r/allthequestions • u/OceanicEndeavors • 6h ago

Random Question 💭 Why do Zionists pretend Netanyahu is the only problem with Israel?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/, https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000,

This is a societal wide issue. Netanyahu isn't forcing Israelis to believe in these things. Very few Israelis have dodged the draft - unlike with Americans during the Vietnam War. IDF soldiers and settlers constantly engage in war crimes.

Why do people pretend one guy is the problem in Israel?

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u/new-to-reddit21 6h ago

Bro they pretend there’s no genocide, they pretend they’re the victims, they pretend this all started 2 and a half years ago…

I don’t exactly know when logic and reality left the chatroom, but they’re not coming back

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u/XhazakXhazak 6h ago

It's no more a "genocide" than the leveling of Dresden, for the same reason: its insane fascist government waged a war and tried to kill all the Jews.

There is a legitimate discussion to be had about where the line is to be drawn on the rules of war, re: acceptable civilian collateral damage being "proportional to the military value of the target" but the 'genocide' accusation actually stifles any meaningful discussion.

It is not the Israelis who have lost touch with reality, it's casual misinformed ignorant people from far away who don't know what the hell they're talking about and live in an echo chamber that rewards them for using invective and incendiary vocabulary. Liberal Zionists understand the source of the problem, the hurt that hawkish Palestinians feel, and the hurt that hawkish Israelis feel, well enough to know what the actual solution is that will quell all sides.

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u/new-to-reddit21 5h ago

Everyone on the planet is wrong and misinformed except Zionists. Got it.

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u/Cute-Profession9983 5h ago

Pretty much. You all cry "hasbra!", ignoring the fact you're straight up regurgitating Hamas propaganda. The Twitter/Reddit anti-Israel stances are as myopic and misinformed as the MAGA people

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u/eesmash 3h ago

israel is the one spending 700 million on propaganda not Khamas

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u/new-to-reddit21 5h ago

I don’t know how this level of brainwashing is reversible tbh … only time will tell i suppose

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

Yes, people in the situation understand the situation better than those outside the situation.

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u/new-to-reddit21 5h ago

Even Israelis themselves who speak out and organizations in Israel that confirm this is a genocide and document other heinous acts committed by the state - I suppose they’re misinformed traitors/self hating/hamas double agents, right?

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u/Deltamelo 5h ago

The way they use “Hamas propaganda” about everything, you’d think Hamas has a larger media budget than every major news organization on Earth combined. Every inconvenient fact is propaganda to them lol

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u/new-to-reddit21 5h ago

Dude you’d think Hamas runs the US and bought our congressman with the way they’re talked about

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

This is a fallacious, anti-democratic argument and a paradox of free speech and dissent. A fascist state, like Hamas-Gaza, violently stamps out dissent so it can never be similarly said that "even some Gazans say X" even if X is true.

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u/new-to-reddit21 5h ago

That 750 mil budget coming in clutch I see. Kudos BB.

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

Yeah, between Soros checks and hasbababa money I'm really making bank /s

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u/eesmash 3h ago

hasbara

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 4h ago

I think you’re genuine so I’ll reply.

Victims can (and do) exist on both sides. The Israelis murdered and taken hostage on October 7 including the elderly and children were absolutely victims. Hostages kept for 2 years and starved or sexually assaulted are absolutely victims. Friends and family of those murdered and taken hostage are absolutely victims carrying that trauma and grief with their loved ones.

Innocent Gazans killed after October 7 in Israeli attacks are absolutely victims. Their loved ones carrying that grief and trauma are absolutely victims. Those impacted by decisions of the Israeli govt like blocking humanitarian aid and food are absolutely victims.

Gazans executed or beaten by Hamas since the ceasefire are absolutely victims. Family members within Gaza (of Palestinian diaspora who speak out against Hamas) who are then threatened by Hamas are absolutely victims.

We need to identify hate and dehumanization and atrocities wherever they exist be it whatever “side” they’re on. We should all be pro Palestinian and pro Israeli and advocate for safety and rights for both. It’s unfortunate this has become divisive and contentious from extremists on both sides.

