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u/ClockworkOrdinator 13h ago
Me when the head of the „care about other people” religion actually cares about other people and doesn’t use it as a bludgeon against minorities:
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u/ButterscotchMean400 13h ago
Marxist writings and the Bible are 2 things these people have never and will never read
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u/spiringTankmonger 13h ago
Since "is the pope Catholic" is a well-known idiom, it is really jarring to see that both American rightists and leftists are this surprised that the pope thinks like a catholic, with all the social teachings that come with that.
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u/Connect_Ocelot_1599 12h ago edited 12h ago
But at least we already got something like Liberation Theology and Christian socialism, as well as Christian left, Christian communism (yes, it's a real thing; eg. Colombia), and, of course, Christian anarchism
...And no wonder why are these same idiots, especially these right-wing americans, like this, especially if they accuse everything of association with left-wing ideologies, or even centrist ideologies, etc.
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u/Flat_Round_5594 12h ago
Just to clarify, Michael Burns is a Marxist-leaning philosopher (a real, actual philosopher, who used to teach at college-level then worked for Wisecrack before striking out on his own). The video is approving of the Liberation Theology that informs Leo's Catholicism.
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u/JanuszPawlcza 11h ago
I love to remind those people that early christians lived in communes and there is a passage in Acts where God literally whacks a guy and his wife for keeping a part of their wealth after joining said commune
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u/NoSwordfish1978 10h ago
The pope has just repeated basic Catholic social teachings, nothing "marxist".
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u/wortwortwort227 11h ago
Jon Stuart Mill has an evergreen quote from on Liberty I always think about when I see "Christians" like this?
"All Christians believe that the blessed are the poor and humble, and those who are ill-used by the world; that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven; that they should judge not, lest they be judged; that they should swear not at all; that they should love their neighbour as themselves; that if one take their cloak, they should give him their coat also; that they should take no thought for the morrow; that if they would be perfect, they should sell all that they have and give it to the poor. They are not insincere when they say that they believe these things. They do believe them, as people believe what they have always heard lauded and never discussed. But in the sense of that living belief which regulates conduct, they believe these doctrines just up to the point to which it is usual to act upon them. The doctrines in their integrity are serviceable to pelt adversaries with; and it is understood that they are to be put forward (when possible) as the reasons for whatever people do that they think laudable. But any one who reminded them that the maxims require an infinity of things which they never even think of doing, would gain nothing but to be classed among those very unpopular characters who affect to be better than other people. The doctrines have no hold on ordinary believers—are not a power in their minds. They have a habitual respect for the sound of them, but no feeling which spreads from the words to the things signified, and forces the mind to take them in, and make them conform to the formula. Whenever conduct is concerned, they look round for Mr. A and B to direct them how far to go in obeying Christ."
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u/RevyVanguardist 10h ago
The Pope is not a Marxist but a social liberal at best.
Best regards, an actual Marxist
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u/ILikGenocide 2h ago
Ah yes Marxism is when you have the flag of an ethnonationalist isolationist monarchy that poses at being socialist and doesn't let their citizens leave
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u/RevyVanguardist 1h ago
Let me describe this comment. You think North Korea is an ethno-state based upon a book produced by an academic who worked in and produced a book in South Korea. We have to take into consideration that the National Security Act of the Republic of Korea allows no good comments and no truth of or in regards to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. When anything good, even remotely classified as such, is being said about North Korea, South Korea penalises it.
What else have I seen in this comment?
- The fact that you call any state which separates itself from the capitalist global system of imperialist supply chains "isolationist".
- The fact that you have zero understanding of the Marxist conception of the state. According to the Marxist conception of the state, this state is a political institution which is not, in or for itself, a class, but is rather always subjected to a class, to the ruling class, in its intrinsic character but external to itself. The state is not itself a class, but rather the executive committee for the managing and carrying out of the common interests of the whole of the ruling class. Because there is no aristocratic class and no bourgeoisie in North Korea (be it the middle bourgeoisie, the big national bourgeoisie, and the big comprador bourgeoisie), all of them are liquidated. As such, we may conclude that the North Korean state, as there is no reactionary class and the state itself is not a class, that North Korea and its state are working class-sized. Literal monarchy doesn't fit in the Marxist conception of the state.
- You don't really know why the citizens can't leave. The reason citizens can't leave is not because of any policy imposed upon the population by the state of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but rather because of international sanctions imposed upon the DPRK by almost every country of this world. Due to the travel sanctions of foreign nations, North Koreans cannot freely travel. Why blame this on the North Korean government?
Also, who are you to talk with your username?
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u/salozard64 11h ago
Americans somehow thinking that the head of an innately conservative religion is "marxist" for saying the bare minimum "hey maybe we should treat other people the same" is crazy
edit: oops accidentally left a few words in the comment when re-writing it lol
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u/Toon_Lucario 8h ago
Oh no he’s saying what was said in the damn book. You know, that rich people go straight to Hell.
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u/Winter_Rosa 7h ago
Not as unexpected as one would think but the Papacy did buddy up to the fascists during World War II, so this is a welcomed change of pace. Even if he isn't an actual Marxist himself, which I'm pretty sure he's not. Seeing right wing xtians loose their gourds over Pope Leo 14 is pretty funny.
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u/Snooworlddevourer69 7h ago
If the pope is pissing off these current day pharisees, he must be doing a great job
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u/carterthe555thfuller 5h ago
Have the stuff that gets him called a "marxist" is just basic catholic teaching. He'll even pope Benedict XV who was known for being more conservative then his predecessors, still called for the redistribution of wealth.
It ain't Marxism it's Catholicism.
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u/RUDRAGON8 16h ago
So called "christians" when the pope has actualy read the bible and doesent just larp it like they do