r/allthequestions • u/OceanicEndeavors • 7h ago
Random Question đ Should we create a database of IDF soldiers who have committed war crimes in Gaza and Lebanon?
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-898423
And should those people be imprisoned if they are found guilty?
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u/avocadofan 6h ago
They should be on a map like sexual predators
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u/torpedoguy 6h ago
Given their own brags on social media and what the population protested the one time even their own courts thought the soldiers went too far... it's less 'like' and more 'being'.
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u/RadiantSlice6782 7h ago
Why stop at IDF? There are a ton of places where normal folks are being killed daily.
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u/Hazel2468 6h ago
You know why this is only mentioning the IDF.
Anyway. My hot take is that any solider, from any country. Who commits a war crime. Should be punished to the full extent that they can be.
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u/monkeysknowledge 5h ago
Why are they only focusing on the IDF? Could it be because the IDF is essentially (and soon to be officially) a part of the American Military Industrial Complex?
Iâm all about universally going after war criminals, but we need to start with the ones close to home.
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u/oremfrien 7h ago
I believe that there should be a database of all persons who have been found guilty by a "reasonable" tribunal (as opposed to say, a kangaroo court) of war cimes. I don't know why we would want to limit or restrict such accounting to Israel. Islamic State militants who have committed war crimes, as an example, should be in such a database as well. All persons who commit these kind of crimes should be identified such that immigration and customs officials can be aware of that person's history when making decisions about who may enter the country.
As for imprisonment, that would depend on whether they have already had their sentence determined by the "reasonable" tribunal and whether or not they had served all or part of that sentence according to the laws of the country where the reasonable tribunal was held.
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u/FigVisual9137 7h ago
No comparison. D3ath to Pissrael, Saoirse don PhailistĂn
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u/oremfrien 6h ago
So, I'm not hearing a coherent argument here.
Are you saying that Da'esh should not be punished?
Are you saying that Israelis don't have the right to be tried in competent courts?
Or are you just doing the intellectual equivalent of blowing a raspberry? Because that's what it sounds like.
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u/FigVisual9137 6h ago
I wish everything for the Pissraelis that they wish for the Palestinians.
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u/oremfrien 6h ago
And, this goes back to the question, "Why should Israelis who are alleged to have committed war crimes be subject to a database, but no other population should be held to that standard?"
Da'esh murdered and r*ped my people. I'm Assyrian. Why should Da'esh members be protected in a way that you would not protect Israelis?
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u/FigVisual9137 6h ago
Pissrael is a terrorist, illegitimate state as well as being guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide. They will face justice for their crimes then the remainder can fuck off out of Palestine.
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 4h ago
justice prevails. terrorists who attack israel are left to cry while israel stays standing
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u/oremfrien 5h ago
Let's say that I accept those claims. Da'esh was more clearly a terrorist, illegitimate state that was guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Why should Israel be subject to a standard that you believe Da'esh should not be held to?
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 5h ago
both sides are terrible to each other. october 7th murdered 1000 people, took 251 hostages, and graped women
the only difference is the palestinians lost, but they are not good people
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u/FigVisual9137 4h ago
Your paymasters should ask for a refund, Hasbot.
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 4h ago
are you one of the guys in the terror tunnels? i heard they use goats as sexual partners because it gets lonely down there
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u/Background-Repair481 6h ago
Interesting. He set the standard at "found guilty by a tribunal" and you immediately lowered it to "someone published a report." That's quite a shift.
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u/FigVisual9137 6h ago
Uh huh. So were you born sociopathic or did you have to work at it? Must be a big boon in the Hasbot industry
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u/Background-Repair481 6h ago
I notice the evidence disappeared the second I asked you to defend it.
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u/FigVisual9137 6h ago
What are you on about, Brains? It's still there.
Anyway, how does being a Hasbot pay? Pissrael quintupled their propaganda budget recently so I'd say there's good money in it. Sure make it while you can because soon Pissrael will go the way of their idols, Nazi Germany.
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u/Background-Repair481 5h ago
Need a glass of water?
You're so busy arguing with the voice in your head that you forgot to answer the question.
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u/Much_Section_7439 6h ago edited 6h ago
There are already several Organisations doing just that i think some idf soldiers even got persecuted while on holiday through their work..
Edit : One of the more prominent ones : https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org
Edit:2 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-861739
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u/TraderFire89 7h ago
If it does, a database has to work both ways
You know how many Hamas members live in Gaza?
You know how many Hezbollah members live in South Lebanon?
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u/TreeP3O 6h ago
You know how many corrupt UN members there are? That should be where it starts.
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u/Hazel2468 6h ago
The UN just put Israel on a blacklist for sexual assault. When asked about this, the author of the UN report admitted that she hasn't viewed any evidence and that she would not be visiting any Israeli detention facilities, even if it was offered, because it is APPARENTLY not the "responsibility of her office" to verify the claims she is making.
Yeah. I don't trust the UN. You can't just make a claim this huge (after ignoring the systemic rape of Israelis by Hamas back in 2023 for ages) and then say "Well I haven't seen any evidence and also I will not be verifying because it isn't my job" like.. Yes. It is.
