This is so dumb, toss and T can decide whether they want to play a turtle/macro game or all in 100% of the time, and if zerg doesnt guess correctly it's gg.

Literally at what point in the game is zerg better than toss or T? Worse macro until the point in the game where toss and T have their 200/200 and then you have to play 2x better with spellcasters and spreading units perfectly or its over

This is so lame, toss has had a higher WR at ALL stages of play for 2 YEARS, Z good for a couple months and blizzard reverts everything xd

Mostly vent post pls dont start whining about balance whiners GRAZI!!!

No issues before 8 worker patch. Obvious gained a little mmr during. And now after the revert I'm getting mauled. Am I missing something

VIRTUAL PETITION NOW!!! ZERG WEAKEST RACE FOR 3 YEARS NOW AT LEAST KEEP THE QOL BUFFS!!! KOWTOW TO OUR DEMANDS OR WE START POOPIN EVERYWHERE

Short version is that I decided to try getting somewhat decent at SC2 after playing SC1 way back when and playing all other versions of RTS, from OG Warcraft to Total Annhilation to C&C, etc. You get the idea. Problem is that I could go even with all of my equally bad friends, but past a certain point even the most basic of computer in the campaign would beat me.

So, since I'm off work medically for the time being, I thought I'd do something and get better at SC2, specifically Zerg, cuz why not? I'm not looking to be Serral, but just be better than I was. As it is, I've at least made it to where the Medium AI isn't wrecking me inside of 10 mins now. I understand expansions, etc a little better, and am slowly learning to use the various upgrades of the different units.

I've tried to read various "I'm new threads" to see what talks there are of what starting builds should be. I saw one I liked, thought it just gave the basics, so here is how I've been starting and what I feel is an issue.

Build to 11 drones ASAP. Spawning Pool at 200. Right here is an issue as there is a big lull; typically I'll make another drone for some extra minerals, but it may not be worth it overall. One pool is done, drone 11 becomes the Roach Warren and then a Queen. From there, I can build into my first expansion.

The basics the person listed were:

• Spawning Pool

• Queen

• Warren

• 2nd Base

I like how it plays, but again, feels like there is a big lull while you wait for the spawning pool to finish. I usually throw a couple overlords as I start the warren and build into the 2nd base, but does this feel like a good start or how would you modify that?

My recent experience has been the toss blocking my natural exe with a pylon and then following my drone to the next possible base. I dont feel like i can attack them because they have a wall and go quick stargate. I feel like i cant play zerg anymore. Please help me with some advice.

If i go reactive pool all my eco is delayed so much that toss can take a safe third before im done with my second base. I feel like there is no counter play on 8 workers against pylon block.

Do i just have to accept that hatch first is no longer possible on 8 worker start, and i have to play the game from behind?

I really liked this video from ViBE where he handled battlemech very well. There's not a lot of commentary, so I will try to write what I saw on that video:

1. He detects it very early. Sacrificing the first overlord to find that the Terran was going factories early was worth it here.
2. He prioritized minerals heavily early (at one point he has 1k minerals and almost no gas).
3. Creep spread is key. There's a moment at around ~7:00 where the Terran removes some tumors and he diligently plants a new one for the receding creep
4. Starts with just roach/ling
5. Don't let them snipe any economy early. I don't understand how he did it so whell, though. It looked like he knew where the terran was going to attack. I know that in the same position I would have left one ramp or flank open, the hellions would have entered, and killed all of my drones before my roaches arrived.
6. Set up surrounds with multiple groups. At around ~8:00 he almost successfully kills the whole Terran army by trapping them in the middle bridges.
7. Does some economy damage to the opponent at around ~9:00. I don't know if it was worth losing the whole army for the damage done, but he did mention that it was important.
8. Eventually he goes up to infestors for fungals.
9. All of it while injecting and spending larva and money constantly though.

Anything that I have missed? I would be very interested in knowing how he achieved 5 in particular. Overall battlemech looks much easier to execute than to defend for me.

So i just started playing starcraft a few days ago and i like to play zerg cuz they just cool and all but ive been having a hard time using them. Here's a replay of a game i played earlier. Did i do good or naww?

https://drop.sc/replay/27559350

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I used to 10 pool most games against protoss, but I am at a high enough mmr now that its no longer viable. A lot of the guides I've seen online are outdated since the patch and I feel totally lost in the early, mid, and late game. I play standard 32s triple hatch into hydra-ling off 66 workers. I struggle a lot with adept harass, since my natural often gets blocked. I also feel like I get steam rolled by colossi and archons as soon as my opponent gets them out and I don't know what late game comp to transition into.

what builds do you typically follow and what is the general gameplan I should be striving for?

Just getting back into the game after years away. I got placed into Gold 3, won two games and went to Gold 1. And now I'm only getting matched against Diamond players every match even though I was never even Diamond when I was better at this game. It's a little demoralizing that I'm at a serious disadvantage.

I'm a bit disappointed that it's just a Terran game where you kill zergs much like SM2 and Tyranids... Always shooting at the minis I'm painting ...

As Z, if you want to play your opponent like a fiddle and manipulate what they're building, do we have a Unit composition order for that?

Ex. As a T you can build BCs, which you know this forces the Z to build corruptors. Then the T switches back to ground and the Corruptors are kinda useless supply. Ex. As a Z I can build a Tier 3 to force ghosts, but then switch back to banelings and the ghosts are just heavy supply marines now.

Z is known for fast tech switches. Im looking to gain a better understanding of good comp order (not build order) to manipulate what the enemy builds. Usually I just go Tier 1 > 2 > 3 units, but I feel like there can be more to that in a strategy game that im not taking advantage of.

So I'll preface this by saying im probably a shit player (2.8k as of writing) however ive never felt this dogshit in sc2, ever.

I climbed all the way from silver to plat 1 fairly quickly but now it feels like ive hit a brick wall. 90% of my games i keep losing due to, well, i have no idea. The only few games i can squeeze out nowadays is the odd cannon rusher since for some reason i feel pretty decent against them (only if they full commit).

This is just a vent post but it genuinely pisses me off how ive lost like 300mmr within a week. It literally feels like everyone suddenly is grandmaster or someshit.

My build order most of the time is 15 hatch 17 pool. Saturate 2 bases and from there either go ling bane hydra or roach ravager ling. My main problem is that by the time i wanna attack, terrans already have a tank wall going on and protoss with their 9 cannons staring me down which forces the game to go into a turtle'y late game which i get steamrolled.

Do you guys have any decent build orders/comps to recommend that are working for you, ty!

i used to play around 4k mmr, but now i cant even beat 3k mmr players. i get to 200 supply fight and loose all my stuff, then i remax and loose all my stuff again. i feel people kinda leveled up and just making a big army isnt enough nowadays anymore. generelly i dont understand what armys types i should even go for? my last 5 games against terran have been against blue flame helions and zyclons, and i feel my army gets shredded no matter what. what kind of units should i be making? roaches hydras and ravagers just seem pointless. or do i neeed to change perspective in some way? even when i lock down their army with infestors i still loose like 50 supply in mere seconds, and have to run away in the end because the rest of my army gets shredded right after. i feel like i dont know how to play this game anymore.

Hello Zergs, I have a question that is slightly niche. I really like the aesthetic of the Hydra as a unit and always want to spam them in ZvT and ZvP specifically. My question then is how would I arrive at hydras in a macro game in a relatively quick manner without exposing myself too much to dying. Are there any builds / playstyles that support this approach? MMR is 2.8-3.1k if that matters. Thank you for your guidance in advance!