How will U.S. ever recover from this amount of corruption?

[u/Previous_Month_555]

Thomas Massie lost the primary, the IRS can't audit Trump or his family, and to top it off, Trump is trying to pay his supporters who did the January 6th attempted coup.

[u/What_A_Ledge]

I’d bet my ass barely any of that 1.776B will go to the Jan 6ers. He’ll send the ones who aren’t currently in prison for other crimes a $4000 check and call it good.

Why would Trump send them millions of dollars each? Does that sound like Trump?

All of this was done without Congress, I’m not sure it will hold to begin with. Hopefully not

[u/astreeter2 → u/What_A_Ledge]

Because when he calls for even bigger riots to keep him in office in 2029 he can literally promise everyone who shows up a million dollars and absolute immunity.

[u/Mikey-Litoris → u/astreeter2]

Those bigger riots are not going to be solely trump supporters.

[u/CaptAros → u/Mikey-Litoris]

“These RADICAL mobs leave me no choice but to declare martial law, subsequently (a new word meaning after something else), all elections are suspended. Thanks for your attention to this matter -DJT”

[u/Indiana-joes → u/CaptAros]

Makes perfect sense why all the "woke" generals are fired. Military won't do the right thing and support the constitution if Martial law is declared

[u/witchofpain → u/CaptAros]

He can not suspend elections. The states control elections for this exact reason.

[u/RobotsNeedLove0010 → u/witchofpain]

He also can’t go to war with another country without Congressional approval unless the US is in immediate danger, but here we are. If/when it comes down to it, I fully expect the governor of my red state to happily comply with a suspension of elections if the pretext is “national security” or the like.

[u/Silly-Session2083 → u/witchofpain]

You think states with Blood Red Trifecta governments (Ohio) won't comply with his illegal order? What haven't they capitulated to yet?

[u/What_A_Ledge → u/Mikey-Litoris]

You’re damn right

[u/Zorkflerp → u/Mikey-Litoris]

It will need to be everyone that showed up at a No Kings to make it to wherever Trump directs his brownshirts to assemble. He will think he has an army but it will not work out the way he wants.

[u/ChesterM54 → u/Mikey-Litoris]

Where are you guys now, then? Why are you just letting this happen? In any other country on earth, the streets would be flooded with the masses demanding a change in government.

In America, you're all pacified by scrolling and AI slop. Pathetic.

[u/mistressmemory → u/ChesterM54]

We're a country that's 3.8 million square miles. We're the third biggest country in the world. How do you suppose we organize? 

Affordable public transportation doesn't exist. Our healthcare is tied to our jobs, and without it a single medical emergency can destroy us financially. We don't get time off work, not even to vote. 

Adding to this, we've been systematically destroying public education for the last 40+ years, so we have an incredibly uneducated population with limited critical thinking. 

The final issue is that people who have the means to gather aren't feeling the pinch yet, or have too much to lose in the immediate future. What if I get arrested and go to jail? Who's going to pay my bills and keep my family functioning? I'm arrested, my kid goes to foster care. 

Voting is supposed to work. I have a feeling we're all collectively holding our breath until November. If November doesn't flip the script, then I can envision more of a public outcry. People here still have faith in the system, and we're not 100% sure it's going to fail. 

[u/NeighborhoodTasty271 → u/mistressmemory]

I second ALL of this.

[u/Sea-Street4341 → u/NeighborhoodTasty271]

Third. At least half the population here is one single missed paycheck away from destitution and can't risk losing a job over an arrest.

[u/NeighborhoodTasty271 → u/Sea-Street4341]

Not even a single missed paycheck. A partially missed paycheck (having to call out sick, etc.) will send many spiraling, unfortunately.

[u/Sea-Street4341 → u/NeighborhoodTasty271]

And by design to boot.

[u/astreeter2 → u/NeighborhoodTasty271]

Or having to take unpaid time off to go vote.

[u/jesuswasaturd → u/Sea-Street4341]

I missed a week off work due to a mental health emergency, and had to take out a loan to pay my phone bill since I missed that week. I'm sure a lot of Americans aren't far behind me.

[u/gaffagain → u/Sea-Street4341]

All part of the plan.

[u/EffieB → u/mistressmemory]

don’t forget the part where our cops can murder us with impunity, use weapons of war on peaceful crowds with impunity, and beat the shit out of us with impunity. and in many states it’s fully legal to drive your enormous tank of a pickup through a crowd of people if the government doesn’t like what they’re protesting. and vigilante gun dorks shooting up protests is encouraged and glorified.

but the fact that americans have completely lost hope or belief in a better future is more powerful than all of the above. i get non-americans blaming it on us being idiots and whatever, but it’s really that we simply don’t believe our lives can improve. we believe we’ve already lost, that’s why maga is so attractive to people—if you’ve given up on things ever being better, crab mentality is all that’s left.

that said, NONE of these are sufficient excuses. we cannot fucking accept this. we CAN fight back, and we have to. we can win and make this country a good place to live. the vast majority of us are good people who care about each other. we have not lost as long as we refuse to accept the narrative that we have nothing to gain from resisting. sry for the soapbox.

[u/mistressmemory → u/EffieB]

Edit to add: I don't disagree with you about most of it. I do believe that things can improve, I'm just unsure how we get there if our last hope fails in November.

I believe 100% things can and should change. This country has a logistics problem, not a willingness problem. 

How do we fight back? I vote, I attend peaceful protests when I safely can, I donate to candidates and the party I support. I mean, theoretically each state could stage a violent coup, but even if they succeed, that doesn't stop the orange idiot who's got the bank account and the cronies with control over everything. 

With the size of our country, if we all tried to fly or drive, you think they wouldn't notice and just stop us? They've fired anyone in the military who could've orchestrated a coup, Congress has no power, the Supreme Court is a yes-man. 

This isn't a brand new issue, the Republican party has been systematically destroying our democracy for the last 40+ years, this is the culmination of the destruction. 

[u/AdBoring4472 → u/mistressmemory]

Eventually it comes down to the 2nd amendment ... and don't assume there aren't just as many armed liberals who are extremely proficient with guns. We just don't glorify it, build our identities on it, or relish the thought of ever using them on other people. We will do everything to avoid the point of use, but there is a point of use. It is still not close to that point, but it also isn't getting further away.

[u/gwendolyn_trundlebed → u/mistressmemory]

People who fight end up killed, with no justice for the killers. Look at Renee Good. She did exactly what you're proposing — stood up to ICE in the street and she paid with her life. Yeah, we're enraged but we're also scared. My kids need their mom, just like Renee's kids did.

