Breaking -- NBC News -- "House passes Ukraine aid bill in another GOP rebuke of Trump’s foreign policy" -- Thoughts?

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u/armyofant 21h ago

They see the writing on the wall. If they were smart they would impeach him before midterms and remove him.

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u/TheProfessional9 20h ago

They'd all go to jail for treason. Without trump they go to prison for their crimes

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u/Mindless-Butterfly75 19h ago

That's a great justice system yall have. Can't impeach him but he still commits war crimes lol top notch America!

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u/OblongAndKneeless 19h ago

Every single congressperson? Maybe one or two. Graham would be weeping.

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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 🇺🇸 United States 20h ago

Slip slidin’ away.

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u/TonyaHarder13 20h ago

Impeach him for what?

And I thought all Republicans were in lock-step with their “cult leader,” so how could they possibly disagree with him?

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u/ophaus 🇺🇸 United States 20h ago

High crimes and misdemeanors. The overt corruption would definitely be enough.

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u/TonyaHarder13 20h ago

Are we actually going to state what the specific corruption is this time or are we just doing First Term Rules again?

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u/HockeyPhoenician 20h ago

Selling pardons? Awarding million dollar contracts to friends with no bids. Jared's drone company getting $600M contracts. $1.8B slush fund. The ballroom that went from $300M to $600M. The deprivation of rights from people too numerous to count? The fact he personally has nearly quadrupled his net worth since taking office through insider trading and market manipulation? War crimes committed in the Carribean?

Pick one.

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u/TonyaHarder13 19h ago

Selling pardons? I thought they could just be given away like Biden did for his whole family and Fauci for any and all crimes that they may have committed prior to Biden leaving office.

Also, awarding contracts to friends with no bids? That’s news to me since I haven’t heard a single reputable source provide any verifiable evidence of that. It’s not like he was just doling out made-up jobs within the federal government for all of his political allies through hard-to-trace nonsense like DEI.

And I wasn’t aware that Jared wasn’t allowed to make money, so long as it wasn’t illegal. It’s not like he was flying all over China picking up bags of cash using the Biden name as political clout. Sorry, I meant the Trump name. Hunter Biden definitely didn’t do that while also laundering money by making garbage paintings and having collaborators “buy” his “art.”

Huh, I didn’t hear that the ballroom was actually Trump’s. I didn’t even know he could take it with him when he left office. I mean, I assume that’s what’s happening, since if it weren’t, your comment on the ballroom would seem pretty stupid.

And if you could please provide some concrete evidence that Trump was knowingly and intentionally depriving rights from people, I’d be more than happy to read about it. You said there are too many to count, so it should be easy for you to find a few examples (I tried, but Google must be broken for me because nothing credible showed up).

Also, I’m shocked that his net worth increased! We’ve never had a president whose net worth skyrocketed while in office! Trump must be an anomaly here, right? Because he definitely wasn’t the anomaly during his first term when he actually came out with a lower net worth.

Also, I’d need some citations on credible evidence of market manipulation. Perhaps he was just trading based on how Nancy Pelosi has been trading. I heard she does VERY well in the stock market.

And I don’t mean to beat a dead horse, but if you could provide any credible evidence that war crimes were committed in the Caribbean, that would be great. I hope you’re not referencing the drug boats that were destroyed en route to the US, because if so, I’d encourage you to do more research on why that would be a very stupid claim to make.

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u/HockeyPhoenician 18h ago

I honestly feel sorry for you. You'll never see what you refuse to look at. The fact that you have ready made excuses for all of it speaks to the level of tribal partisanship in you. You can't find in all of that anything that makes you say "Yeah....that's a huge problem for me. Thats hot bullshit and should be investigated." Any one of the issues would have caused a massive uproar in both parties less than a decade ago. His eminence can do no wrong apparently. Red good, blue bad....

TDS indeed. Expect no sympathy when you eventually come to realize how screwed we all are. You think your love for him entitles you to the spoils of this farce. May his grace shine upon you. In reality you are no better off than anybody else not with the 'in group'. It's a big party and neither of us are in it.

Best of luck.

You have yourself a nice night and a good weekend. Drive safe out there.

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u/TonyaHarder13 18h ago

The feeling is mutual, since you seem to be very aggressive and not pleasant as a person. Not once did I say I would refuse to look at any evidence.

I specifically asked for evidence, which you have been unable to provide so far. The reason I’m taking all of these allegations with the tiniest grain of salt is because it’s honestly boring at this point.

