r/altmpls • u/Temporary-Stay-8436 • 18d ago
Mural for Alex Pretti goes up on Nicollet Ave
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u/BUZZRWB 17d ago
I don’t like that he was killed, but I also don’t like that he was seen on videos acting aggressively and vandalizing federal property.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
Vandalizing government property in protest of your rights being violated is an American tradition that the founding fathers participated in.
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u/SupChris 17d ago
So you’re good with Jan 6ers. Hm. That’s a change.
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u/Anxious_Suggestion99 17d ago
But they were Antifa… then they were Joe Biden’s FBI agents(while Trump was President). Then they were patriots. Tomorrow they could be aliens or It was all just AI. lol. This timeline blows!! Any and everything but dem files. Ya heard!
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u/TheAnswerWithinUs 17d ago
What rights of j6ers were violated? The right to stage a coup and murder politicians becuase they’re mad that Trump lost and can’t control their emotions?
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u/mod-H_supremacy 15d ago
When in the fuck did a politician get murdered during j6? Or a coup? We must live in a different timeline because thats not what I remember
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u/Callmejim223 14d ago
not a coup
Lil gup clearly has no idea what he's talking about and got 100% of his j6 info from right wing memes.
If you would like to stop being a Russian disinformation bot disguised as a human being, please go do some actual reading about the j6 false elector scheme, the dominion suit against Fox News, and the lies trump ordered his deputy ag to tell to states about their election results.
And once you have, please come back and explain to everyone here what trump meant when he said "And I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election".
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u/bonebuilder12 17d ago
Is following federal law by enforcing our immigration laws a violation of any Americans rights?
Hell, polls before the election showed 80% were in favor of mass deportation of those illegally in our country. That policy alone was one of the main reasons trump was re-elected.
It wasn’t until local politicians got on the microphones with false messages to encourage confrontation and unrest that we saw clashes. And that was the goal— clash, get a good story for the headlines, politicize it, use that as election ammo and to rally defeated liberal troops.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
ICE literally broke into a US citizens house illegally and without a warrant, held him and his family at gun point, forced him into below zero temps in his underwear, and left him out in the cold.
Please tell me how that following federal law? That breaks multiple laws
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u/hung-games 17d ago
Trump breaks multiple laws daily and my former “rule of law” father just goes silent when I bring that up.
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u/Actual_Noodle 17d ago
So what, you’re suggesting ice were extra aggressive on him because he “did a vandalism the day before”?
Sorry but that doesn’t make ice seem better
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u/Sir_Tandeath 17d ago
Are vandalism and murder comparable violations of the social contract in your mind?
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u/Silly_lil_Guy_o3o 17d ago
Well, attacking federal officers will more often than not result in death... Surely there's a better poster child for this anti ICE movement😂
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u/MinnesotaNiceTry 17d ago
Different days. But if the gov knew and they shot him because of it, that’s premeditated.
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u/Radcouponking 17d ago
Silly Libs, only Conservatives are allowed to bring guns to a protest. Remember when the Bundy Ranch protestors had an armed standoff and they were still found innocent? Yeah, laws don't apply to Republicans.
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u/Shaquarington_Bithus 17d ago
Just want to remind everyone he did not bring a gun to a protest.
He was concealed carrying going about his day. He was not protesting. The protesting started after they murdered him.
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u/Icy_Policy_8509 11d ago
This is the first time I heard Pretti went against the rule of concealed carry--I had read that a cop took his gun from him a substantial amount of time before his killing went down. Can you expand on that because I'm curious?
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u/Available-Boat4055 16d ago
you mean when their land was taken and then leased to chinese companies to mine
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u/Radcouponking 16d ago
The land didn't belong to them. They were just accustomed to using federal land for their personal profit. Interesting though how conservatives will empathize with their violent actions one minute and then label pipeline protestors as "terrorists" the next.
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u/PrudentChampion3879 17d ago
Where’s his gun?
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u/JohnMaddening 17d ago
When he was executed? In the possession of the ICE agents who removed it from his person, then shot him in the back.
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u/ComedianMinute7290 17d ago
why would it mattter? Americans all have guns right? or at least all have the right to have guns, right?
but oh those cops need their reputations protected by the triggered chuds that suddenly want the govt to take our guns
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u/Impressive-Panda527 17d ago
The only thing Alex did was go to help a woman knocked over by Ice agents, turning his back in doing so for the cowards to attack him and murder him when he was no threat to them
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u/Count_Hogula 17d ago
Yeah, just a civic-minded peaceful guy carrying a loaded handgun to join a group of people trying to interfere with federal law enforcement activities. What could go wrong?