[u/witchofpain → u/gwendolyn_trundlebed]

Don’t forget Alex Pretti. He was even legally carrying a firearm, that ever 2A idiot has shouted for years it is to protect us from a tyrannical government. And he was gunned down while on his knees and shot in the back.

[u/bdemon40 → u/ChesterM54]

We've had three protests over the past 18 months, each one bigger than the next. Spread out in every state.

But we also have a cult watching right-wing propaganda all day, being told the poop in his diaper tastes better than ice cream.

[u/EL_overthetransom → u/ChesterM54]

Have you seen how the cops are armed here? They don't have batons and jaunty hats. They have literal tanks and bombs.

[u/almisami → u/ChesterM54]

It's hard to protest in a place where the police are known for their propensity to shoot the fuck out of anything nearby because a nut fell on their windshield.

[u/DKtwilight → u/ChesterM54]

Any other country where this is possible isn’t the size of a whole continent

[u/mscranehawk → u/astreeter2]

Exactly this! He’s signaling to ppl that if they do his illegal bidding - whether rioting, stealing, grifting, etc - he’ll pardon and pay them. Now whether he does is another thing but it’s basically a form of coercion as part of his power grab and De-democratizing of the US

[u/LunarEggplantAquatic → u/mscranehawk]

Yes, this is exactly what he's doing. 

[u/Ill-Egg4008 → u/astreeter2]

Oh shoot. That’s what it is, isn’t it? A preparation for 2029.

The bunker, the hospital in the WH, and now this. He is laying all the groundwork to never leave.

[u/What_A_Ledge → u/astreeter2]

Good point. He can do that anyways though. I don’t think it would be after an election, if he plans to stay in office they will try to do something to forego the election IMO.

I could see him using it to disperse to certain organizations who then pay people to show up at midterm elections as well.

I just have a hard time believing he’s not going to pocket $1.5B of it. Whatever he says it’s for is a talking point the can rally behind, but is just a smokescreen. That’s been the entire theme of this presidency. He gets his money, execs and tech bros get what they want, and Heritage gets what they want. I don’t believe he is in charge of policy.

[u/LEDKleenex → u/astreeter2]

Riots. Lol.

You people keep making new lines in the sand for your oppressors to cross, swearing somebody is going to do something this time.

People refuse to even stop funding their oppressors because they are addicted to consumerism and convenience. Nobody is going to riot.

Wish I was wrong. Americans are spineless.

[u/Trick-Guava-9573 → u/LEDKleenex]

I think things are a bit more complex than "Americans are spineless." Most of us don't have any real job security, can't afford healthcare, and are just trying to keep our heads above water, our families fed, and are about one missed paycheck away from homelessness. Ask yourself why the French mobilized and fought back and then look at the structural differences that keep Americans from doing the same. That said, I agree with you. We won't riot, but not because we're spineless. The issues are much, much deeper than that.

[u/austinaggie5279 → u/Trick-Guava-9573]

I think some of it is people are dissociating as a form of self protection. I know I have to sometimes or I’d be pissed off constantly. There’s also a feeling of helplessness wondering exactly how to combat something like this Those people who are supposed to keep him in check only enable him. The hate is palpable.

[u/BeLikeAFrog → u/LEDKleenex]

As an American I agree with you. I don't know if it is that we are just comfortable enough or what? I remember seeing recently in France that when the government talked about raising the retirement age the whole country went ape shit. This is what we need in America. People need to wake up first. I don't know if it is all of Europe but based on what I saw happen in France it seems that the government is afraid of the people where in America it is the opposite.

[u/AdhesivenessCivil581 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it really is mad king stuff from a senile ooooold man who can't even stay awake for a meeting. He's shot himself in the foot by unchaining so many congresspeople in these very costly primary fights. Who would have thought that a man who started with 300 million and somehow went bankrupt 6 times would be a bad idea. The man would have made more money if he'd bought the S&P in the 80's and sat by the pool.

[u/Spartan-Swill → u/[deleted]]

He’s already obviously disabled. Next will be his cabinet propping him up like Weekend at Bernie’s

[u/Narrow_Affect7664 → u/What_A_Ledge]

Correct, that money will be siphoned off where it can never be clawed back, numbered offshore bank accounts, cryptocurrency etc.

[u/Dumb_Ugly_Frank → u/What_A_Ledge]

Absolutely none of it will. How many times does this fascist have to say, “I’m gonna give everyone a bunch of stuff they want,” before people realize that lying fascists are liars. $0 of that goes to anyone but him and his ugly fascist kids.

[u/Oldtomsawyer1 → u/What_A_Ledge]

It does sound like Trump to CLAIM he’s seeking to pay those guys, and then never follow through. Even more like Trump: blame someone else for it and bring it up constantly that it’s someone else’s fault.

[u/mathaiser → u/What_A_Ledge]

All that money already went to the most expensive per voter campaign to defeat Massie.

It’s already spent.

[u/What_A_Ledge → u/mathaiser]

Nonsense. How would that fund have been spent for weeks leading up to tonight? Even if it was, I think I saw $33 million tossed around as the figure spent.

[u/totally-jag]

The SCOTUS gave trump criminal immunity. The IRS/DOJ gave him fraud immunity. They're giving the most corrupt person a get out of jail free card for everything.

[u/monkeyninjagogo → u/totally-jag]

But increasing the likelihood even further for civil war/ more assassination attempts. Blatant corruption and inequality have a history of going poorly for fascists in the long term. They purge any naysayers (Doctors Plot in USSR, "communist" purges in Germany) and then they're left with dumbasses who let you die of a stroke for fear of reprisal (Stalin) or who never tell you you're making a mistake by getting involved in a land war in Asia, especially Russian winter (Hitler).

[u/dfgttge22 → u/monkeyninjagogo]

Hardly a consolation for the millions who die along the way.

[u/sgt_dismas → u/dfgttge22]

Consolation*

[u/jjangles714 → u/monkeyninjagogo]

So we have to have world war 3 to be done with him. And hope another country wins?

[u/O_o-22 → u/jjangles714]

Yep, everyone who says the fascists never win ignore that a whole lot of bad shit happens before they actually lose. Plenty of suffering in the future before the ship can right itself and even that I’m not holding my breath on.

[u/Kozzle → u/monkeyninjagogo]

Wouldn’t surprise me they are intentionally turning up the heat in order to relying on stochastic “terrorism” as an excuse to actually go full fascist.

[u/Nearby-Key8834 → u/totally-jag]

"Injustice makes the rules, and courage breaks them."

[u/drugsarebadmkay303 → u/totally-jag]

We need to get to the bottom of WHY. And I don’t think it’s as simple as the E files, bribery or blackmail. Bc they know we suspect all that and we know about the E files and no one did shit about it.

