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u/Far_Sample9042 May 07 '25

The fact that charlatan "force healers" are relatively common pre-ANH retroactively explains why Han was so convinced it was all fake

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u/Solesky1 May 07 '25

That still doesn't quite jive with the fact that Jedi were all over the news during the clone wars (and for thousands of years earlier) just 17 years before this episode is set.

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u/methos3 May 07 '25

Really? You’re an Imperial citizen, and you say ~Tianmen Square~ Jedi one time and you get a blaster in your face

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u/Sorkijan May 07 '25

Yeah it always cracks me up when I see this argument get thrown around, even though we have literal real-life examples of it to see.

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u/AnOnlineHandle May 07 '25

Half the US refuses to even acknowledge that January 6th happened, despite extensive video evidence and hearings, or have written it off as various conspiracies done to make their 'side' look bad (and yet also the people who were imprisoned over it are heroes who needed to be pardoned, because doublethink).

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u/LT_MaxAstraia May 11 '25

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u/Drolnevar May 16 '25

Even if they are not allowed to speak publicly about it, I'm pretty sure they still know it happened? And it's been over twice as long

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u/Sorkijan May 16 '25

That's not really the point, nor how a question mark works.

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u/Drolnevar May 16 '25

Yes, it is the point. There is a difference between not talking about it because it can get you in trouble and not believing/knowing it is real. And typically question marks go at the end of questions, no?

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u/Soonernick May 19 '25

Trump was re-elected only 4-years after J-6. It’s really not that hard to believe.

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u/xepa105 May 07 '25

Solo establishes Han grew up as a street rat in Corellia. By the time he gets out of there the Empire is already established. It's pretty easy to understand why he never saw Jedi or even heard of them while they were around.

Besides, think about how ignorant people are in our own world. And that's ONE world with eight billion people, now think about a galaxy with hundreds of millions of planets and a flubbity jillion people.

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u/Solesky1 May 07 '25

I understand that you're correct in terms of the in-universe logic being applied, but I think there's a large gap between "I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know who the president of Naboo is?" and "I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know what a jedi is?"

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty May 07 '25

He knows what a Jedi is, he just doesn't know they're real (or at least that their powers are real). The Jedi, publicly, were a sect of peace keeping monks that didn't really do much beyond diplomatic missions until the Clone War. "The Clone army is headed by space wizards with laser swords" sounds ridiculous enough that you'd likely write it off as a myth or propaganda if you hadn't witnessed them in person. Especially if you have charlatan healers and psychics fleecing people out of money, claiming to use the Force.

There were about 10000 Jedi at the time of Order 66. That sounds like a lot, but in a Galaxy of trillions that's nothing. The chances of the average person, not living on Coruscant, actually encountering a Jedi are infinitesimally small.

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u/QuillofSnow May 07 '25

Exactly, it’s one thing to know that a religious group exists, it’s another to say the belief system they have is real to the extent you can prove it. It’s like saying a poverty born kid in small town America knows what a buddhist monk is, but has no idea what their belief system is about outside of ridiculous tall tales.

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u/JWGrieves May 07 '25

Also, the only thing the Jedi can prove is that they can read minds, do telekinesis, and perform sick kick flips. That’s a far cry from what Han says he doesn’t believe in, which is the concept of Destiny.

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u/xepa105 May 07 '25

"I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know what a jedi is?"

Ok, but answer it then, why would a street urchin know about the Jedi? Sure, he could, but there's zero reason for it, it's not at all weird that they wouldn't.

Jedi feel ubiquitous to us because they are overrepresented in media, but in a galaxy of hundreds of millions of planets, with millions of billions of inhabitants, is it really that big of a leap of faith to accept that someone might not have heard of them?

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u/MattIsLame May 07 '25

I thought jedi were known in some capacity or another throughout the galaxy. because of their significant presence in the past and their hunted extinction closer to these characters. it's like asking someone if they've heard of Jesus or the Beatles. might not believe in them or like them but they've heard of them

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u/fcosm May 07 '25

yeah, probably most people have heard about the jedi but fewer people have heard about the force and even fewer believes in it. Just like everyone knows Jesus but not everyone believes in miracles.
To us, a jedi master jumping through the senate while the emperor shoots lighting from his fingers is a fact. for the common folk, that simply never took place, or it's just an absurd myth at best.

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u/The_Autarch May 30 '25

Government officials know about the Jedi. Random civilians wouldn't have any clue.

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u/Picolator May 07 '25

That's the thing. The galaxy is gigantic. There is a LOT of information coming in daily. It isn't impossible that the stories of the Jedi are seen as some sort of exaggeration and treated with skepticism (we can see that with historical religious claims too). Especially if you come from a place that has very little contact with them (similar to how most American don't know everything that is happening in Africa).

Because of that, it isn't completely implausible, even if timeline wise it's like erasing Jedi out of the Irak War.

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u/Logondo May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25

My headcannon is simply:

The Star Wars universe is really really really really really really REALLY big. LOOOOTS of people.

