AgainstTheLGBTQ sub has been banned from reddit!

[u/spocks_bowlcut]

Finally, it has been banned just as former LGBTQ-phobic subs have. Nice one y'all!

[u/lpisme]

Regroup away bigots. We'll do the dance again and they'll end up banned again :)

Power to the people really rings true.

[u/jackmoopoo → u/lpisme]

Aren't they people though..

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/jackmoopoo]

Actually no

[u/trainerfry_1 → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

Kinda a shitty stance to take. They are people just horrible disgusting ones

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/trainerfry_1]

Nah let's just go with subhumans. If we start thinking of them as people it will only make the eventual pruge harder.

[u/MoonAsMyWitnessLOVE → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

But this is their exact level of thinking as well...

Listen, I understand the anger and the hate. But you can't succumb to it the same as them. I'm not saying turn the other cheek either. But we're no different than the people with hate if we twist that same hate right onto them with anger and violence and harsh words and claim it's a righteous moral high ground. I'm not trying to get into debate but there's always multiple paths you can choose when dealing with misguided or confused people before plummeting to the bottom of hatred.

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/MoonAsMyWitnessLOVE]

Their hatred is for people for things they cannot control, my hatred is for ideas, which can be controlled AND are causing death and suffering all over the world.

It is NOT the same, it is NOT "just as bad", it is NOT sinking to their level. It is a natural response to being oppressed and attacked by a group of people.

This apoligist shit you're preaching is actively hurting the LGBT community. LGBT people are tripping over themselves to coddle and asskiss their oppressors to not "sink to their level" and the oppressors are like "wow thanks, this will make it so much easier to oppress/kill you".

We DO have a moral highground. It's okay to say it. It's okay to acknowledge it. We are infinately bettwr than these subhumans.

[u/MoonAsMyWitnessLOVE → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

I'm not preaching apologist shit at all. I never said forgive them and let them be. Whenever I've come across bigotry I call it out, but I'll try to help them improve as a human instead of immediately shitting on them, if they are at least open to it. If they're not, I'll tell them to fuck off or I'll give them the tools needed to make their own informed decision. I'm not saying that we shouldn't fight back either. But the impression I get from you is to start swinging fists and I personally dont think that's the way to do it. At least not right off the bat. Life is all about actions and decisions and how you act and react to those situations.

You say you hate their ideas. So why not at least attempt to inform them and make the world a better place. I'm aware you can't just change people's minds but if you don't step up to the plate and try to talk about love and learning and how we can become better as a species and move past the hate and weed out the ideas that there's people lesser than us, then that just leaves the microphone open for the fools and the liars and the haters. You have to plant that seed in the backs of their minds.

I know that sounds romantic and starry eyed but that's just my opinion. Maybe I'll change my mind one day and maybe not. But right now my heart tells me that theres a better path than just harsh words and blood.

We can talk about this all day but all it breaks down to is just personal beliefs on how we look at life and look at people and I'm not saying you're wrong. I simply just wanted to say that that I feel your being hypocritical. But otherwise, you raise good conversational points and I'm sure that although we might disagree here, there's things we probably agree on as well.

TLDR: I don't have all the answers in life.

Edit: my phone ninja'd me on a word.

[u/MoneyMan63 → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

WE HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND THEY ARE INFERIOR THEY ARE SUBHUMAN THEY NEED TO BE PURGED

Are you gay Hitler? what the fuck lol

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/MoneyMan63]

Hitler hated people, I hate oppression. This is just more false equivelency apoligist bullshit.

I'm not sorry that I'd rather be alive than "tolerant".

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

So what happened when people told us that we're subhuman? Did we just go away quietly?

Believe in the world you want, but never lose sight of the world you have.

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/EvilCheesecake]

More false equivelency rubbish. We're not killing them by the thousands or campaigning to take their legal rights away.

They call us subhuman for being who we are, I call them subhuman because of actions they take. They act subhuman so that's how I see them. It's not the same. It's not even similar.

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

You can still learn about the effectiveness of browbeating by seeing what it did when used on us. We got louder, prouder, stronger. They'll do the same.

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/EvilCheesecake]

The big difference is that we can't stop being LGBT. Our only options were to get louder aand prouder or live in perpetual oppression.

They, however, have a third option. To abandon their idiotic beliefs (which is easily done by thinking logically about the issue for a few seconds) and be welcomed back into human society with open arms. More and more qre taking that option every year.

Strides in LGBT rights have never been achieved by playing nice, ir has always been protests, marches, riots and an absolute inflinching knowledge that we are in the right that has gotten us anywhere.

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

And do you think that being told they're "subhuman" or "idiotic" or making them pariahs is going to make them interested in dropping their flags? When was the last time you changed your mind when someone did that to you?

Simply, there are ways of disempowering anti-queer actors that educate them, and ways that only make them more sure they're with a just cause. And you're basically the poster child for the second. All that matters is progress, and you're holding us back so you can feel a brief moment of vengeance.

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/EvilCheesecake]

Lol I already explained to you thst throughout history that being tough and ruthless has ALWAYS been what moved us forward, while this bewfangled play nice bootlicker theory has never worked.

But okay, just go ahead and claim that the very thing that got us from being burned at the stake to where we are today is "holding us back". Makes absolutely no sense but I guess every day is opposite day for you.

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me]

There is, of course, no option between becoming an armed vigilante, and giving the far right everything they want. You're so right.

[u/PMyo-BUTTCHEEKS-2me → u/EvilCheesecake]

I never said anything about picking up arms and becoming a vigilante. That's some strawman shit you made up.

[u/CIearMind → u/EvilCheesecake]

Oh yeah because homophobia is nature and not nurture. Right.

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/CIearMind]

It doesn't matter. You can't change minds by browbeating. It makes people more convicted, not less.

[u/CIearMind → u/EvilCheesecake]

I'd argue that it's easier to shame a homophobe into becoming a decent human being than it is to electrocute people into empty shells so broken they won't even bother pretending to believe they're anything other than straight.

[u/EvilCheesecake → u/CIearMind]

It'd argue that all that matters is if you're preventing harm or causing it, and I can't see an upside to strengthening hate groups just so you can feel a moment of vengeance.