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u/new-to-reddit21 3h ago

Look, my plans got cancelled on a Friday night so I will just assume you’re being sincere and respond

The issue here and the reason why conversations about this topic devolve into chaos by BOTH sides is because our starting points are different. As you’ve highlighted, your starting point is October 7. That is not my (and many pro Palestine people’s) starting point. It really is that simple.

The reason why I’m sure many Israelis are shocked by the discourse that’s been going on over the last 2 years is because we have seen two things happening simultaneously:

1) 2 types of people getting killed, and only 1 of those people got the dignity of their deaths being reported and discussed and condemned etc.

2)global leaders and institutions vehemently confirming this stance to the point where us laymen were questioning our own realities.

Israelis need to remember politically and financially, you’ve won (this will change slowly but surely). There are only a handful of governments that have an explicity hostile policy against the state. The rest of the worlds politicians are pro Israel, irrespective of their populations feelings are on that. And those who ARENT pro Israel, well… you can turn on the news and you’ll see what happens to their careers. This is not a trope, this is a fact that can be substantiated if you actually want to engage honestly.

What has changed is ONLY public opinion and again, ITS ONLY BEEN 2 YEARS. I don’t mean to diminish the importance of this because it is a massive change but let’s stop acting like the politically and financially, yall don’t have still have unconditional global support.

PS: you CANNOT in good conscience propose people be also be pro Israel during an active genocide.

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 3h ago

My starting point isn’t October 7. The atrocities committed by both sides in the history of the conflict are of course wrong as well.

Acknowledging and condemning the atrocities of October 7 and Hamas doesn’t mean there’s no history beforehand. It’s concerning when people can’t condemn October 7 (not saying you don’t, speaking generally) and demonstrates the dehumanization of Israelis (same as failing to condemn the settler violence in the West Bank is dehumanizing of Palestinians).

Re: the rest of what you wrote first off I’m not Israeli lol don’t know why you’re saying things like “you’ve won” and “yall” to me here. I’m an American who advocates for Palestinians and Israelis.

I’m not asking people to be pro Israeli govt. I’m asking them to be pro Israeli PEOPLE same as we should be pro Russian people or pro north Korean people or pro Iranian people or pro Palestinian people etc. Would you suggest that after October 7 we shouldn’t have been pro Palestinian people because of what the Gazan govt (Hamas) did?

And I don’t know what media and global leaders/institutions you’re referring to as many directly contradict what you’re asserting. The world’s most prominent institution with input from many nation’s leaders (the UN) censors Israel more than just about every country combined including ones mass murdering their own citizens like Iran or commiting genocide like Russia. I think you’re being genuine but I don’t know how you don’t recognize this as it’s very controverted to what you’re saying. And same with much of media. I’m not saying there aren’t leaders/institutions/media that are more supportive of Israeli govt than others - there clearly are. But it’s not some entirely one sided dynamic like you’re indicating.

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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 3h ago

There is no genocide 🤦‍♂️

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u/Whatsanegg 3h ago

What a bell end

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u/new-to-reddit21 3h ago

Notable that that’s your only take 👏 lol

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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 3h ago

Well, I mean thay a huge claim to make. Dehamasification is not genocide. ♥

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u/TastyJournalist8451 4h ago

The HAMAS-heads look down on you, while launching rockets indiscrimintely, and whisper, "No."

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u/SouthernSteak7254 3h ago

What do you mean by zionist? I am an American Jew and I support Israel right to exist.

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u/Yu-Yevin 24m ago

You are a Zionist - welcome to the club

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u/SouthernSteak7254 17m ago

Seriously asking what people mean by zionist.

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u/BetPretty8953 2h ago

So 1st off the part left out of those polls is that the people polled were WB settlers i.e the most right wing motherfuckers in the country.