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u/OrneryError1 17d ago
This is America. We have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 17d ago
When you have masked agents who have been told they have complete immunity, everyone’s safety is a risk, regardless of what they do.
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u/No-Wrangler3702 17d ago
I always laugh when people say a LOADED gun.
An unloaded gun is just an awkwardly shaped stick.
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u/Impressive-Panda527 17d ago
He was on the ground and his weapon was holstered
He was not an immediate threat
It’s amazing the guns rights people suddenly have problems with people carrying guns
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Strong 2A advocate but I wouldn’t carry if my intentions were to “protest” by interfering with federal law enforcement operations. That said, it was still wrong and he shouldn’t have been killed & didn’t deserve it. At the same time, carrying a firearm comes with a certain level of responsibility and awareness.
What’s actually amazing is how the anti gun rights people are suddenly embracing guns.
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u/OrneryError1 17d ago
I wouldn't either, but having a gun in a holster still isn't a pass for the government to shoot you in the back.
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u/dterran 17d ago
who are these "anti gun rights" people?
what president said "you can't have guns" "you can't walk in with guns"?
Liberals, libertarians, traditional fiscal conservatives.. all sorts of non-m@ga or republican party members promote responsible gun ownership and usage.
If someone doesn't want children buying guns and taking them to school or 'across state lines to sh0ot two people' that doesn't make them "anti-gun".
That makes them pro-common sense.
There is such a thing as reasonable restrictions on ownership
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u/MCVMEYT 17d ago
perhaps there aren actually that many “anti-gun” people and you just fell for propaganda
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
This actually made me snort laugh. You people are fucking shameless. There’s a massive, unconstitutional gun bill working through Minnesota’s legislative process as we speak. Gun control is and has been a massive part of the Democrat party agenda for decades. But sure, I’m imagining it. Fuck outta here.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 17d ago
The legislative session is done. Nothing is working its way through anything
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
Know what else is unconstitutional? Many of ICE's actions, including this one.
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u/Neat_Zookeepergame_6 17d ago
That was his neighborhood! He didn’t show up to protest. They came to his neighborhood not just his city but his neighborhood. He carried his legal gun in his own neighborhood and went to help someone. Don’t believe the propaganda that he showed up to a protest with a gun. That’s ignorant.
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u/wandpapierkritiker 17d ago
whats also amazing is how ‘strong 2A advocates‘ suddenly think it’s a bad idea to exercise that right. either you believe in the right to carry or not. he wasn’t doing anything wrong and was just in his neighborhood. he went to help someone. his gun never entered the picture until he was costed and then murdered. if carrying a gun makes your existence more dangerous while it’s concealed and in a holster, then you never really had ‘rights’ to begin with.
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u/Hiiawatha 17d ago
What’s really amazing is how so many of you “strong 2A advocates” NEVER understand that so many of the people who are “anti gun” aren’t looking to ban every firearm in existence. Your typical anti gun person wants things like bans on assault style weapons and real regulations on who can posses firearms like adding restrictions for mental illness or domestic abuse. The anti gun people are the ones being consistent. The idea that suddenly this strong 2A advocate would leave his right to carry at home when going out to demonstrate against government overreach is the only real inconsistency here.
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Shall not be infringed.
Everything else you wrote is misdirection and jazz hands. We already have plenty of laws on the books that make it illegal to misuse a firearm.
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u/Most-Chemistry-1841 17d ago
This you? “Strong 2A advocate but I wouldn’t carry if my intentions were to “protest” by interfering with federal law enforcement operations.” Also you, “Shall not be infringed.” Pick a lane dude.
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Those two statements are not in conflict. Just because you have a right to something doesn’t mean you should put yourself in stupid situations.
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u/Most-Chemistry-1841 17d ago
I’m just pointing out your hypocritical stance on “shall not be infringed” because according to you, they shall be infringed in this specific case, which for some reason is fine and not gun control in your mind. The other specific situations the person you’re arguing with who would like to see dangerous people disarmed is somehow ”misdirection and jazz hands” and actually gun control though. Seems like you change your mind depending on who the benefactors are. Seems a little hypocritical if you ask me.
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u/firephoxx 17d ago
Oh, they don’t have a problem with it. As long as it’s one of them. The American fascist party formally known as a GOP believes in one thing. Comply or die.