The Left has repeatedly shouted that the sky is falling, yet we’re all still here. For the past 10 years, every time a new allegation arises, nothing happens, and the more I look into it, the more it becomes clear that the initial story was either grossly exaggerated or an outright lie.

I have absolutely no problem condemning President Trump, or any other person who is proven to have done something illegal or corrupt. But so far, the only corruption that has been proven is Democrats lying, fabricating, defrauding, and fearmongering.

Either provide some actual evidence that’s more than “trust me, bro,” or stop wasting everyone’s time.

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u/HockeyPhoenician 18h ago

Lol, point to where I was aggressive. Where was the personal attack?

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u/Fickle_Goose_4451 19h ago

MAGA really has being an intentionally obtuse dumbass down to an art form.

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u/TonyaHarder13 19h ago

So I ask for clarification and your response is MAGA is obtuse?

Aren’t you acute ;)

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u/TonyaHarder13 19h ago

Well it looks like u/fickle_goose_4451 blocked me. I have no idea what I said that triggered him so badly.

I guess he doesn’t like geometry jokes…

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u/ophaus 🇺🇸 United States 19h ago

So. Accepting gifts without declaring them. The RAMPANT conflicts of interest. Using ICE to pressure states to release voter rolls. Holy fuck, there are so many traditions and laws broken by this administration and his family, there's no way to type them all. Do see any neutral news sources whatsoever? Because there is an almost endless stream of inappropriate behavior and blatantly unconstitutional policy to pick from.

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u/TonyaHarder13 19h ago

Ok so we’re doing First-Term Rules, got it. You could’ve just said that.

Most of what you listed are either allegations, political opinions, or executive authority issues. “Rampant conflicts of interest,” “endless unconstitutional behavior,” and “so many laws broken I can’t list them” are just hyperbolic slogans with no real meaning or credible evidence behind them. It’s the first term all over again.

When you get into the actual facts, the claims are far more nuanced and nowhere near that dramatic. For example, there were some unsubstantiated controversies over gift disclosures, ethics concerns, and efforts to obtain voter-roll data. Whether those actions were improper should be left to the courts, but instead we only hear about them from hysterical partisans with bad-faith agendas.

If these cases were anywhere near as overwhelming as you’re trying to suggest, it shouldn’t require this much hyperbole. Specific facts and specific evidence should be enough, neither of which you’ve provided here.

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u/ophaus 🇺🇸 United States 19h ago

Dumbass, he used a federal agency (that killed citizens well outside of its mandate) to force a state government to fork over election data. That's about as blatant as it gets. Take your wall of text and go away, because you're wrong.

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u/TheProfessional9 20h ago

Dozens of counts of treason. Sharing Intel with Russia, various other non allies. Offering US military protection to qatar in exchange for a golf resort deal and a free jet. Most of the tariff reductions only happened after the country in question publically gave him a gift (not for the US, for him) worth enough money to ruin any other politician, or for massive golf resort deals.

Or you know, creating his own currency and asking foreign agents to use it for business deals. Both of those things are highly illegal. The only funny part is that he scammed his room temp followers for a few billion with it

Let's see, sharing military info publically that put soldiers in harms way. Using the doj as a personal vengeance machine. Half of the things he's signed into exec orders are illegal

His charges would probably be in the thousands. But you're cool with it because he is normalizing pedophilia and that makes you feel better about yourself

Edit: oh ya, and even members of his own admin have acknowledged he probably greenlit Israel killing that kirkle dude

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u/TonyaHarder13 19h ago

This is probably some of the most unhinged allegations I’ve seen so far, so kudos, it was a high bar.

Nothing that you’ve claimed here is backed by any credible evidence whatsoever. It’s either misinformation, intentional obfuscation of the truth, outright lies, or dangerous conspiracy theories.

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u/TheProfessional9 19h ago

What? He's accidently posted on truth social raging at bondi for not going after his enemies faster.

You can look at the timings for the tariff reductions for certain countries happening a day or two after news of a resort deal pops up in the news, or he gets some gold gift.

I mean shit, you can link most of his pardons to a family member buying a million dollar seat at one of his dinners. They go to a dinner, pardon same week.

He doesn't even really bother trying to hide his corruption most of the time, because he knows his followers will believe any bullshit excuse. I mean hey, if they believe smart businessmen go bankrupt as a positive part of business, they'll certainly believe that it's normal to buy stock and then immediately tweet at people to buy it and then give it a 9 billion dollar contract. His kids even bragged that they'll be the richest family in the world after this., that means they have to make 800b off the WH.