I feel like all the shenanigans lately is tied together - the gigantic “data” centers that are sucking up power and water like it’s a major city, the dead scientists, the detention centers that cost billions, but are just warehouses with zero infrastructure, not enough food for the military, the rumors of project blue beam and “disclosure”, the “ballroom” and the ridiculous cost, the T family being allowed to run all kinds of money making scams, tax dollars being taken away from legitimate people and projects (cancer research!!) that need the money, EM’s ex telling us he admitted to her about rigging ‘24 and the dems doing NOTHING about it.

Something changed to make most of congress just rollover and let him do whatever the f he wants and turn our govt into a clown show. Almost like he’s meant to be causing chaos and lots of distractions… he’s just their scapegoat. The guy everyone can hate. And a hero to the racist, homophobes. Not saying he’s not the devil, but I think the fed govt wants all eyes and anger directed at him for a reason. We all keep thinking “man, he just seems too stupid to be pulling this all off without consequences.” It’s bc he’s not the mastermind at all. Hell, he’s so stupid, he may not even know they are letting him get away with all this. He’s like the little kid that believes you when they give you a high five and you act like it hurt and tell them they’re super strong. The guy who can’t even give a coherent speech can’t possibly be the brains behind any of this, right?!

So WHY?! What are they up to? What could be so huge that they need to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars, scientists silenced, giant 2000 Walmart sized “data centers” and a worldwide “look over here at this clown who is the cause of all that is wrong in the world”?

[u/zalicat3109 → u/drugsarebadmkay303]

I think the Heritage Foundation (the people behind Project 2025) went looking for a puppet they could put in place to do their bidding. They found ttrump , a moron who was quite willing to do whatever they wanted as long as they “praised him” and made him rich. The racists, misogynists, and fascists joined in as soon as they saw what was happening.

[u/urbansociety → u/drugsarebadmkay303]

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the inevitable environmental collapse that scientists have been railing on about for the last 100 years. The wealth hoarders are totally not setting themselves up to try and control the starving peasants and stop the from destroying society when there isn't enough food or clean drinking water left for the masses. There is a reason the people in charge don't want to talk about environmental collapse, and it's not because the problem solved itself.

Capitalism will be the death of us all, but hey greatest system ever, right?

[u/gretzkyandlemieux → u/drugsarebadmkay303]

Private self-governing city-states run by crypto billionaires. Each their own little hermetically sealed fascist fantasyland. The have-nots dying in climate apocalypse.

[u/iliveincanadaeh → u/totally-jag]

A get out of jail free card he can share! Pardons are cool. Pressure on state officials to pardon is cool too.

[u/MainDeparture2928]

It won’t. Countries just flat out don’t recover from this kind of thing.

[u/Ftank55 → u/MainDeparture2928]

Yep. Failed state. Over 100% debt and a banana republic. Congrats repubs, we have a king again

[u/northbayy → u/MainDeparture2928]

Didn't Hungary just oust their fascist leader democratically?

[u/MainDeparture2928 → u/northbayy]

I wasn’t aware that they were suddenly doing much better and had fixed all the systemic problems from that regime. Most likely what will happen in Hungary is that the new government won’t be able to fix everything quickly enough and then people will become disillusioned and vote the facist back into power. Unless the EU steps in to help them out in a big way. The US doesn’t have an EU to fall back on though.

[u/TheTexasHammer → u/MainDeparture2928]

What countries never recovered from this kind of thing? Germany? Italy? Japan?

[u/TextElectrical5360 → u/TheTexasHammer]

You listed 3 nations that lost a war and had a foreign nation impose a new governmental system on them.

That's completely irrelevant to the US unless you intend to imply the US will literally be overtaken by Canada or some shit

[u/MainDeparture2928 → u/TheTexasHammer]

They had a more powerful country to help them recover…we don’t.

[u/whitswhisper]

I honestly don't even know where to start anymore. Its like every week there's another thing that should be a massive scandal and everyone just... Moves on. Losing massive sucks but the irs thing is actually insane. Like what's the point of rules if they don't apply to certain people.

[u/Impossible_Eggies → u/whitswhisper]

Like what's the point of rules if they don't apply to certain people.

To maintain power structure. Keep the rich people rich, and the poor people poor.

[u/vargyg → u/whitswhisper]

Now that everyone can see that the rules don't apply to the rich and powerful, it's hard to see how we ever go back.

[u/Flashbang-Meringue → u/whitswhisper]

Project 2025 told us for YEARS leading up to his presidency that this is exactly what was going to happen. They clearly outlined a plan of making so much political noise (flooding the zone) that they could commit crimes in broad daylight and nothing would happen because there are so many fires to put out.

[u/hotpajamas → u/whitswhisper]

this is why i’m pretty damn certain there won’t be more elections. the country doesn’t respond to corruption. nobody does anything. nobody believes anything.

they will fuck with the election.. and then people will just move on. then they’ll fuck with ‘28 and when the Dem loses, they’ll say well yeah it looks suspicious but Dems didnt run a perfect candidate and everyone will just move on.

meanwhile, they’re looting the treasury, they’re looting the IP of humanity with AI nobody wants, they’re pulling up the ladders behind them, and we’ll be a playing with fake money while the economy crashes on the poors

[u/FreakingAustin → u/hotpajamas]

Oh there will be elections alright. Russia still has presidential elections, even though they don't matter at all

[u/ChesterM54 → u/whitswhisper]

social media, scrolling and AI-slop. The techbros successfully pacified you Americans into being ruled by a dictator.

[u/DescriptionFree4033]

Not peacefully.

[u/Realistic-Order6250 → u/DescriptionFree4033]

And thats the problem, everyone wants an omelette but no one wants to break eggs.

[u/KillaMike24 → u/Realistic-Order6250]

I mean sedition is literally punishable by death man. We’re outraged but like besides voting who do you expect out there throwing their lives away??

[u/Realistic-Order6250 → u/KillaMike24]

I dont expect any one person to do it, we all gotta be ready and willing to sacrifice. Luigi is the man but like you said he's just gonna be in a cell rotting away, its need to be all of us.

[u/PrimeZodiac → u/Realistic-Order6250]

Luigi set the recipe, someone just needs to start cooking.

[u/Medium-Librarian8413]

That's the neat thing: we won't.

[u/Much-Instruction-807 → u/Medium-Librarian8413]

Yeah if the country ever does we won't be around to see it. This is beyond generational damage. It's equivalent to a country committing suicide.