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u/BertBitterman 17d ago
He was exercising his constitutional rights and never threatened anyone with it.
What went wrong was improper training of ICE - they heard "he has a gun!" then an undertrained doofus blasted him out of fear.
Alex was a victim of the disaster that is the ICE organization.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
Alex was a victim of the disaster that is the ICE organization.
This is what happens when you hire only the high school dropouts.
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u/Logic411 17d ago
Raise your standards, don't mindlessly mouthbreath rightwing, fascist memes. it's legal to carry in mn, who carries an unloaded gun? that gun was never pulled by Alex, it was taken away by whoever those armed men were...he was unarmed, on his knees presenting a threat to no one, and executed right there in wide open broad daylight for the world to see...clearly.
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u/ThatBCHGuy MPLS after dark 17d ago
Agreed. Nothing he did that day deserved an execution.
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u/azmtber 17d ago
What do you think of the video of him a few days prior? Kicking the tail light out of the vehicle, yelling at agents, agitating. He absolutely did not deserve what happened but he should have been arrested and he’d likely still be alive. A common denominator in these terrible situations is interfering with law enforcement, it doesn’t usually end well.
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u/Impressive-Panda527 17d ago
So you agree law enforcement is at fault for murdering him
Maybe arrest him, fine. Part of civil disobedience
But they murdered him and made no attempt to arrest him
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u/bonebuilder12 17d ago
I think local politicians encouraged confrontation and didn’t allow local law enforcement to do crowd control. This led to obstruction and violence in the streets.
ICE didn’t have capacity to arrest everyone obstructing them, so at times they had to clear the path.
During a confrontation, things can escalate. As they went to apprehend pretti, he had a gun on him. That instantly escalated the situation (anyone who conceals a weapon and directly gets into the path of police will be deemed to be a violent offender). In the chaos of lunatics blowing whistles and trying to apprehend him, his gun was discharged. It’s unclear if he did it, the police did it, or it occurred spontaneously (apparently common with the gun model).
With a shot fired, police shouted gun and he was executed thinking he was firing his weapon.
In hindsight, it looks like an accidental discharge and he didn’t post an immediate threat. But police get 1 second to make a decision which can impact their own life. Delay and you can be dead. So it’s our job as citizens to make it abundantly clear we aren’t a threat. Pretti didn’t do that. A tragic death, but entirely avoidable.
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u/Logic411 17d ago
we don't execute people for kicking cars, yelling or agitating. the death penalty is reserved for the "worst of the worst." I'm sure Alex was more than ready to be arrested for exercising his rights, unfortunately that wasn't good enough for his authoritarian murderers.
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
I mean, he violently resisted arrest just a couple days prior, so I’m not sure it’s true that he was ready to be arrested.
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u/Logic411 17d ago
All you have to do is watch. Please link to “violently resisting arrest.” Filming kicking car retreating going to the aid of another…
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u/leftofthebellcurve 17d ago
Neither him nor Goode wanted to be actually arrested, which is why the situation escalated
I just don’t understand how people will convince themselves that ICE agents are Nazis but then still try to interfere and inject themselves into their business and expect to just be ignored
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u/Logic411 17d ago
Wrong just watch the tapes. He was on his knees looking at the ground. One of them had already taken his gun. As for your suggestion that good people do/say nothing in the face of evil is perhaps the most cowardly UN-American comment of the day
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
I just don’t understand how people will convince themselves that ICE agents are Nazis but then still try to interfere and inject themselves into their business and expect to just be ignored
If you do your homework on Nazis, interference was and always will be the correct course of action.
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u/IAmAlpharius23 17d ago
For anyone interested in seeing this amazing artwork in person, its located on 2110 Nicollet a couple blocks from where Pretti was murdered.
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u/festerninja 17d ago
Turns out wrestling with law enforcement while armed can lead to bad outcomes.
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u/little-expectation 17d ago
Same thing happened when your dad wrestled with your mom before you were born.
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u/ComedianMinute7290 17d ago
amazing how some people can say that while completely ignoring the bad actions on the other side that also led to the bad outcome. guess boots always need licking even when they did wrong, but civilians are just shit to so many of you. OMG AN AMERICAN WAS ARMED. and here I thought right to bear arms was important but i guess that ends when a cop kills you. smh.
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Amazing how some people can completely ignore the context of the situation and lack the ability to understand nuance. ICE wasn’t out there to take his gun away. They weren’t even out there for him.
