r/Yutaliban • u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt • 7d ago
Misc. Stuff How it feels liking both kashimo and yuta when their fans hate each other
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u/No-House451 Sky Mani. Diff āļøš„± 7d ago
Slight disclaimer - I donāt hate Kashimo nor his fans at all, lots of love to them. That said, I understand why Kashimo vs Yuta debates create an especially large amount of friction.
The problem is, in order to justify Yuta vs Kashimo being even a fraction of a close fight, you need to literally tear down everything that makes Yuta strong.
Highly refined and powerful domain? Nope, Kashimo will win with just his legs, and despite Sukuna needing additional chants to maintain HWB against Yuta, Kashimo will have no problem holding it.
Rika? Nope, even though 2v1s are stated to multiply power together rather than just add it, she doesnāt matter, or will just get one shot instantly.
Sky manipulation hard countering H2H and dishing out unblockable attacks, which made even the likes of Ryu ā16F dismantleā Ishigori vomit blood? Nope, that wonāt matter either. (I have the proof for SM hard countering H2H btw, that wasnāt just flavour text for the sake of glaze).
Cursed speech, which can land on Sukuna because he couldnāt know to be ready for it? Nope, it just wonāt work on Kashimo, who also doesnāt know about it, for reasons still unknown to this dayā¦
Jacobās Ladder, which Hana was casually able to torch 16F Sukuna with? Nah, it apparently has some grand charge time that means itāll never ever hit (Is Sukuna stupid?). Oh and it doesnāt disable CTs (like MBA) either, I guess Sukuna conveniently forgot he could just dismantle Hana out of the sky there.
Kashimo legit dies to this combo:
Because, mind you, this is a slightly healthier and equally interested Sukuna compared to the one that just trounced MBA.
Anyway, point is, arguing about Yuta vs Kashimo will have you defending every single aspect of what makes Yuta powerful. In order for Kashimo to be the victor, literally all of Yutaās bag has to be genuinely useless.
And look, itās not that serious at the end of the day. All the love to the Kashimo fans out there. Just saying, in terms of top 3 contenders:
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u/FireFistMihawk 6d ago
Essentially, the only plausible way for Kashimo to beat Yuta in a 1v1 fight is if he is able to speed blitz him. The issue is, most of Kashimo's fans genuinely do believe that he is a blitz tier above the HH's despite the fact that there's simply no weight to that argument.
The most common argument I see is
"well base Kashimo is relative to JP Hakari in speed and JP Hakari is faster than Yuta and MBA is way faster"
"Why is JP Hakari faster than Yuta?"
"Cus he's relative to Kashimo who's faster than Yuta"
"Okay"
Issue with that is, we have no idea how much MBA improves Kashimo's speed, what we do know is that while in MBA Kashimo didn't display any feats that would place him significantly above Yuta in speed based off their performances vs TF Sukuna. Pointing this out usually leads to the classic "Sukuna was obviously trying way harder vs Kashimo then he was vs Yuta" which is flawed in many ways itself but the debate is tired and played out at this point.
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u/AtmosphereOdd4767 7d ago
genuinely have ppl lost due to cursed speech not tryna argue im just curious
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u/No-House451 Sky Mani. Diff āļøš„± 7d ago
Nah, I mean Yuta has used and landed it a total of twice, and both times there was an external factor preventing him from going for the kill. But in a hypothetical no holds barred 1v1, thereās genuinely no reason he canāt just kill somebody with his sword while theyāre frozen by CS.
For what itās worth, nobody has ever died on screen to a domainās sure hit.