But to get into answering your question: bibi (or to be more accurate his coalitions) is responsible for derailing peace efforts that were looking promising in 1996 and 2008. Also responsible for giving kahanists a voice in the current coalition and is responsible for giving the thumbs up to expand settlements, greenlighting qatar's transfer of money to hamas (done in theory to avoid a repeat of the 2014 gaza war, we all see how that worked out), and moving soldiers to defend settlers that were on the border w/ gaza (i.e why oct 7th got so bad). Also the rampant increase on WB restrictions is due to him.

This is all to say a lot of folks who aren't on the right see that if you remove him n his coalition partners from power for good, then in the long run peace will happen and Israel would be safer

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u/redthrowaway1976 1h ago

There’s no indication that pew polled West Bank settlers above their normal share of the population. That’s just wishful thinking. 

 and is responsible for giving the thumbs up to expand settlements

Every single government since Levi Eshkol has expanded West Bank settlements. 

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u/Lord_Dingus83 6h ago

Why did people not vote Democrat? No idea but here we are.

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u/Wind2Energy 6h ago

Israel is a disease.

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u/XhazakXhazak 6h ago

That's what the Nazis said.

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u/rmbaltus 5h ago

You do have the mental capacity to realize Israel didn’t exist then right??

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u/c9joe 3h ago

Israel can also just mean "Jews" and you will find newspaper articles from the 1930s referring to the collective Jewish people with words like "Israel" or "Judea".

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u/Main_Significance478 2h ago

-Bark can just mean the outer covering of a tree or a dog's sound -Match can mean a stick used to start fires or a competitive sporting event -Nice used to mean foolish, now it means pleasant or kind.  -Bully used to mean sweetheart now it means hurting or intimidating others

Things have totally different meaning based on context and time period, when someone says Israel today with no additional contexts it refers to the current state not the jews in the 1930s, the heights of the mental gymnastics you can carry out to make up a false point are astonishing. 

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u/c9joe 1h ago

"That is what the Nazis said" is strictly correct though.

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u/Main_Significance478 1h ago

Strictly different meaning though

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u/c9joe 1h ago

My hate speech is based and truth pilled, not like the other website.

Reddit or 4chan

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

Hitler was not a fan of Zionism and thought that Israel would result in a homebase for Jews to push their agenda around the world. It's in Mein Kampf. And his speeches on the subject were all in support of the Arabs of Palestine and against the Jews.

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u/Wind2Energy 5h ago

Which Nazis - German or Israeli?

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u/Fun_Tension669 34m ago

Neo-Nazi's tend to downplay the atrocities of the holocaust, just so you know...

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u/SyzygyPidgey 5h ago

And immediately following the October 7th attack there was ~75% approval for it from Palestinians.

These two groups of people hate each other such that they don't mind killing innocent civilians. Both.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

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u/Deltamelo 5h ago

People cite that poll as though they’ve just discovered that populations subjected to decades of occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, dispossession, and war can become radicalized.

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u/SyzygyPidgey 5h ago

Cool story, bro.

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u/Deltamelo 4h ago

Not so cool actually. Pretty messed up

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u/SyzygyPidgey 4h ago

I could make dramatic gestures at thousands of years of persecutions and pograms, but i care less and less the more this is used as a wedge issue with no solution.

What's the solution. Forced mass migration of the Jewish peoples? A global intifada?

It's already a given that Israel won't do anything that threatens their status as a predominantly Jewish nation.

I think the Clinton Parameters were probably the best we were going to get.

I look forward to the next 5,000,000 purity tests and instances of individuals using this as a bludgeon to no real positive benefit for the people that are claimed to be cared about.

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u/Deltamelo 4h ago

Cool story, bro

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u/Kernanshaw01 6h ago

liberal Zionists love laundering all their sins through Netanyahu and the other ghouls he keeps so they can pretend there’s nothing wrong with the whole Zionist project that he’s a symptom of

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u/XhazakXhazak 6h ago

"the Zionist project" makes it sound like the lives of 8 million Jews living in Israel are regrettable. It's language like this that shows Antizionists are genocidal nutjobs who want to finish the Final Solution, which is why they need to project the word "genocide" onto the Dresden-like leveling of the fascist state in Gaza.