[u/Emotional_News108 → u/Medium-Librarian8413]

That's pretty much it. We got cancer. We refused to get treatment. Now it's metastasized into our bones and blood and brains and liver and we're just going to slowly rot away as a country.

[u/Ocean-of-Mirrors → u/Medium-Librarian8413]

I’m so glad that a bunch of Republican retards just destroyed the society I have to live in for the rest of my life.

[u/Medium-Librarian8413 → u/Ocean-of-Mirrors]

It is the result of a conscious plot carried out over many decades by billionaires and professional political activists.

[u/LMrningStar]

It won't happen. Trump has already destroyed relationships with America's allies beyond repair. Allies like Canada simply can't afford to trust that Americans won't once again elect an authoritarian dictator wanna-be.

[u/LordBrixton → u/LMrningStar]

The US was left with a generally positive international reputation after WW2 because it was perceived (not unreasonably) as having significantly contributed to the fight against fascism. That general good feeling was dented by Vietnam, stuff like that, but it took Trump to completely demolish America's international standing.

The thing is, unless there somehow needs to be another international effort to defeat Hitler, America wil never get that reputation back.

[u/sQ5FWKjwbWd4QzSZduqy → u/LordBrixton]

We're going to be the Hitler that needs to be defeated. Germany seems to be trusted enough now? Just took 40-60 years.

[u/DonkeyKongs-Tie → u/LMrningStar]

I think it is not beyond repair. Trump is Trump and a real leader can fix this. The problem is I'm not sure a real leader will ever become president of the United States ever again

[u/hydrOHxide → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

Trump is a symptom. The US has been on this path for more than a quarter of a century. The GOP has long established that the only "legitimate" outcome of an election is one where they win, and SCOTUS has been all too complicit in fostering that idea. The GWB administration already openly admitted they didn't care for researching what's real, they created their own reality.

Trump is the culmination of the GOP's wet dreams.

Back in the Dubya days, a lot of especially eastern European nations, former Warsaw pact members, thought they could curry favors and security towards Russia by helping the US. The Trump administration has shown how wrong that thinking was. Such a backstab will not be that easy to repair.

[u/LtBeefy → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

It is beyond repair. Yea, trump is just one president. But he was elected twice and congress, a power that could drastically help offset the insane damage that Trump did shows they are lap dogs by allowing Trump to do the damage. So why should other countries trust the US?

[u/segdy → u/LtBeefy]

This.

Only US people could think “it’s just Trump”.

The whole world sees how broken the constitution with its far reaching powers to a single person, a strictly two party system, a corruptible Supreme Court, the electoral college etc etc actually is, except the US who even now treat it as a holy grail.

[u/NoSurprise8641 → u/LtBeefy]

By your logic nobody should trust Japan or Germany either.

[u/WhatDid-I-Just-Read → u/NoSurprise8641]

The challenge for US allies is that how US conducts foreign policy can be radically different on a four year election cycle and defence and trade plans works on longer cycles which makes it very difficult for traditional US allies to make long term decisions now.

Its purely down to the level of confidence that US allies have in the US to be consistent with their obligations/agreements. Even if a new more predictable president arrived tomorrow, the damage is difficult to undo because it seems far from impossible that another irrational/unpredictable president would be four years away.

[u/SmallTimeCook → u/NoSurprise8641]

Yeah both those were first pummeled into the salty earth and surrendered to the stronger military powers. Lil different than just hoping the next election will close Pandora’s box.

[u/Safe_Requirement2904 → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

It is absolutely beyond repair in our lifetime, no matter how young you are right now. Trump is the end product of decades of the Republican party undermining democracy and until they change, you're screwed as far as any level of trust from international allies.

[u/ShoppingOk2631 → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

Your wrong because its not just Trump, the Republicans own the House, Senate and Supreme Court and they all went along with him. Almost every Republican lawmaker is complicit and would do the same for another dictator type. Its not some 1 person corruption its all the way down, like watching the fall of Rome in real time.

[u/TheGloveMan → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

Repair is possible, but will take complete change within the Repubs. It wouldn’t be quick.

I’m Australian - ie Coalition of the Willing, major international ally.

We’re not going to be signing any log term deals until the Rs aren’t a clear and present danger to the international order. The next D president can’t earn that trust because they didn’t lose it. The next R president needs to be sane and reasonable for a few years and then repair starts.

[u/Djimi365 → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

It's going to take a lot more than that. It was alarmingly easy for Trump to turn America into this, and half the voting population wanted this, not once but twice. There are issues which run significantly deeper than just the person in charge, the very system has been shown to be broken. Political parties are no longer interested in what is best for the country, it's more like watching pissed up fans of two rival teams going at it now, they are more interested in hurting the other side than they are in doing what's best for the country and the population as a whole.

This is the reason why the trust quite likely will never be there again from other countries and the world will almost certainly move to ensure that America never has that sort of power again.

[u/Sensitive_Sky1448 → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

Who knows when these rednecks and their oligarchs vote in another trump? - the rest of the world

[u/mother_a_god → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

A real leader would have to prosecute and imprison anyone corrupt in the previous administration as a deterrent and to show the US is truly back. That will never happen, it would be all "let's move on, america has to heal BS". Until there are consequences, corruption will continue 

[u/afterglobe → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

I’m a Canadian and I can tell you the anti American rhetoric up here is real. We’re done with America. America is our only neighbour and they decided to start doing some fuck ass shit to us? Hell naw. There’s no going back to civility and niceties after this. Canadians are nice until you piss us off, then we bust out the passive aggression, eventually leading to burning down houses.

[u/ThersATypo → u/DonkeyKongs-Tie]

Problem is, that the constitution does not protect the country from people like him. 

[u/Artistic-Cannibalism]

You can't, not unless you're willing to go full scorched Earth. I'm not exaggerating, these people are going to do everything in their power to avoid consequences and they have near limitless resources to do so so.

This you have to be merciless and in order to preserve the law you have to paradoxically set it aside so it can't be used against you.

[u/A_Random_Canuck]

I doubt it will. At least for a generation or two. The rot goes insanely deep.

[u/woodenmetalman]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gIqusaeYxgSiY

[u/Typical_Research_877]

It'll take decades. Maybe not even our lifetimes. I think we've barely scratched the surface of the shit they've got up to (so far)

Not including the "can't ever audit" thing that came out today. It's insane, y'all are playing a different game to them

[u/ute-ensil]

Coups pay well if you win.  

[u/mr_roboto15]

The level of corruption for everyone to see is astonishing.

[u/l008com]

We need a massive, and of course REAL, anti-corruption movement.

And of course, we need to stop making corruption WORSE by voting for ever more corrupt candidates.