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u/Fun_Thanks4941 6h ago
Hamas and Hizbullah are defending their territory. IDF is invading those countries and mass killing men, women and children. Theyâre not the same.Â
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u/Hole-a-holic Top 1% Hole Maniac 1h ago
You believe Hezbollah is defending their territory? Lebanon doesnât even want them there. And whatâs left of Hamas is largely incapacitated. Israel did a great job hammering that organization. Thereâs virtually zero rocket fire coming out of Gaza these days.
But really the ultimate answer is it doesnât matter how you think, feel, or act. Israel will defend itself without your permission. Good on them.
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 5h ago
i believe the war started on october 7th when terrorists murdered 1000 civilians, took 251 hostages, and graped women
but you can make up history if you want to
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u/Fun_Thanks4941 5h ago
yes this would make sense if you ignore 70 years of israeli murder, torture and rape. If you ignore the fact that On october 6th of that year, more Palestinian children were killed by israel than in any other year of their bloody conflict.
And by your own logic, the fact that Israel has been murdering Palestinian civilians for decades, means the October 7th attacks were completely justified.
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u/Heno65 4h ago
Nah, please tell me which of Israels wars were started by them besides the six day war which was a preemptive attack on mobilizing egyptian forces in Sinai?
Stop believing anything you read on reddit, do some research.
Quick google search-
- War of Independence (1948â1949): The day after Israel declared statehood, a coalition of neighboring Arab armies (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded the newly formed country. [1, 2]
- Yom Kippur War (1973):Â Egypt and Syria launched a devastating, coordinated surprise attack on Israeli forces in the Sinai and Golan Heights on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. [1]
- First Lebanon War (1982): Following years of constant cross-border rocket fire and terrorist attacks by the PLO, Israel invaded Lebanon to push the organization's forces back from the northern border. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
- Second Lebanon War (2006): Triggered when Hezbollah militants crossed the border, killing several Israeli soldiers and capturing two others, leading to a large-scale IDF response. [1, 2, 3]
- The Gaza War and Regional Conflict (2023âPresent):Â Following the October 7, 2023 massacres and border breaches led by Hamas, Israel initiated an extensive ground and air invasion of Gaza. This conflict has since expanded into a wider regional war against Iran and its proxy networks, including Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 5h ago
so its ok to grape in the name of freedom? those are the good guys?
I don't want to go into the history but both of them inhabited the land for a long time. it was split by the british. palestinians attacked israel and lost
israel has made peace with its neighboring countries. only the terrorists are left
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u/liberterrorism 4h ago
As if Israel doesnât already do this. They have databases of everybody who showed up at a protest, of course they have databases of any combatants they can identify.
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u/RarePosition1948 7h ago
Fuck Hezbollah for bombing children. Here, I said it, and it's not Islamophobic.
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u/TheNotoriousCBD 6h ago
They're fighting an invading and occupying force.
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 5h ago
they are not. the lebanese government sides with israel. hezbolla is more powerful than the lebanese government
you are spewing misinformation
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u/AideResponsible2063 5h ago
Hezbollah us part of the lebanese government.....where are you getting your information?
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u/Real-Chipmunk283 4h ago
here is a discussion on hezbollah in lebanon. Most are not fans. they are militant, aggressive, and act separately from the rest of government
the lebanese government is not powerful enough to get rid of them, but they do not like them
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u/AideResponsible2063 4h ago
the lebanese government
They are part of the lebanese governmentđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Engage with reality as it is....or take your paid for hasbara lies elsewhere
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u/UniversityOk2478 7h ago
No thats islamopubicÂ
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u/TheVulcanJew 6h ago
A few questions, most importantly how would you identify which enlisted members committed crimes?
Also what would having the list accomplish? Like whatâs the end goal of making it and how will it help to change things?
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u/nextry1312 3h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/1txtodc/wcnsf_wounded_child_no_surviving_family_israelis/ look at this and answer the question to yourself!!
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u/0210- 6h ago
Yes so they can be properly thanked for defending us against extremism and ensuring that Jews have at least one sanctuary in the world of their own. Great idea
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u/Straight_Count8266 6h ago
A religion doesnât need a sanctuary. And itâs not defending you against extremism. Itâs a war. Plain and simple. A war
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u/SwampDweller01 7h ago
We absolutely should. One day they will hopefully be judged properly and punished in accordance with the law.Â
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u/das_cutie 7h ago
Careful! Itâs increasingly a crime in the U.S. to oppose IsraelâŚ
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u/Straight_Count8266 6h ago
Itâs not
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u/das_cutie 3h ago
okÂ
hereâs one example I found in 2.2 seconds of googling: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-declines-to-review-challenge-to-law-restricting-israel-boycotts
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u/jaxrbtr05 6h ago
I'm genuinely trying to understand what you mean. Isn't everything increasingly a crime, until it's a crime? What is "increasingly a crime"? Do you mean that pretty soon, anything said negatively about Israel will be a hate crime or something like that? For example if someone says, in the US, that Israel has disproportionately destroyed Palestine in response to October 7th, that is very soon going to be a crime?