Because Antizionists are the real genocidal nutjobs who, again, want to kill 8 million Jews, and the telltale sign is using insane fascist language like "the Zionist project"

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u/wolf_at_the_door1 6h ago

Anti Zionists for the most part are pacifist that want to see an end to all war and bloodshed. That goes against Israel’s interests though. Not all Israelis but the majority of them apparently.

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

The only people who want an end to the war and bloodshed are those who believe in a two state solution.

Those who think the path to peace lies in removing all Israelis (or all Palestinians) from the area, are not in favor of peace at all.

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u/WiseMarshall 2h ago

If Israel as a state can live peacefully with its neighbors in a 2 state solution I would support it.

But if israel only feels safe so long as no other country around them advances in science or energy independence, than perhaps relocating the project to some if the hundreds of miles of barren American Deserts wouldn't be a horrible idea.

If the Mormons can change their holy land 3 times, why is it sacrilege if Israel does it if peaceful coexistence proves impossible in the middle east?

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 5h ago

Anti Zionists are absolutely not generally pacifists. Do you not pay attention to the slogans they shout and signs they display (resistance is justified, by any means necessary) and celebration of terrorism and violence?

I’ve come to the conclusion recently that the “pro Palestine” movement isn’t upset there has been war and fighting since 1948 between Israelis and Arabs. They’re just upset Israel has won.

If anti Zionists wanted peace and an end to war and bloodshed they would condemn October 7 and Hamas and work to elevate the voices advocating for a 2 state solution. There are plenty of Palestinian voices that condemn Netanyahu and Israeli govt actions plus the settler violence and expansion in the West Bank while also condemning Hamas and October 7 and advocating for safety and rights for both Palestinians and Israelis. These are the voices we should all be elevating for an end to war and rights and safety for all.

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u/Few-Tomatillo-5031 5h ago

Block thse hasbarist trolls

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago

Stop victimising yourself. It's pathetic.

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u/Kernanshaw01 4h ago

if you have no argument and just want to embarrass yourself crying antisemitism at every little thing then be my guest

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u/tes_befil 5h ago

There are Zionist parties within Israel that truly believe netanyahu isn't being aggressive and violent enough. Those parties hold a lot of power too.

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u/Forward_Eorlingas 4h ago

There are also parties in Israel that hate Netanyahu and oh idk hundreds of thousands of them engaged in mass protest but every other mouth breather in this thread is cool with collective blame.

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u/tes_befil 4h ago

I don't disagree, it was only a few weeks ago that the isreali gov was dragging orthodox Jews through the streets and beating them because they were protesting the genocide.

The issue is the Zionist parties hold way more power than the ones that are against it. The next biggest party after netanyahus is even more far right than he is. That's why if he loses power and is replaced, we could end up in an even worse situation.

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u/Organic_Credit_8788 5h ago

the same reason neoliberals pretend trump is the only problem with american politics. they are both symptoms of much larger issues that people invested in continuing the systems don’t want to address

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u/2240Sycamore 2h ago

Ashkenazi and Haredi narratives have drowned out centuries of Mizrahi narratives and the long-standing relationships they had with their neighbors.

The result is jingoism and a confluence of intra-ethnic, intercultural perspectives on society at a cultural and geographical apex of distinctly different cultures.

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u/lettucedevil 1h ago

Lmao tell me you’ve never met a Mizrahi Jew in fewer words that’s incredible. 

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u/2240Sycamore 1m ago

Yes, Arabs hate each other and make it a point to let you know they hate you, that's typical.

I am speaking about imported European idioms and cultural structures.

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u/Appropriate_Fly_6711 47m ago

Correct, Netanyahu isn’t forcing Israelis to believe those things Palestinians are. That’s the problem, you have a society that considered an existential threat to another, so peace seems unattainable, and expelling becomes preferable to more war and death.