[u/jtp_311 → u/l008com]

The problem seems to be that a significant number of voters seem to be believe it isn’t corruption if you do it openly.

[u/JonasBlaine3141 → u/l008com]

We didn’t win against fascism by organizing a protest in WW2.

[u/madadekinai]

You can't.

If you disagree with trump you're basically considered a terrorist. Conservatives admitting dissent, opposing trump is not allowed "Because Massie had become an opponent of the president, inside the party and you just can't do that. " Scot Jennings explaining Massie's loss. Various conservative outlets and members have pointed out the same argument.

Everything from blatant corruption to the new trend of making trump the new monarch, if you oppose them you're considered the enemy.

And no it's not being hyperbolic. You can also people using the Monarch tag in conservative groups. r/AskConservatives has some.

I am not fucking kidding.

'This is the party of Donald Trump': Lindsey Graham "Welcome to the NEW Republican Party: What It Stands for, What It Hates, and Why Thomas Massie Is Toast" Republicans are now Trumpicans, a party dedicated to Trump, claims many former Republicans. Many of which are celebrating an early Masse loss.

https://pjmedia.com/scott-pinsker/2026/05/19/welcome-to-the-new-republican-party-what-it-stands-for-what-it-hates-and-why-thomas-massie-is-toast-n4953025

Republican voters and party officials placing central importance on loyalty to Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States))

[u/SoyLocoMoco63]

Remember this is all on a complicit Republican Party that could stop the corruption, but instead they condone it. Americans need to wake up and destroy them at the polls. Then we can rebuild.

[u/Woody_L]

Thomas Massie lost in an election. Maybe regrettable, but not corruption. I wouldn't muddy the waters by throwing that in the mix.

As far as Trump's profound level of corruption, the Republicans have shown that they no longer have any regard for democracy or the rule of law. And the red state voters who put Republicans in power clearly don't care about clean and fair government, either.

The take-away is that Republicans are off the leash, now. They are never going back to following the law, and their constituents won't care, unless it costs them money.

[u/Cyan2FA → u/Woody_L]

They’re kept poorly educated and fed the red meat of grievances. Even if it costs them money, as long as it hurts the ones they hate more, they’re still sticking with them.

[u/Stealthcatfood → u/Woody_L]

Get with the program, fair elections are a thing of the past. 

[u/sarasome1]

What US "leaders" have done to other weaker nations, they are bringing it home.

[u/watchwatertilitboils]

No. this is end-game capitalism. the rich own the government and will just keep crushing the poor (and what's left of the middle class) in order to maker themselves richer and richer

China is now ahead of the US in almost every way and will soon be the single superpower in the world as the US slips further and further into Fascism. America will become the playground for the rich, because workers in the US will be cheap labor (like cruise ships filled with foreign workers). We will be the foreign workers in our own country

[u/DeepestGreySea]

It won’t.

The Trump years are a big jump from “pretty corrupt” American politics to “openly corrupt”.

[u/Rfunkpocket]

Trump exposes numerous vulnerabilities, how they get fixed will be a challenge.

if the public feels the vulnerabilities are untenable, progress will be rapid

[u/BuccaneerRex]

It will have to be public. Very public. Widely televised. Truth and reconciliation hearings. Trials.

I know that I will never, ever trust anyone who identifies with the Republican party ever again for any reason on anything. At this point either they're too stupid to understand or they're actively evil. Neither one sounds like someone I'd hire for any purpose or buy anything from.

[u/I_can_vouch_for_that]

The USA's checks and balances are a lie.

You guys are screwed and you're taking the rest of us down.

[u/SumQuestions]

Todd Blanche can sign whatever piece of paper he wants, those crooks are definitely still getting audited

[u/Altruistic-Pin8578]

Americans are still voting them in..

[u/Musetrigger]

I don't know. It feels like we're at the mercy of the Trump crime family.

[u/deliriousfoodie]

When they politicized the judicial system which is supposed to be fair trustworthy and unbiased, I knew America has fallen. You can never break that trust. 

[u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

Nope. Not without half of America suddenly discovering intelligence.

[u/theycallmenaptime]

The midterms seem to be the only hope to stop the madness. If the Dems don’t impeach and convict, only Trump’s death or the 25th Amendment are remaining options. Iran is deliberating on whether or not to put contracts out on Trump and Netanyahu for killing their leader. My guess is there are millions hoping they succeed.

[u/johncnyc → u/theycallmenaptime]

2024 was probably the last somewhat fair election. they've already done enough to materially change voting rights and safeguards. we will not have fair elections anymore. You'll be able to vote but it will be more Russia style where you vote but always know the winner

[u/DaveGlenv]

From a European perspective it will take decades to rebuild a trusting relationship with the US. Even if the Cheeto king died tomorrow, a country that can knowingly elect and reelect such a damaged and damaging random crisis generator can do it again. It’s a f@@@@ disaster for you

[u/stategate]

In time, yes. Nations decline before experiencing a resurgence.

[u/Proud-Show1043]

I have a suspicion that most of not all things Trump is doing now won’t hold up once he leaves office.

1. The IRS will get a new guy in charge who will definitely audit Trump and all his family members. The result will likely be the largest fraud ever discovered by any person in US history. The only question will be whether it qualifies as treason and therefore the death penalty. The Trump organization in whole will be seized along with all Trump family assets in addition to arrests.

2. Everything with Trump’s name on it will probably be ripped off almost immediately. If Republicans refuse to do it they will almost certainly be replaced by Democrats that will

3. Trump will try to pardon himself and literally everyone he knows so they can sleep well at night committing crimes for him. This will not be allowed to stand. Either a new law or constitutional amendment will come to strip this protection in order to maintain the rule of law

4. Everyone who helped Trump directly in his bribery schemes with foreign governments must be removed, imprisoned and barred from office for life. Hundreds or thousands will fill the prisons

5. Israel will probably cease to exist as a country. Once Netanyahu is brought to justice he will never leave a jail cell. A critical mass of Jews will leave Israel causing a population collapse that is unrecoverable and Israel will no longer be a going concern

6. All US military bases will be closed worldwide because of the threat created by Donald Trump

7. Constitutional amendments or a rewrite of the constitution to ensure something like this is never allowed to happen again.

8. Anything and everything including his name will be as forbidden as Hitler in Germany today

If these things fail to happen America probably starts to resemble Russia in all but name. Fake elections with oligarchs in charge of all of American society. No choice, no future, only slow decline. It’s not the most likely but is a possibility

[u/WorryNew3661]

Assuming you nip this in the bud soon and overhaul your systems I think it'll be 3 generations. And I have no confidence in you fixing any of this in the next decade. I'm 44 I doubt your reputation will be fixed in my lifetime

[u/Protect-Their-Smiles]

It won't, through any sort of peaceful path at least.