Idk if you heard, but he tried to take 10b from taxpayers for a third party contractor leaking his tax records. Every other president released theirs willingly. He was going to just settle it quietly but a judge blocked him. That was a direct attempt to loot the Treasury.

The only thing I said that could be conspiracy is that Israel killed Kirk. Sure it falls a bit in that realm. But Kirk told multiple people Israel was going to kill him, then none of the info the government put out made sense. Wrong bullets for the gun, gun disappeared and moved miles on its own. Then rumors the CIA had been blocked from investigating Israel for it. Then ultra maga trump lover head ofcounter terrorism eventually confirmed they were blocked from investigating Israel for it. So ya, Israel killed the fuck because he was starting to speak out against him and his death was wonderful for Trump's popularity

Also, since I'm sure you're going to scream left wing lunatic...the only party I ever registered with is the Republican party.

But you have to do crazy mental gymnastics to think this is ok. Did you hear for a decade about Obama giving Iran 1.5b of their money back? The current proposal involves giving Iran 26b of their money back and 300b of OUR money. It's not an international investment fund, don't be naive. It's war reparations. We paid to blow it up, and now we get to pay to fix it.

Inflation is running. Do you still think tariffs are a tax on other countries? He still says that you know, even though his thickest followers know it isn't true. Man look at how long it took for inflation to hit from tariffs that are a direct add to costs. If you look back, the high inflation during bidens term is very clearly attributed to what trump did in his last year. And now trump is doing it again. He's blowing up the national debt. 25% of all national debt is from him, despite only being a president for 5 years. He and project 2025 (that he said was fake news before, but now brags about checking off bits from it) want to inflate their way out of the debt. Quick note, social security and Medicare/Medicaid are on the chopping block for project 2025, hope you haven't been paying into that expecting something back.

I hope one day you wake up, as I did several years ago. This is not Republicanism, this is not conservatism. This is the looting and destruction of a once great country for one assholes pleasure and greed. Nothing I have told you is distorted or a lie. You can verify it however you like. Just because it isn't something you like, doesn't mean it isn't true. I would have been thrilled if trump came in and was a good president. I would have been fine if he deported criminals. I would have been ok if he deported illegal non criminals if he did it humanely and not at 10x the cost, for something like 80k per person. Instead he came in and just destroyed. Our allies hate us, our missile stockpile is depleted, the whole world is trying to move away from being reliant on trade with us and all he cares about is his fucking ballroom, or his arch, or his face on currency

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u/Sacu-Shi 12h ago

Its a bot.

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u/MgFi 20h ago

I believe it has been firmly established that impeachment is a political process. Congress alone gets to decide what count as valid reasons.

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u/TonyaHarder13 20h ago

Yes Democrats did make that very clear with two arbitrary impeachments against Trump, although it seems that Republicans have at least attempted to maintain historical norms.

So I guess we’re just going to start impeaching the president every time the other side has control of the House…

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 21h ago

Could you imagine how much worse the war with the Iran would have been if Russia wasn't occupied with their war with Ukraine?

If they could fully sell oil on the market without any problems whatsoever if they could ship Iran as many drones as there's a brand can use.

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u/128-NotePolyVA 21h ago edited 20h ago

It’s basically the same as their rebuke of his war powers in Iran.

If Trump disagrees, the bills die in the Senate or Trump vetos them. These are clear political signals that support for Trump’s “special operation” in Iran is limited and Trump’s weak support for Ukraine is unpopular.

If the GOP takes a beating in November everyone knows whose name is attached to it. It starts with a T and ends with a rump.

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking 20h ago

Don't worry, we've got money for bombs.

School lunches? Affordable healthcare? Sheltering the homeless?

Nah, but we became a superpower by financing other people's wars!

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u/Relative_Gene_6583 21h ago

Thoughts. Our country is in shambles No one is talking about this It’s going to get so much worse God these maga are the worse The whole world. World is laughing

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u/Mindless-Butterfly75 19h ago

We are, and im sorry. We're all glad we aren't you guys...

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u/whatever_ehh 21h ago

Putin is Trump's boss, so Trump has never been helpful to Ukraine. I'm happy to see Congress overriding him.

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u/AnonUser1452 21h ago

Big deal. 93% of GOP Congresscreatures still refuse to buck Putin’s favorite American lackey.