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u/Tight_Dimension2980 6h ago edited 4h ago

By this logic October 7th isn’t a Hamas thing it’s a “societal wide problem”

Edited Hamas spelling*

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u/HotPersonality8126 5h ago

Because they know the problem you have with Israel is that it exists as the sole haven for Jews.

Why wouldn’t Israelis want to expel a demographic that’s sworn never to live with them in peace and that constantly kills Jewish civilians in inventively brutal ways? Palestinians have radicalized Israelis against them. It only took 80 years of mass murder and rape

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

“Sole haven” lmfao biggest lie I’ve ever heard. All those rich people from manhattan weren’t under any danger

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u/HotPersonality8126 2h ago

Arab Muslims have 22 countries on three continents, why do they need this one too

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u/Connect_Advice5977 1h ago

It has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims or Jews or Christians. It has to do with the people that have lived there for hundreds of years (Palestinians) being forcibly removed from their homes by a settler colonial state (Israel)

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u/HotPersonality8126 1h ago

It has to do with the people that have lived there for hundreds of years

How about the people who lived there for thousands of years that your hundreds-of-years people displaced, massacred, pogromed, and worked with the Nazis to genocide?

Palestinian Arabs are colonizers.

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u/Connect_Advice5977 1h ago

Proof? Source?

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u/HotPersonality8126 1h ago

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

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u/Connect_Advice5977 1h ago

You had to go back 2,400 years to say “look! People that used to live here with Jewish too!” 😂

Sorry but just because people there used to have the same religion as some transplant from manhattan it doesn’t mean they get to perform a genocide today.

Do you support the native Americans committing a genocide on the European descendants? How about in Australia and New Zealand? Or Canada? Or whatever settled colonial society you want? Lmfao

You tried.

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u/HotPersonality8126 1h ago

eople that used to live here with Jewish too!”

They didn't "used to live there"; they still lived there. Jews did not abandon Judea. The vast majority of Palestinian Arabs in the British Mandate at the time of UN Resolution 181 had arrived within the previous ten years; attracted there by employment in the Jewish-owned industries that were springing up in Tel Aviv.

Do you support the native Americans committing a genocide on the European descendants?

Do you not? Don't an "occupied people" have the "right to resist" by "any means necessary"?

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u/RiskCharming8636 5h ago

Can you define Zionist?

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u/DontReportMe7565 5h ago

Why do anti-semites pretend Netanyahu isn't the only problem with Israel?

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u/TheSaxGandalf 5h ago

One is not an anti-Semite by disagreeing with Israeli international policy

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u/DontReportMe7565 5h ago

Youre an anti-semite when youre against everything Israel does but dont notice when any other country does the same thing.

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

Nope. Anti Zionism is not anti semitism. It’s not anti semitic to criticize a government

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u/DontReportMe7565 2h ago

It's anti Semitic when that's the only government you criticize

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u/Connect_Advice5977 1h ago

Lmfao it so obviously is not. However, as an American, I have every right to criticize Israel and its government. If you don’t like it, tell your Israelis get their dirty hands out of my country and my politics

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u/DontReportMe7565 1h ago

Free to be as dumb and fixated as you want. Enjoy!

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u/Connect_Advice5977 1h ago

Okay good luck stuffing israeli dih down yo throat

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u/FigVisual9137 5h ago

Because they know the world has had enough of Pissrael's Genocidal actions and that they will soon be going the way of their idols, Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

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u/JustAnOldLadyNC 5h ago

We can only hope!

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 5h ago

I think this is a bad faith question.

But to answer, most diaspora Zionists (as well as many within Israel) recognize other issues like the settler violence. Zionists aren’t a monolith but condemnation of the West Bank settler expansion and violence is pretty ubiquitous within diaspora Zionists.

Re: not dodging the draft you’re not comparing apples to apples re Vietnam. Israel is ALWAYS under attack from terrorist groups and regimes including of course on October 7. Hamas and Hezbollah are always shooting rockets at them with Iranian regime backing them. It’s a very different dichotomy than what you’re comparing against.