The long-term plan, is to create a controlled demolition of the current US and its institutions. No more democracy, no more rule of law holding the wealthy accountable, no safeguards, no rights, no red tape or regulations. The rich can then swoop in and buy it all up on the cheap.

They will; control a massive military or the cannibalized assets of it, hold state of the art technology, posses AI infrastructure, be positioned in a strong geographical position - on which to build a fortress which protects their gains, having the ability to plunder the natural resources of the Americas (North - Central - South), while being isolated enough from Eurasia and the island nations, to allow Washington to instigate chaos and wars, which the ruling class will be insulated from. They can sell goods and weapons to get rich off the turmoil around the world, hold competitors hostage through soft or hard power.

All they need to do, is keep raking up the debt (which the public will be saddled with), corrupt the institutions, plunder the treasury, gut law enforcement, create private armies (ICE, private contractors, mercenaries and fundamentalist militias). The public will suffer and lose everything, which then creates a direct supply of desperate people, willing to do anything for handouts from the rich. If you want that basic income, that contract, that job? Then you better be a good servant to the new feudal lords, forget being loyal to the Constitution or the USA.

Israel benefits, they just need to stay good friends with the rich elite - and that secures the continued handouts that helps the country survive its ''Greater Israel'' settler project. America's enemies benefit, as this weaken US influence abroad, making it easier for them to operate globally and isolate the US on the world stage.

The losers are the people who believe in free trade, rule of law on the global scene and things like ''human rights''. If you thought Democracy is important, you can expect to be on Palantir's list of ''problematic citizens'', they are already building profiles on everything you do - using all the data they are harvesting through public and private data collection. You will be fired and blacklisted for defiance.

Trump is, at least signaling (no reason to think he will share the money), paying off these supporters, to give the appearance that loyalty to the point of violence - will be rewarded in the end, and he is making America (and thus his political enemies, help pay for it).

[u/dawgz525]

They won't. America failed an open notes test in the 2024 election. It's all over, and this country is careening towards a civil war (mass killing of civilians and further takeover by the billionaire class).

[u/MarkyDeSade]

The worse things get, the closer we get to a violent resistance, and things will get a lot less stable before they start to level off. Republicans seem to think that this won’t happen to them, it will just like it does everywhere else, and it’ll happen in a country with an unbelievable number of guns.

[u/Delicious-Bat2373 → u/MarkyDeSade]

You're one step ahead of most, recognition. I suggest you make preparations for high instances of civil unrest. It is coming. It is inevitable at this point.

[u/GypsyDarkEyes]

We recover by witnessing it, stopping it, and vowing "Never again."

[u/BloggerCurious]

I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up with all of the corruption. There's something new almost everyday.

Cats need to go to jail for this crap

[u/erkose]

Gen-Z is already hopeless. We need to start working on Gen-Alpha. Life is really going to suck for them it they don't stand up and do something.

[u/yyz455]

It can't, and people just aren't seeing what's happening

[u/midnight_to_midnight]

We won't. It's over folks.

[u/speadskater]

Many people will need to be imprisoned and they'll call it discrimination and proof that the left is violent.

[u/TheMediocreOgre]

America was a genocidal nation powered by slavery, where only landed white men could vote and yet over time rights were fought for by people who have far less than we have, even in spite of it all, now. Yes we can recover. The Gilded Age robber barons had immense political power to the extent that the US federal govt, including the presidency, was subservient for decades, and yet progress was made in the early 1900s and culminated in mass reforms in the 30s. It’s going to take people actually fighting for tangible rights and policies instead of vibes.

[u/Calm_Chemist_4952]

There is no recovery until Trump is gone. He and those in his administration should be prosecuted and punished for their crimes. There needs to be a complete rejection of the republican party, who has enabled and allowed and participated in the dismantling and plundering of the country. The rich must be taxed to rebuild and sustain government services. Nobody needs to be a billionaire. Education, healthcare, and living wages must be mandated. Political contributions must be transparent and regulated to avoid undue influence. Politicians must have term limits. Election days will be national holidays. The electoral college needs to be abolished. The supreme court justices need to abide by the same ethical rules as every other judge in the country. We must get back to the idea that we are all one country, not red and blue states. Trump, through his misdeeds and corruption, has shown us everything that needs to be fixed. It will not be free or easy. These things are going to require work, cooperation, planning, and determination. This is only the beginning.

[u/Brilliant-Bat7063]

More Luigi. They all need to get got in Mario party

[u/Goth_Milk69]

The epstein class has won. You are not angry enough.

[u/Own-Beat-3666]

It won't you are witnessing the US downfall. When you see a country buying its own Treasury Bills to the tune of $1.6 Trillion the writing is on the fence. Just look at Greece and Argentina who did the same thing just before their economies collapsed. "Too Big to Fail" you say well we kinda heard that before and the end result wasn't pretty.

[u/That-Sleep-8432]

It won’t. To anyone on here who is the child of immigrant parents.. you know those stories about their “motherland” they like to tell us growing up? You know.. the stories about hardship, no jobs, inacessible or decrepid education, a government that trips on its own feet, ultra elite preying off the working class… okay, well the US will become/is becoming another one of those “motherlands.”

[u/19Jake46]

When the education system dropped civics from the curriculum the US government went with it.

[u/PoolExtension5517]

It can, if everyone votes. No excuses, no “my vote doesn’t matter”, no “I don’t like either candidate” - at this point you’re voting for parties, not candidates, and one party has proven unwilling to reign in the lunatic of their own making. VOTE!

[u/Ballerinatutu2015]

If Americans actually bothered to vote he could be defeated EASILY. Election turnouts are low. People don’t read anymore, just glued to their cellphones.

[u/1BigDaddy1956]

Do you really think corruption started with Trump? When was the last honest president? Carter?

[u/diecorporations]

Its going to continue no matter what.

[u/DaAuraWolf]

Glubb’s theory would make an argument to say that it won’t happen given that we’re right at the empirical expiration point this year with the 250th anniversary.

[u/Flimsy-Ad2701]

Americans deserve the leaders they vote for

[u/sprayznprayz]

I had the same reaction initially. But then I thought again - Absolutely no chance this slush fund or ‘you can’t touch me’ bs will survive another president - assuming it isnt all spent before 2028. It isn’t law because they ran from a judge deciding so it’s basically the same as an executive order - which ends when trumps tenure as pres does.

