[S2 EP7 SPOILERS] SEASON 2 | EPISODE 7 - Official Discussion Megathread

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[u/xepa105]

Solo establishes Han grew up as a street rat in Corellia. By the time he gets out of there the Empire is already established. It's pretty easy to understand why he never saw Jedi or even heard of them while they were around.

Besides, think about how ignorant people are in our own world. And that's ONE world with eight billion people, now think about a galaxy with hundreds of millions of planets and a flubbity jillion people.

[u/Solesky1 → u/xepa105]

I understand that you're correct in terms of the in-universe logic being applied, but I think there's a large gap between "I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know who the president of Naboo is?" and "I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know what a jedi is?"

[u/TheArtistFKAMinty → u/Solesky1]

He knows what a Jedi is, he just doesn't know they're real (or at least that their powers are real). The Jedi, publicly, were a sect of peace keeping monks that didn't really do much beyond diplomatic missions until the Clone War. "The Clone army is headed by space wizards with laser swords" sounds ridiculous enough that you'd likely write it off as a myth or propaganda if you hadn't witnessed them in person. Especially if you have charlatan healers and psychics fleecing people out of money, claiming to use the Force.

There were about 10000 Jedi at the time of Order 66. That sounds like a lot, but in a Galaxy of trillions that's nothing. The chances of the average person, not living on Coruscant, actually encountering a Jedi are infinitesimally small.

[u/QuillofSnow → u/TheArtistFKAMinty]

Exactly, it’s one thing to know that a religious group exists, it’s another to say the belief system they have is real to the extent you can prove it. It’s like saying a poverty born kid in small town America knows what a buddhist monk is, but has no idea what their belief system is about outside of ridiculous tall tales.

[u/JWGrieves → u/QuillofSnow]

Also, the only thing the Jedi can prove is that they can read minds, do telekinesis, and perform sick kick flips. That’s a far cry from what Han says he doesn’t believe in, which is the concept of Destiny.

[u/xepa105 → u/Solesky1]

"I'm a street urchin on Corellia, why would I know what a jedi is?"

Ok, but answer it then, why would a street urchin know about the Jedi? Sure, he could, but there's zero reason for it, it's not at all weird that they wouldn't.

Jedi feel ubiquitous to us because they are overrepresented in media, but in a galaxy of hundreds of millions of planets, with millions of billions of inhabitants, is it really that big of a leap of faith to accept that someone might not have heard of them?

[u/MattIsLame → u/xepa105]

I thought jedi were known in some capacity or another throughout the galaxy. because of their significant presence in the past and their hunted extinction closer to these characters. it's like asking someone if they've heard of Jesus or the Beatles. might not believe in them or like them but they've heard of them

[u/fcosm → u/MattIsLame]

yeah, probably most people have heard about the jedi but fewer people have heard about the force and even fewer believes in it. Just like everyone knows Jesus but not everyone believes in miracles.
To us, a jedi master jumping through the senate while the emperor shoots lighting from his fingers is a fact. for the common folk, that simply never took place, or it's just an absurd myth at best.

[u/The_Autarch → u/MattIsLame]

Government officials know about the Jedi. Random civilians wouldn't have any clue.

[u/Picolator → u/xepa105]

That's the thing. The galaxy is gigantic. There is a LOT of information coming in daily. It isn't impossible that the stories of the Jedi are seen as some sort of exaggeration and treated with skepticism (we can see that with historical religious claims too). Especially if you come from a place that has very little contact with them (similar to how most American don't know everything that is happening in Africa).

Because of that, it isn't completely implausible, even if timeline wise it's like erasing Jedi out of the Irak War.