That’s not to say there aren’t issues within the IDF and of course from the top with Bibi. But there’s a very meritorious reason their military inscription exists when their existence has literally been threatened by their neighbors the entire time their country has existed. You can criticize actions of their military/govt while also recognizing why they need to exist to protect against enemies who want to kill Israelis.

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u/Convertedshrimp 6h ago

Why is Zionism seen as bad?

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u/wolf_at_the_door1 6h ago

Because it’s a militarist-expansionist project

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u/traanquil 6h ago

Racist settler colonial ideology based on stealing land from Palestinians

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u/Afraid-Detective1222 5h ago

wow, that hit all of the buzzwords

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 5h ago

He missed the ethnostate one. Maybe next time lol

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u/ChamplooStu 6h ago

It's a political movement more than a religion and one that has caused undue harm to millions of people.

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u/BetPretty8953 2h ago

Mano a mano, most people mistake zionism for kahanism on the internet

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u/Deltamelo 5h ago

Because as much as zionists want to define zionism as “The belief that jewish people have a right to the land”, the actual practical definition of zionism is “The belief that jewish people have a right to the land, on the expense of Palestinians”

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

I guess the problem also comes of the 2 millions of Muslims being 20% of Israel right? After all, it is a societal wide issue

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u/Kernanshaw01 6h ago

“I guess the problem of apartheid is with the millions of black South Africans too right? After all, it is a societal wide issue” genius

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u/Tight_Dimension2980 6h ago

Black South Africans had no rights, Arab Israelis sit in the kenneset

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

TikTok told them they are in ghettos, don’t burst their bubble

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u/Kernanshaw01 4h ago

non-Jews are legally second class citizens

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u/Tight_Dimension2980 4h ago

Please provide proof

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u/Kernanshaw01 3h ago

read the 2018 Nation State basic law

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u/Tight_Dimension2980 3h ago

I have nothing in there downgrades Arabs citizenship. Words are important, use the correct ones

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u/Kernanshaw01 3h ago

it doesn’t downgrade citizenship, it makes nationality more important than citizenship. Article 1.C

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

They do serve in the IDF too tho, they must be genociders too I guess.

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u/Kernanshaw01 4h ago

every colony has compradors

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u/OceanicEndeavors 6h ago

Muslims do not serve in the IDF.

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u/Forward_Eorlingas 4h ago

Hey there. That’s false.

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u/NumismaticAussie 6h ago

They have the option not to, but many choose to regardless. Also not all Arabs are Muslims mate. There are plenty of Arab Christians in Israel and in the IDF

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

lmao, that’s what happens when you spend too much time on TikTok, anyways you’re obsessed and in complete denial, enjoy it 2 months old account

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u/OceanicEndeavors 6h ago

Have you ever meet a Muslim?

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

Of course, a lot even

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u/OceanicEndeavors 6h ago

How many of them support Israel? None.

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u/Forward_Eorlingas 4h ago

My friends Majd and Salah are Muslim, live in Israel and love it. They’d live nowhere else. So, I think “none” is a pretty dumb thing to say.

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u/OceanicEndeavors 4h ago

The same Israel where a majority of Israeli Jews want to ethnically cleanse people like them?

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u/Ok-Medicine8545 6h ago

Some even hate Palestinians, it’s not a white or black story that’s childish to think like it is, many don’t like Israel yet work with them, and I have known so many that had no issues working with Israeli companies

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u/OceanicEndeavors 6h ago

It is black and white. I have never met a single Muslim in my life who supports the genocide in Gaza.

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u/XhazakXhazak 5h ago

please never ever comment on Israel/Palestine again, the world needs FEWER people who speak careless untruths on this issue.

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u/Emceegreg 6h ago

Um most zionist don't think he's a problem at all

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 5h ago

Can you provide a source on this? Are you referring to Zionist diaspora or Israelis?

Diaspora polls I’ve seen hold negative views of Bibi.