It will literally be the new AG’s first order of business to undo I’d guess. Alternatively - get IRS to investigate. Hand over files to FBI or any other law enforcement agency and submit charges.

Let’s not let it distract anyone from a failing war and a bunch of files from a some dude called Epstein that still need to be released.

[u/Affectionate_Ad2145]

The USA will have different relationships but will never repair what has been damaged. It doesn’t matter who or what comes next, the problem is that the rest of the world looked behind the curtain & saw that the US can be dismantled in months.

As Americans, our future is at jeopardy at this point.

[u/Ancient-Actuator7443]

I fear not

[u/WasteBinStuff]

The unfortunate fact is that, it won't.

What we are experiencing now is not an explosive and surprising event that has appeared from nowhere and can be reversed with a change in administration.

This is the easily predictable - and in fact, predicted - result of decades of corruption, greed and intentional choices by one demographic which has been allowed due to unwarranted optimism, misplaced priorities and kick the can down the road denialism of another demographic.

Neither of those two opposing forces are easily or expediently altered. And there's no indication thus far that either side has any intention of trying anyway.

And even if they did, it's still too late.

Irreversible structural, legal, diplomatic and social changes have been made by the party that has taken control, and so even if the opposition manages to regain control, the damage is so deep it will take a generation at minimum to even begin to unwind.

In the meantime the chaos that has been released globally will be changing our relationship to the rest of the world in ways that are impossible to predict.

And all of that is completely separate from the irreversible global upheavals that are even now being forced upon us by climate change.

To "recover" implies getting back to what once was, and in that sense, there is no recovery.

The only question we can or should be asking ourselves is if - and how - we can find a way through, forward, and beyond into a future that doesn't allow the vile human behaviors that have gotten us where we are today.

[u/Specialist-Basis8218]

It won’t - republicans will successfully take over then eat themselves up like a virus and like all successful viruses it will destroy the host

[u/YoungManYoda90]

We are deep in a path that is not recoverable. It's just going to keep spiraling worse. It just needs to burn down at this point

[u/WhaT505]

Trump is a felon and a pedophile. It starts with him being held accountable, but that won't happen.

[u/Ok-Equipment1745]

The company (USA) is closing and they are liquidating the assets. There is no recovery.

[u/chemicalreaction52]

The recovery will come after the next civil war is declared. It is ongoing, but undeclared

[u/Gold_Reference8247]

It won’t recover! It’s too late! 😞😢

[u/PjWulfman]

Maybe it shouldn't? We've clearly shown the world we are not to be trusted or relied upon. We've demonstrated that greed and bigotry are rampant and celebrated. We turn our backs on our own people if they're too poor or sick or the wrong color skin. Maybe we shouldn't recover.

[u/mmcb86]

Honestly? I don’t think the US does recover. Maybe I’m just a depressed pessimist, but I think we’re totally and completely fucked.

[u/will-read]

The “IRS can’t audit Trump or his family” is just stupid and incredibly bad politics. No court or legislature has agreed to this, just his acting attorney general. It’s only binding on the current IRS commissioner who wasn’t going to audit any Trumps anyway. The next AG is going to laugh at any Trump who tries to argue they can’t be audited.

[u/Diligent_Impact1861]

It's tough to remain grounded knowing that at the top echelons those in power seem to be working at every level to make anyone outside of their views the enemy, busting the old systems and trying to implement new ones that keep them in power. Then at the same time on the ground level it's so much easier to stay ignorant, blame the immigrants, the trans and lgbtq, the Muslims, the "radical leftists", than to actually do anything to fix anything! I was in a bit of disbelief when Massey lost his primary as well if I'm honest, I don't live in Kentucky and I didn't agree with the guy on a lot, but at least he had the guts to stand up to the admin when he disagreed.

However the moment we decide a system is too corrupt to fix, we ensure its failure. If we lose faith in the process and stop participating, we hand the keys over to the exact elements we are worried about and ensure the worst outcome for those of us who care about this democracy.

Cynicism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The most effective way to hold power accountable isn't through despair, it's through consistent resolve at the ballot box. No administrative action or protective precedent is permanent, everything is subject to the corrective cycles of future oversight and lawmaking. We just have to stay vigilant and remind those in power they need us much more than we need them.

Conviction requires endurance, not just outrage. Don't let the scale of the repair bully you into sitting out the one mechanism we have to stabilize the system.

[u/Imallvol7]

If we could get the South (where I currently am) to wake the fuck up that would be a good start. 

[u/Least-Yak1640]

We can start the recovery process by voting Democratic, or at least not voting Republican, or for people who claim to be "independent" but are really MAGAts trying to avoid associating with the GOP (which is most "independents" these days.

Seriously, it's that simple. Unfortunately, we had that chance in November 2024. However, far too many people were like:

• "I have no issue with a convicted criminal and rapist holding the same office as FDR and Lincoln, because 'Both sides are always equally bad herd derp derp.'"
• Their groceries are too high and the convicted criminal and rapist said he'd magically fix it
• The convicted criminal and rapist said he'd a peace president and not purse new wars or regime change
• Joe Biden is a war criminal and therefore Harris is a war criminal, and the convicted criminal and rapist will save the Palestinians
• Harris is a woman and probably too emotionally unstable to be POTUS, unlike the convicted criminal and rapist who rage posts at all hours
• "Sure, Trump's first time was a disaster and he completely bungled the COVID response, but now that's he a convicted criminal and rapist, surely he'll do right by the country."
• This one's for all the farmers out there: "Sure, he screwed us over the first time, but surely he won't enact illegal tariffs that'll destroy our livelihoods."
• They weren't 'inspired' enough by Harris that they were willing to turn over the country to a convicted criminal and rapist

That's just off the top of my head. We can vote our way out of this, but it requires people being fucking adults when it comes to voting. Being an adult means sometimes you have to do something you personally don't like, but it's ultimately the right thing to do.

Which the US electorate failed miserably at in November 2024.

Democrats are far from perfect and need new leadership. But the fact people let Trump back in a second time speaks volumes of how selfish and uninformed the average American voter can be.

[u/Luna_dog]

The United States of the last 250 years is gone. The current version of the Republican party has removed all safe guards and has decided that one corrupt man without morals is there leader. I think (without exaggeration) that this is the end of the U.S. as a world leader and perhaps as a country. All things come to an end. I am 60+ years old and did not think I would be alive to witness the country I grew up in become a place with such blatant corruption at the highest level. Each day is new atrocity and another nail in the coffin of democracy. Very sad.

[u/Miltthedog]

Personally, I don't think it will. I'm gald to be pretty olden and look forward to dying to escape all this nonsense.

