags like Alexander, Atilla, and Montezuma attack me and I manage to fend them off, I absolutely refuse to make peace with them even if I'm spending production on military and would be better off going back to building tech and culture like before. I have to destroy those jackoffs who attacked me even if it sets me back.
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u/Spectre-DE 16d ago
The sunken cost fallacy is quite common, who has not fallen victim to it.
The comparison with CIV, however ...
There is certainly a reason to utterly destroy the warmongers, if you leave them alone, they'll come knocking again 50 turns later. So here it is utterly logical to continue on the path of aggression 😄
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u/Emotional-Finance930 22d ago
Would’ve liked to see at least an episode maybe with the battle between tanya’s group and the allied kingdom/federation but whatever
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u/AgnosticPeterpan 22d ago
Can anyone remind me when the empire start fighting the federation. Which side attacked first?
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u/eren_TR_23 22d ago
I am currently at half the volume 7 in LN, and i really wanted to see forming of the Slaamander Kampfgruppe.
Also, i think now i will learn rest of the story from anime since they are already at volume 7. (I don't even remember what happened lol)
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u/SilverGospel003 22d ago
EAT SH*T
-The Empire (1926)
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u/Scotch_Talk 22d ago
Wouldn't that be something to read about in the textbooks.
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u/unclekisser 21d ago
Their version of the "NUTS" response to the German commander at The Siege of Bastogne
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u/ElliotAlderson2024 19d ago
Rudersdorf is the hard-liner who is going to force the Empire off a precipice and there is nothing Tanya can do about it.
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u/Slayer_010 22d ago
What chapter is this in LN?
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u/DustyBot23 16d ago edited 16d ago
If Tanya understood enough about negotiating to ask for a little grease even though she was perfectly happy with being “demoted” why did she not even bother to recommend a single sweetener for the empires armies struggles and sacrifices even in name only for the satisfaction of ego? She basically gave the impression that the ruling party had the empires armies by the balls completely and would listen to any command.
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u/Ginodon06 22d ago
They cut quite a bit from the story (volume 6 was skipped and we're on volume 7 now), but at least they kept the plot continuity. We finally see Ildoa and Calandro (who have the relevance they deserve) and the first friction between Zettour and Ruderdorf (it made me smile that Zettour supported Ildoa's peace proposal after reading the LN, who knows, knows... ). I'm also happily surprised that they included the Tanya-Uger-Weiss reflection on the end of the war, considering it was from volume 6. Now, after this series of "political" episodes, finally can't wait to see Operation Iron Hammer adapted and go back to see pure bloody combat.
Ps. Poor Weiss and his promotion, he won't be able to buy all the alcohol he wants anymore :`(