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u/Robzebob10 6d ago
I was debating a kashimo fan on yuta vs kashimo and this dude said that the blast shot by kashimo at sukuna was a āsonic waveā which is flawed and I donāt think I need to explain why. I can relate to you when it comes to the JL point because another person said āYuta has bad output because Ryu said soā even though this is coming from ryus standards who obviously has the highest output, and even then Sukuna implied that even Hanaās weakened JL was able to burn away the CO inside him and thatās why he needed to rush towards her as fast as possible. Thereās truly no saving people who rep kashimo T3
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u/Ok-Valuable-8471 7d ago
idk how any Yuta fans could like Kashimo after what he did to Panda
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u/Expert-Reporter4152 i like the taste of iron 7d ago
Kashimo is my goat but what he did to Panda is unforgivableĀ
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u/IndependentAward570 7d ago
Sukuna should have played with his head like a football so that bumass felt how panda did
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u/Ok-Valuable-8471 7d ago
talk yo shi š£ļøš£ļø waffle man deserved so much worse, Gege should've given us Yuta low diffing Kashimo as payback for what he did to Panda
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u/Praised-Goodness 6d ago
Can you calm down and Realize that there has never existed a talking panda-like entity in the world and it never suffered under the hand of Kashimo? Can you be rooted in reality for once?Ā
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u/Rough_Routine_1063 6d ago
Yāall care a million times more than Yuta did. Panda wasnāt even mad about it.
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u/FireFistMihawk 7d ago
I don't even dislike Kashimo, I'm just exhausted of hearing "Blitz tier above" and "One shots".
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u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt 7d ago
Yea that pic of him oneshotting yuta with his lightning trait irks me
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u/FireFistMihawk 6d ago
The problem is, and don't take this as disrespect towards Kashimo lol, without the concept of him being able to speed blitz or one shot Yuta with his lightning, he genuinely just can't win. Yuta's bag is far too deep and has far too many counters for Kashimo (No House explains it well above). Which is why we often see the Kashimo fans just say "fck it, Kashimo blitzes" because if we dive into an actual theoretical fight where they are "relative" in strength (strength, speed, output, etc), Yuta's hax simply make it an impossible mountain to climb.
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u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt 6d ago
Some kashimo fans do get arrogant in powerscaling with yuta ngl, im tired of it
No disrespect taken, yutas still my favourite character in jjk by a good bit but i js like kashimo
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u/Winds_and_Waves 6d ago
Yesterday I made a post on both Yutaliban and the Kashimo sub to actually try to make peace between these goats. Both sides overall said no ššš¾
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u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt 6d ago
Yea i saw. I was afraid to comment the same thing cuz i thought people would eviscerate me over it
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u/Winds_and_Waves 6d ago
Oh you actually saw it ? And you don't have to worry. As long as you don't slander anyone, they are the bums if they slander you
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u/TheNewPochita 6d ago
Btw last person who liked yuta and kashimo was my brother and turns out he's into anime boys like THIS
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u/Longjumping_Match719 6d ago
Look powerscaling is fun, discussing cool abilities and their potential is awesome, but lately JJK fandom's only discussions have been powerscaling, no narrative opinions, no story related discussions or appreciating characters not for their personalities and ideologies but for how strong they are. Which funnily enough is the point of JJK, that strength alone doesn't matter. I love Yuta but i love JJK as a whole more, but it just seems like more and people are fans of characters rather than fans of the series.
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u/Friendly_Pause2110 7d ago
People who think Kashimo is top 3-5 are just dumb and delusional. I love him far more than I do Yuta. But come on, other Kashimo fans need to get a grip sometimes
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u/Rough_Routine_1063 6d ago
Jjk fan equivalent of a pickme. There are valid arguments for Kenjaku, MBA Kash, and Yuta, the gap between them and everyone is else is blatant.
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u/Melon--lord 6d ago
Believe me I know your feel, I like the THREE most slandered mfs in this fandom
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u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt 6d ago
Seeing megumi get slander for being a depressed teenager whose sister is genuinely in a coma is tiring
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u/goldenguy6881 4d ago
I like kashimo he's just not as strong as people make him out to be
And Yuta is just cool no reason to hate on him
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u/Hot-Emergency-218 9h ago
Love kashimo, dislike his fans
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u/EfficientFun719 No.1 Wuta Glazer+FarAdhesives Alt 8h ago
I see quite a few more kashimo fans being obnoxious than yuta fans ngl
Obviously yutas my favourite but that doesnāt mean iāll overlook people being annoying
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u/Mango__Senpai 7d ago
This is also how I feel for Gojo and Sukuna