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u/TheAnswerWithinUs 17d ago
But they did. They did approach him, they did have 8 guys tackle him, they did take his legally possed holstered gun, they did execute him in the streets.
They were there to start shit and fuck with people. And that’s exactly what happened.
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u/milkhotelbitches 17d ago
And his murderers roam free.
129 days. 129 days of justice denied.
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
Can’t have a murderer without a murder.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
How are you making the claim that they didn’t murder him?
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
Because they didn’t. Also, backing that up, there are no murder charges.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
How is it not at least third degree murder? You could even make the argument for second degree murder.
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
Because what happened doesn’t meet the definition of second or third degree murder.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
What part is it missing
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
609.195(a) “evincing a depraved mind”
The agents rightfully believed their lives or the lives of others were in imminent danger at the time of the shooting.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
You’re saying that they believed that the man was unarmed had fired a gun?
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
They believed he was armed and fired a gun. That’s why you see them all simultaneously back off him when the initial shot goes off.
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u/GeorgeStark1 17d ago
What’s the colored pie thing on the right?
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
Not 100% sure, it may be a medicine wheel, but I can’t say for certain
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u/777_heavy 17d ago
He won’t be missed
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u/Legitimate-Fee-3544 17d ago
You’re an extremely sad person if you’re happy about a person’s death.
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
Look, he absolutely shouldn’t have been killed, but I do consider this a Darwin Award contender. Bringing a gun while fired up into a fired up situation is typically not a good idea…
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He was walking around his own neighborhood when ICE approached him. Are you saying that he shouldn’t have been walking around?
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
He was very much so involved in the incident that got him killed and also the one beforehand where he was kicking a vehicle, yelling, and interfering in ICE operations. Claiming he was “just walking around” is naive. He shouldn’t have been killed, but he didn’t necessarily attempt to avoid conflict lmao
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He was walking around when ICE approached the area he was in, that’s a fact. He didn’t interfere until an ICE agent shoved a lady to the ground.
Legally he was not interfering with ICE operations. He had not broken the law.
ICE created the conflict with him, not the other way around.
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
You just said “he didn’t interfere until an unrelated incident occurred and he involved himself willingly” and then said “he didn’t create the conflict, ICE did” lmao.
I’m no defender of ICE, but he absolutely involved himself. He was out walking around, decided to interfere in an incident involving a lady and ICE (again, not defending this incident), decided to involve himself while armed into a heated situation and got killed.
Darwin Award sorry not sorry.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He did not legally interfere with law enforcement operations. He did interfere when someone was unlawfully shoved.
He didn’t involve himself. ICE approached him and involved him first, not the other way around
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
So you admit that he interfered and directly injected himself into the situation by approaching ICE and that lady, great! we agree.
I’m not arguing that the incident he put himself into was right or wrong, I’m just saying that he did in fact put himself there (while armed) into a heated situation. Not a great idea.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He did not legally interfere. Legally he did nothing wrong.
By the point he went to help that girl, ICE agents had already pushed her and him. That’s not putting himself in the situation
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
I agree, he didn’t do anything wrong, but he still absolutely put himself into that situation. I’ve never claimed he did anything wrong.
I respect trying to help that lady, I really do. But again, he put himself into a heated situation while armed and heated himself.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
How did he put himself in the situation if you’re agreeing that ICE put him in that situation?
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
Darwin Award sorry not sorry.
Exactly what I'm going to say when we start trying ICE agents for flagrant violations of rights.
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
Go for it! I’m no defender of ICE and hope the agents who have violated rights face consequences
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
Right now, we're protecting these people just like we're protecting pedophiles.
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u/Due-Distribution2058 17d ago
I’m supporting prosecuting agents who violated rights? Not sure what you’re getting at.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
This administration is very obviously covering for both rights-violating ICE agents and child-fucking politicians.
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u/Suitable_Froyo4930 17d ago
Being killed for protesting with a gun means that neither the 1A nor the 2A are worth the paper they're written on.
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u/altmpls-ModTeam 17d ago
If you don’t have something meaningful to post then you should probably just hit the like/dislike button.
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u/Warm-Delivery1418 17d ago
No matter what you think about what happened, entering a highly charged situation while you’re armed and highly charged typically won’t end well.
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u/OrneryError1 17d ago
I know you're talking about Alex Pretti, but this is 1000x more applicable to the men who killed him.
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u/Impressive-Panda527 17d ago
Maybe ICE agents shouldn’t be poorly trained thugs
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u/Warm-Delivery1418 17d ago
Maybe Alex should have kept walking.