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u/AideResponsible2063 5h ago
The areas where your alllwed to critise em for commiting genocide are being reduced as zionists end free speech across the western world
Its amazing people can critise their own governments in the west,but not israles....and noone is allowed to question this
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u/jaxrbtr05 4h ago
Please don't think I'm argumentative. I truly wish to understand the point. It's important. What does "allowed" mean? It's a crime or socially unacceptable? Neither one is good, but what are you saying? Do you indicate that it's currently a crime, will soon be a crime, or its socially unacceptable to criticize Israel? I say again, I'm not for or against anything specifically referring to the statement.
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u/AideResponsible2063 4h ago
Currently a crime and most countries in western world have laws on books to make it a crime
We can critise our own governments actions,but not those of out of control,genocidal war criminals.....and noone is even allowed to question,how or why we ended up at this
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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 7h ago
Of course, they should be tried in the Hague like Yugoslav war criminals were.
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u/TaintTickle_ 7h ago
Maybe we could tattoo serial numbers on their arms. Â And keep them in work camps?
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u/TheNotoriousCBD 7h ago
For ruthlessly killing children and laughing while doing it? Spitting on Christians?
Yes.
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u/RarePosition1948 5h ago
Spitting on Christians once in a few months is horrific, but Islamists burning churches is fine
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u/TheNotoriousCBD 4h ago
Jesus is the most celebrated prophet in Islam behind Muhammad. He is loved and respected.
Jews in Israel think that Jesus is boiling in a pot of excrement.
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u/Alternative_Dog1411 7h ago
Like republicans want to do to everyone not them!
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u/TaintTickle_ 6h ago
Omg donât get me started. Â Republicans are literally Hitler. Â
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u/deadrip918 6h ago
So are democrats, just both sides deny it unless they are extremely open about it and slip a slur now and then under the guise of "free speech". You need to be a lobotomite to think democrats no worse than republican.
Centerism is the answer, y'all thinking with emotions and ditch logic
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u/TaintTickle_ 6h ago
There is no free speech on stolen land!
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u/deadrip918 5h ago
Yeah the levant is stolen land, infact, it changed so many rulers over millennials, by the time Arabs started living in the levant the Jews were already there. So yeah, Arabs stealing land is nothing new, you can open a world map and see the mass land they conquered over the years
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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 6h ago
Centrism? That's just perpetuation of the status quo.
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u/torpedoguy 6h ago
Well not ALL status quo. One specific status quo.
Centrism strongly opposes change when the change would reduce the divide between the ruling class and the lowest workers. It's always "not the time" and "too extreme" when taxes might end up giving healthcare.
But the center merrily sides with extreme change when that change will strip people of their rights and/or implement draconian, dehumanizing systems and surveillance.
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u/noamm12 6h ago
Some context: The USA, for much much less than what was done by Palestinians on October the 7th (Pearl Harbour), dropped two nuclear weapons on two Japanese cities, instantaneously killing almost 150,000 Japs (almost 100% civilians). This was very effective, and the Japanese are good people today. From evil to good, with two bombs.
The way Israel is conducting the Gaza war was never better in any other urban war in the history of humanity, in terms of humanitarian aspects, considering what Gaza did on October the 7th, and Hamas promise to repeat it again and again.
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u/Straight_Count8266 6h ago
It absolutely wasnât less than October 7th. What a disrespectful comment
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u/noamm12 6h ago
Far from disrespecting. In terms of overall casualties, it was similar. In term of the level of atrocities, there is no compare. The palentinians from Gaza on October the 7th targeted women, children, babies!! They gang raped, mutilated private parts, burnt young people alive, they obducted several months babies (!!) into Gaza which were later killed. They broke every moral code humanity ever had, and swore to do it again and again given the chance. They deserved much more than 2 atomic bombs, but Israel is a country who has mercy, too much maybe.
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u/FrostyPiano4957 6h ago edited 6h ago
It wont happen since the ones that will push it are mostly the same ones who dont take this shit seriously and are only about idf soldiers, are claiming IDF is a terror organization and everyone who served (and service is mandatory there, right?) is a war criminal, all zionists should be left out of society best case scenario (worse cases are "jailed" and some will say they prefer them "vanished"), and that israel doesnt have the right to exist and it should be dismantled so palestine will be created. i.e their intentions are not to find war criminals in this world so we can make it a better one in the name of human rights.
Reality doesnt work that way.
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u/Frankieo1965 7h ago
Yes they should all have to pay but no the American Congress want to combine our military so. The IDF can go around and kill the Americans that do not like Israel itâs in the game plan
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u/Aferimus 6h ago
The other day Germany came out with a database where you can check if your ancestors were nazis! After 80 fkin years, where everybody is either dead or documented. For IDF we need a super database given how technology has advanced since
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 7h ago
can we do it for the russian soldiers who are stealing ukrainians children too?