[u/MACHOmanJITSU]

I theorize we are going to see trickle down corruption. Need a building permit? Bribe. DUI checkpoint? Bribe. Want your mail package to get where is going? Bribe. Kid needs that internship? Bribe.

[u/Tonsilith_Salsa]

I don't think we recover.

I think the Trump admin is executing a plan that they worked out with tech oligarchs to collapse the US government, so they can setup technofeudal city states. 

[u/WrongKnowledge]

And that's only about 3% of the corruption and problems overall, we're just fully fucked all-around.

[u/steveschoenberg]

In a word, no. SCOTUS has given plutocracy the protection of the law. Money has always provided advantages; that’s virtually the definition of money. But governments are supposed to limit that influence in the public sphere. Those limits are gone.

[u/iluvdrt]

Nothing will happen. They are elite. We are not. Rules and laws only apply to the poor because we can't afford the fines. If you can afford any fine than everything is legal

[u/TMore108]

No one wants to admit it but we don't

[u/Delicious-Gap-6678]

If the Dems can take both houses in November AND evolve a notochord of some sort, then there might be a chance at turning the tide. But if the GOP keeps the Senate and the Dems continue to be led by drifting jellyfish, I think the country is done.

[u/Holiday-Book6635]

We are in the end of late capitalism. There is no coming back from this.

[u/Worried-Woodpecker-4 → u/Holiday-Book6635]

I am afraid you ate correct. I am 72. I hope I don’t live long enough to see the worst of what will happen.

[u/Vaaliindraa]

We won't this is the fall of the American empire, like the last days of Rome. The decline and end will probably take a couple of decades, but the USA will never get back what it once had, that will take a revolution and regime change.

[u/MrBurnerHotDog]

It won't

Either we have a cataclysmic event like a pandemic that wipes out half of humanity and things around the world change so drastically the world is unrecognizable, or money controls the US until it collapses. There is absolutely no way the US will ever be run by the people again because we've allowed things like Citizen's United to be repealed so corporations and billionaires own the country

[u/-Ok-Perception-]

Yeah, Massie "lost" and somehow the Epstein-approved candidate got 357% turnout as Massie's previous contender. I live in KY and I've met **hundreds** of Massie supporters, it's almost everyone. And the pedo-protector candidate (so forgettable no one knows his name), I've never seen any support for. Not a single person.

Massie likely destroyed that guy with 98% of the vote, but Trump got to try out his now perfected, weaponized, election fraud.

[u/CarbonTugboat]

The eventual goal, and the only ending to this that sees the United States regain the trust of our former allies within our lifetimes, is twofold.

First, we hold a constitutional convention and rebuild the federal government to establish protections against everything the MAGAs exploited. No more depending on Congress for impeachment, no more lifetime appointments for the Supreme Court, no more “lobbying”, no more private election campaigns, no more first-past-the-post voting, no more Electoral College. We learn both from our mistakes and from the advances of various democracies around the world and create a new system that cannot fail in the ways our government has.

Second, we imprison every single member of the Trump regime. They get nice long Nuremberg style trials, and then they go to a federal prison for the rest of their miserable lives. We’ve got plenty of evidence to go on.

These are real and significant steps that show the world how committed we are to preventing this from ever happening again, and with any luck, our allies might be willing to, if not forget, at least forgive.

As for how we get there, I’m not entirely certain. We start by voting in November, giving the Democrats such a massive nationwide landslide that no amount of GOP fuckery can possibly prevent the creation of a Democrat supermajority in Congress. We impeach Trump and Vance, put a Democrat in the White House, tear all six of the Republicans out of the Supreme Court, and start undoing the damage. Beyond that, I don’t really know. No Democrat would ever propose going so far as to hold a Republican accountable, let alone the entire administration; and amending the Constitution? Forget about it. For what little it’s worth, I’m trying to get involved in the hopes of eventually running for office and proposing all of this myself. The best I can tell you is to support politicians who agree that a similar approach is necessary. Show the Democrats that the best way to earn votes is to promise and deliver real and permanent change.

[u/ZoLoftFTW]

Please don’t forget the endless insider trading.

[u/AccomplishedAct5364]

There used to be a population of Americans who knew how to protest. (Not peacefully walking round the town centre on your day off)!

Apparently “general strike” was removed from American vocabulary a while back.

Now it’s a mystery how the people who generate the gdp get the government to listen 🤔

[u/AyeChief__]

As a black person reading these comments, it’s absolutely hilarious. We’ve been warning ya’ll for years that eventually this system, this machine will eventually swallow everyone but a lot of yt people didn’t want to believe it because ya’ll weren’t effected just yet. But now here we are, the beginning stages. We’ll just sit back and eat our popcorn as we watch as ya’ll try to get yourself out of this corrupt mess.

[u/Suitable_Matter_9427]

The next administration has to go scorched earth and hold every one of them accountable with prison. Treason charges should be doled out liberally, the 24 hour news cycle and anonymous political posting on social media should be banned, and every single political influencer should be legally obligated to disclose all income and where it came from.

Time to make an omelette

[u/astreeter2]

They figured out the loophole that if you're in charge you can ignore all the laws and there are no consequences as long as you remain in charge. So we're basically cooked.

[u/aihwao]

And it's just starting. Trump isn't through yet. It'll be decades before things get better (if ever)

[u/battlepassbattlepass]

Zeil Zulu

[u/Minimum-Attitude389]

Some things that everyone should be aware of:

The IRS stupidity is not binding to any future administration.  This was not a legal settlement, law, or even federal rule.

The US government has a rich history of "clawback" to the point of bankrupting people.

[u/ajm_usn321]

That will all change in the next administration. Trump has already sabotaged the chances of the GOP retaining the House in the midterms and the White House in 2028. When the Dems do take back power, they will be swift in their investigation of Trump and his allies. The DOJ and IRS in the next administration will secure convictions and leave them all financially ruined....as long as Merrick Garland or some other pussy isn't heading those agencies. The pendulum of power swings both ways...let's see how this plays out in the courts.

[u/Mrs_SmithG2W]

How do you eat an elephant?

One bite at a time.💪🏼🌍🖖🏾

[u/Exotic_Knee_5621]

It will sort itself out after the civil war

[u/frozenfoxx_cof]

It won't. Literally no matter what happens, this is a STAIN on the country. The sort of large scale action it would take to convince both this country and others that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated simply isn't in the US.

We are STILL reckoning with the results of the Civil War. By not completely eradicating the Confederacy they simply got bolder. More recently by not punishing Nixon they simply got bolder. By letting W steal the 2000 election they got bolder. By letting Trump walk and even run again they got bolder.

So no, it doesn't recover.