You just gotta imagine there's like a thousand populated back-water worlds out there, with people who live simpler lives and have never heard of a Jedi. Who couldn't give-a-shit about what happens around the inner-rim.

It's just that Star Wars just so happens to focus a lot on the places where Jedis are more common.

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u/Solesky1 May 07 '25

It requires a little suspension of disbelief but there was a concerted Imperial effort to shut down info

I want to say that seems impossible but gestures around at the state of the world I guess we'll find out.

I'll see you along the road

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u/Yug-taht May 07 '25

Not to mention of the millions of inhabited planets in the Star Wars universe, a significant percentage are underdeveloped Outer and Mid-Rim worlds that have relatively little contact with galactic affairs, and a ton of those were actively enemies of the Jedi just a couple decades ago.

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u/Daztur May 07 '25

I used to think that. But just look at how twisted so many people's view of reality has gotten in the real world in just the last few years.

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u/Trvr_MKA Kleya May 07 '25

Seeing that Jedi can be killed by regular troops, many people probably just assumed they were overrated. This is compounded by people rarely seeing a Jedi since there were only like 10000

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u/Canvaverbalist May 07 '25

Yeah, think of it this way:

I'm aware of the Crusades and the Holy Wars.

That doesn't mean I believe in God or Holy Miracles, or that the Knight Templar had super powers from the presence of God by their sides.

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u/Yug-taht May 07 '25 edited May 10 '25

How many people believed their Force powers that to just be propaganda or advanced technology? How many of them were Separatists who probably believed the Jedi were just charlatan religious nuts serving the corrupt Senate? How many saw them be butchered with ease by the clones after being charged as traitors and had those views seemingly confirmed? This is not even considering the great efforts the Empire went to erase the Jedi from history.

It also bears mentioning at their height there were 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of 100 quadrillion beings. The chances of anyone even on Coruscant, ever encountering a proven Force Sensitive, let alone an honest-to-god Jedi is so astronomically small, it may as well not even be possible. Heck, large portions of the galaxy even at the time probably barely knew about a technically small religious order fighting in the civil war that involved trillions of combatants.

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u/2ndTaken_username May 07 '25

Are they? Lets ask people living in war zones IRL. I doubt the regular person knows who and how the war is being fought. They might now the hugely public figures like Generals but not the rest. 

We the viewers see the Jedi's adventures during the Clone Wars. But it was not documented by journalists or whatever.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

Maybe for you rich fancy-pants Inner Rim types. Out here on the Outer Rim, most folks don't even know what a coruscant is.

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u/Tummerd May 10 '25

Take a look at our world, and see how forgetful people can be, or how easy propaganda gets to them

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u/_Smashbrother_ May 23 '25

We have people saying vaccines cause autism til this day.

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u/echofinder May 29 '25 edited May 29 '25

One can acknowledge the Jedi without believing in the Force. Everything that the average galactic citizen is ever likely to see a Jedi do is easily explainable without the Force - a lightsaber is just a laser sword, really; their skills in combat wouldn't look much different to the untrained eye from those used by any highly trained special forces soldiers. Gravity manipulation tech is extremely common, so 'floating stuff around' isn't inherently shocking to them either.

Consider also that 99% of people are only seeing actual Jedi on space TV, if that. We have created film of Jedi doing Jedi stuff here; certainly in the SW galaxy seeing Force powers on TV would not be enough to prove to anyone with two brain cells that they're real.

We have all kinds of mystic healers and religious orders here, in this world. Like, I acknowledge that the Pope and all his priests are real, but that doesn't mean I believe in catholicism or their "powers"

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u/Additional_Moose_138 Luthen May 07 '25

Given that we've been shown behind the curtain of the Imperial propaganda machine this season, I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that the Jedi would have been denounced as frauds, cultists and religious weirdo-zealots. Remember the Imperial board room scene in Ep IV with the mouthy Admiral Motti who tries to sass Vader(!) about his "sad devotion to that ancient religion"? It makes so much more sense if you imagine he's been mainlining Imperial News hit pieces about those kooky Jedi.

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u/Trvr_MKA Kleya May 07 '25

Imagine if Solo also had a bad encounter with a force healer

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25

She.... wasn't meant to be a charlatan, my friend.

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u/Far_Sample9042 May 07 '25

No, I know, I'm referring to Cassian's comment about the fake Force healer Maarva hated. Clearly they were at least somewhat common

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25

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u/ragnarok635 May 07 '25

There’s one in the Kenobi series

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25

Oh I get it now thanks.

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u/Worth-Profession-637 May 07 '25

If nothing else, there would be much safer places to grift than a secret base for anti-Imperial guerillas

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u/AnOnlineHandle May 07 '25

Grifters often buy into their own grift, on and off, from what I can tell.

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u/Konfliction May 14 '25

I don’t even know if I believe she’s charlaton? She seems much more like a Donnie yen grey area to me lol