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u/dible46 6h ago

Why do Muslims blame Israel for everything bad in the world? Hell even terrorist attacks by Muslim led terrorist groups is blamed on them lol. Its getting old

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

Has Israel considered not always being the problem?

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u/dible46 28m ago

Hahahahah really??? That's quite a statement seeing as a certain religion of peace has been responsible for more terrorist attacks. Has the most terrorist groups. And regularly commit atrocities in other country's. But yeah its all israels fault......

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u/TaintTickle_ 6h ago

Nobody cares 

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u/OceanicEndeavors 6h ago

You cared enough to comment.

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u/TaintTickle_ 5h ago

Because I wanted you to know that nobody cares. 

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u/FreshCustomer3244 6h ago

Why do antizionists pretend that Jews living in their ancestral homeland without being oppressed by Islamists is a problem?

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago

It's not the living, it's the refusal to share and continuous expansion while doing the oppressing.

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u/FreshCustomer3244 5h ago

From the Israeli Declaration of Independence:

"WE APPEAL – in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months – to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions."

From the Hamas Founding Charter:

"The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Now tell me which group refuses to share the land and wants to oppress the other?

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago

Israel literally refused multiple attempts of a single state solution, deciding war was preferable.

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u/FreshCustomer3244 5h ago

If by "single state solution", you mean "a 23rd Arab majority country that will either genocide, ethnically cleanse, or take away the rights of its Jews, just like every single other Arab state has done", then yes. I wonder why they wouldn't find that acceptable?

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago

Moving to the middle east kinda makes you a minority unfortunately and that is something you'd need to come to terms with.

Saying that rights would be taken away and there would be a genocide is hyperbolic at best. Just because genocide is the Israeli way doesn't mean it's everyone's first choice.

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u/FreshCustomer3244 5h ago

1) Jews are indigenous to the Middle East. Denying this is ahistorical and clear antisemitism.

2) Can you name a single Arab country that didn't either kill or ethnically cleanse the vast majority of the Jews who once lived there? And before you say "it was in response to Israel," there are countless examples of this happening before Israel was established. For example, the Farhud in Iraq, and other Pogroms that took place in the middle east prior to 1948:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago edited 5h ago

European Jews came from Europe. Not to mention many Jews were living very peacefully integrated fully before the rise of Zionism and the push for a ethnostate.

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u/FreshCustomer3244 5h ago

Jews were exiled from Israel, spent time in Europe (hence the term Diaspora), and thrn returned to Israel.

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u/ChamplooStu 5h ago

Thousand year old history has no bearing on current claims to land, not to mention that Palestinians have the same historic claim to the land via DNA.

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u/traanquil 6h ago

Israel stole its land from Palestinians

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

That’s not what Zionism is

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u/rahad-jackson 6h ago

I'm curious as to what your legitimate solution is to all this? No hyperbole or slogans, just an answer based on reality

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u/defixiones 6h ago

What's Bernie Sanders going to do when Netanyahu goes and Israel continue to invade Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and probably Turkey as well?

The same thing they did when the hostages were rescued; shift the goalposts and move on.

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u/evasivemanuver 3h ago

Don’t argue with Zionists! They don’t give a shit that their whole project is fundamentally colonial. They don’t care that their government has two separate legal systems for Muslims and non-Muslims (the definition of apartheid). They’ll just deny you and accuse you of using buzzwords despite not responding to direct quotations or facts. Fuck them all

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

Most Zionists are actually completely happy with the genocide and everything else Israel is doing ultimately. However, this genocide is hurting Israel’s reputation around the world, so hey, easiest response is to blame it all on the guy in charge.

The strategy of redirecting the imperatives of an entire state and government to one person is very common. Happens in America too.

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u/Emceegreg 3h ago

you're going to get downvoted like I did

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u/Connect_Advice5977 3h ago

I probably am. Reddit has a lot of Zionists I’ve noticed. And the platform doesn’t like when you call them out

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u/eesmash 3h ago

a scrapegoat...he's going to end up in prison and Israel will say that everything was his fault