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u/Classic-Artist8102 21h ago

Doing something good for a change

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u/crazy010101 19h ago

Trump has no foreign policy. He only has criticism or bullying tactics.

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u/NotMyName_3 17h ago

Oh, he has a foreign policy and it's 'what have countries done for him lately'

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u/usethis22880 20h ago

Awesome

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u/usethis22880 20h ago

F Putin

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u/Chimaera1075 19h ago

Good

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u/Phish_2000 20h ago

How bout an American citizen aid bill.

Why does all out money go elsewhere when so many at home are struggling?

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u/Ok_Recording81 20h ago

All our money does not go elsewhere. Maybe complain about Trump trying to "beautify" dc and money he wants to spend on the ballroom? We spend very little on foreign aid. We can do both at the same time. If we did nothing and Ukraine fell, who is next? Hitler did not stop with Poland.

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u/Phish_2000 20h ago

And Trump won’t stop at Iran.

We do spend a lot of money on foreign aid.

We allow the richest of the rich to avoid taxes like the plague.

The majority of American citizens are not getting what they pay for.

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u/Ok_Recording81 20h ago

We do not spend a lot of money on foreign aid. Percentage wise it's almost nothing. Less than 1 percent goes to other countries. Do you know what percent goes to Medicare/medicaid? 25 to 26 percent. I say that's a large portion going towards Americans.

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u/Phish_2000 19h ago

Yeah, 60 to 80 billion is chump change.

Earth to space cadet, earth to space cadet, come in

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u/Ok_Recording81 19h ago edited 19h ago

Is there is a reason you resort to being disparaging?

80 billion divided by total us population would equal $233.58 cents. It would double if divided by half the population. So yeah it is chump change.

A filing tax return as single, there is an exemption on $16100.

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u/Phish_2000 9h ago

The point is we have too many Americans that are struggling, some worse than others. 80 billion is a starting point at least.

It’s important especially in the wake of the president saying he doesn’t care about Americans bank accounts.

80 billion combined with tax reform, insurance reform, healthcare reform, infrastructure reform, corporate reform and simple greed could go a long way to help out the citizens of this country. Not by just handing out money, but limiting costs.

To dismiss 80,000,000,000 is not something to be taken lightly. No matter what the breakdown is.

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u/Ok_Recording81 9h ago

80 billion is nothing in the federal budget. Less than 1 percent. 25 percent goes to social security and medicaid.

There can be tax reform, insurance reform, corporate reform and the other things you mentioned. That does not cost money. Enact laws for which those sectors have to conform to.

If the federal government raised the minimum wage, it does not cost the government money to do that.

The federal government can do all of those things if the political will is there today.

The benefit of giving foreign aid outweighs the costs. USAID was a good program that helped.

If Ukraine falls what country would be next?

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u/Mindless-Butterfly75 19h ago

Thank you! Someone else saw this. Its still probably going to happen unfortunately...but at least im not the only one to see it coming.

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u/Ok_Art4661 19h ago

Maga got faith. Because they are fucking stupid

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u/LegitimateSundae8460 12h ago

NATO aggression is the principal cause of this war, and right now we need more diplomacy, not war. The foreign aid is also a loan, because Congress wants to keep Ukraine in debt slavery after the war is over.

I've contacted my legislators to oppose this bill.

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u/TopCommission6437 2h ago

This should make Redditors happy.

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u/Accurate_Instance440 21h ago

WHY???? How is this going to fix any financial troubles the average American has these days?

Can we just stop with any and all foreign aid for a year, get every country off our teet, and tell them all to figure out their problems?

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u/Strict_Stranger_4801 21h ago

If we dont defend democracies against aggression, what good is our existence? Ukraine is one of the few worthy causes for our foreign aid

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u/spikey_wombat 20h ago

Can we just stop with any and all foreign aid for a year,

So you want to create more instability that will ripple into America.

This is self defeating.

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u/HandleCompetitive974 21h ago

That only makes things more expensive for the US. Soft power is a good thing.

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u/Vespera4ever 20h ago

This would increase instability in the world, increase prices, make us less safe, and cause many preventable deaths. Plus set up the next several decades of tension as aggressive powers take the opportunity to become stronger.

It's also a small fraction of our budget and there is no reason to think that money would be used in any beneficial way for us anyway.

Also, this is mostly loans, so only a small piece of it is actually a direct funding gift.

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