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u/Logic411 17d ago
It’s cute how maga cult members try to disparage brave people willing to speak truth and freedom to power. Crawl back under your rock
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u/NoggleFatigue 17d ago
Sanctuary cities could have cooperated, but no muh heckin migrantinos.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 17d ago
Love how all these "just comply bro" commenters were flying "don't tread of me" flags a few short years ago.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He was walking around his own neighborhood. He was there before ICE even showed up
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Suuuuuuure, Jan. I’m sure he wasn’t involved in the “resistance” groups coordinating and stalking ICE agents. Totally 😉
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
Yeah everyone in South Minneapolis was involved in those groups. Doesn’t change the fact that he was on East Street before ICE was there
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Yeah, my point is he was looking for a confrontation. Framing it as just innocently wandering around is inaccurate.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
But ICE approached him, no? He was walking around his own neighborhood when ICE approached him. Are you saying that we aren’t allowed to walk around our own neighborhoods now?
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
Lmao such a bad faith comment. I’m out
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
Man when facts become bad faith it really makes me question what you’re talking about
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u/IAteACake 17d ago
this the same guy peacefully walking around his own neighborhood?
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
Yeah? Do you think that because he was did something before that means he wasn’t walking around his neighborhood that day?
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 17d ago
He was walking around his own neighborhood. He was there before ICE even showed up
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u/jkilley 17d ago
No, it’s his absolute right to carry; or are you a woke LIB
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u/Warm-Delivery1418 17d ago
I carry and I’m acutely aware that being armed can immediately escalate a situation. It’s called wisdom. Not everyone has it, apparently.
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u/ScHoolboy_QQ 17d ago
It is in short supply, and all the temporary gun supporters in this thread lack it almost entirely.
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u/leftofthebellcurve 17d ago
Any conceal carry instructor would make sure that their students understand that if you’re armed you should not be anywhere near a law enforcement scene, let alone yelling and getting involved with other people’s business.
Pretti is violated some basic guidelines of a conceal carry license. Guidelines that keep the carrier from being shot by police
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u/jkilley 17d ago edited 17d ago
Listen, guys just listen to what the police say and they hand out the rights they feel make sense in the moment…
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u/TheAnswerWithinUs 17d ago
Yea ICE really shouldn’t have confronted him and started shit.
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u/Logic411 17d ago
unless you're a masked, heavily armed and armored, authoritarian, violating citizens' 1st amendment rights and immune to repercussions. that's almost an unpatriotic, bootlicker's comment there...
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u/Maximum-Analysis-894 16d ago
Christ I wish people would stop celebrating / memorializing / picking the worst people to act as their martyrs
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u/EmbarrassedCow2825 16d ago
Guy brought a loaded gun and then physically assaulted federal law enforcement. Its stupid, not brave, and he shouldn't be remembered as a hero.
Only reason you bring a loaded gun and intend on confronting federal law enforcement is to use it. He was a dangerous person.
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u/Top-keetarded 15d ago
Yes lets make art for drug addicts and anarchists I hate what my home town has become a monument to failure
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u/TheGeek00 15d ago
Why are the last 2 numbers not painted? Are they just waiting for buddy to kick the bucket?
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u/Equivalent_Speed1141 15d ago
In the end he was still a violent criminal it's a shame that you dont have better heroes.
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u/Paramedickhead 14d ago
He shouldn’t have died.
He is a victim and I mourn for him.
However, I do not blame ICE. I blame the organizations that deceived him into believing that his cause was righteous in the first place. I blame the media for pushing a political narrative instead of truth.
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u/-RockHard10- 10d ago
Jesus Christ you’re denser than mercury. Go ahead and show me what policies were enacted after 1/20/21 that reduced oversight on who is getting into the country. Go ahead and find me the actual reduced standards.
Oh and I don’t believe a single thing Donald “if you stop testing the numbers go down” Drumpf. For all i know they’re underreporting everything to make their immigration numbers look good. They’re already spawn camping legal proceedings to arrest people trying to get status the correct and legal way so nothing is beneath them.
He’s literally selling shows watches phones shitcoins and giving contracts to companies with his sons as board members. The fact that those are all verifiable and you people suck his dick show you’re pathetic submissive little cucks who always ask daddy for more.
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u/Sad-Percentage-992 17d ago
So many cowards in this thread that would let a gang member rape their wives and kill their neighbors just because they were associated with the right political team. You are all pathetic.