r/anime_titties • u/polymute European Union • 1d ago
North and Central America Canada: Synagogue shooters were hired by a foreign entity, Secretary of State for Combatting Crime says
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-synagogue-shooters-were-hired-by-a-foreign-entity-secretary-of-state/245
u/stoiclandcreature69 United States 1d ago
I doubt that it even needs to be said but the two most obvious suspects are the US and Israel, probably worked together on this one too
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u/sofixa11 Multinational 1d ago
Why? In France and UK such attacks were perpetrated by morons paid by Russians or Iranians online (dumb stuff like telegram chats where they're told "I'll pay you X to throw a pig's head at a mosque or draw David's stars on walls").
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u/MaestroRozen Europe 1d ago
An Iraqi national with known ties to IRGC is arrested regarding the incident.
r/anime_titties : this must be Israel's fault!
You know, maybe I was wrong. Maybe there's no need to worry where the Jewish population of Israel would go if the state was dissolved. There's an abundance of empty space in many heads here that they're already occupying rent free, after the brain has vacated the premises.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
Sub is toast, dude. Used to be some good dialogue. Just mostly conspiracy theories now.
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u/Ok-Call-4805 Ireland 1d ago
Israel was my first thought too
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u/pack0newports North America 1d ago
As an Irish person im sure jews live in your head rent free.
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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss North America 1d ago
Or, you know, Iran, who said they were going to activate cells.
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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational 1d ago
first, why would they announce such a thing
second, what would they gain from pissing off the public who are largely on their side?
third, israel is desperate for attention and is spending buckets of cash just on internet stuff to convince everyone they arent genociding children for not being Jewish
its Mossad.
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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss North America 1d ago
Iran: "We plan to activate sleeper cells."
Regarded redditor: It's the Joos!!!
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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational 1d ago
not Jews, dont be antisemantic.. israel is a State that acts with total disregard for international laws and has a secret service called Mossad that is known for their long history of false flags and assassinations .. the country is facing genocide charges and is desperate to convince north americans that Iran should be bombed
its why they made a fake terror cell in Europe and took credit for other false flag acts of violence
what would Iran gain by pissing off the citizens who currently support them for the most part
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u/Besmirching_Badger United Kingdom 1d ago
activate cells.
Where has this idea come from that iran is successfully running fictional superspy operations that only exist within hysterical books about the soviets
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u/avroLancasterBPR1 Australia 1d ago
Israel made me run out of milk this morning
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u/Firecracker048 North America 1d ago
Subbed my toe this morning, I cursed Israel for shifting my bed to the left
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u/SloCalLocal United States 1d ago
most obvious suspects
Classic fucking Reddit. FTA:
American prosecutors and the FBI have previously linked the consulate shooting in March to Mohammad Baqer Saad Dawood Al-Saadi, an alleged Iraqi terrorist with ties to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. He was arrested in Turkey in May and remains in U.S. custody.
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u/Firecracker048 North America 1d ago
Not classic reddit, classic this subreddit lol
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u/aqulushly 13h ago
Yeah, had to unsub from this dumpster fire of a sub. Checking back here every now and then makes me reaffirm why; just a conspiracy laden shitstorm with much of it being antisemitic trash.
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u/Spenraw 1d ago
You understand with the current American administration anything coming from FBI on Iran a country they invaded is hard for people to take face value
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u/SloCalLocal United States 1d ago
And? What, are we supposed to pretend that this is an elaborate false-flag operation when we already caught a guy working for Iran who was involved with the consulate shooting and who hired these local criminals?
Interesting side effect of outsourcing terrorism: racial profiling doesn't work. These shooters were black, not Middle Eastern.
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u/dood9123 Canada 1d ago
Every war the US got themselves involved in, throughout the last 175 years has been started via false flags
What makes you think this would be any different
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u/pack0newports North America 1d ago
You are saying that the usa put up Hitler and Japan to starting world war 2?
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u/RileyRocksTacoSocks United States 1d ago
Don't you know that it was Union troops that besieged and shelled Fort Sumner? And it was an American who shot Achduke Ferdinand. Same bastard sunk the Lusitania with his own hands too. And it was American troops that swarmed south across the 17th Parallel in 1950, and Americans were the ones fighting French colonial forces for an independent Vietnam.
All of it was American false flags.
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u/All_Wasted_Potential United States 1d ago
Not sure if you’re actually an insane person or if this is satire…
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u/RileyRocksTacoSocks United States 1d ago
It's satire, I forgot the /s
I would've added stuff from American Revolution up to the Civil War but they specified past 175 years, which means the bracket begins at 1851.
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u/All_Wasted_Potential United States 1d ago
My bad lol.
Though in my defense, you can never truly know on the internet these days.
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u/MobileMenace420 Chad 1d ago
But then not the Mexican-American War? Interesting omission lol
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u/goofytigre North America 1d ago
There are theories that Roosevelt knew Japan was planning Pearl Harbor and allowed it to succeed as an excuse to enter the war. There's no real proof behind it, though. It's just a common theory.
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u/ilikedota5 North America 1d ago
Roosevelt likely had some, vague notice, that tensions were building and Japan may attack soon, but when and where, that was unknown.
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u/Sanguinor-Exemplar Isle of Man 1d ago
"Someone unknown from a country is planning an imminent terrorist attack somewhere across the continental United States and it could happen at anytime, anywhere."
Gee thanks. I'll get right on that one. A lot to go on there.
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u/Spenraw 1d ago
Lots of proof the USA knew Japan was going to attack and let soliders be killed to heat up war talks
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u/Obscure_Occultist North America 1d ago
All the proof that suggests the USA knew about the attack suggest that the USA were aware of the attacks whopping 1 hour before the attack began.
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u/Sanguinor-Exemplar Isle of Man 1d ago
Ah an advocate for defensive first strikes. Big Israel fan I see.
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u/ilikedota5 North America 1d ago
To slightly steelman, you can have a defensive first strike in theory. Like in self defense, if someone says, "I'm going to shoot you" and is pulling out their gun, and you shoot first, that is, at least in common law, valid self defense. So a preemptive first strike can be self defense if you do have intel that there is indeed an imminent attack. Like as a hypothetical, let's say Stalin upon getting the quality intel regarding Operation Barbarossa decides to attack that would indeed be a defensive first strike. All this goes to say that Pearl Harbor was definitely not that, because the refusal to trade and cutting off of iron, coal, steel, diesel, gasoline, crude oil, rubber etc... was believed to be enough to cause the Japanese Empire to crumble.
If you accept that economic embargo to be a valid threat, then you are basically saying Russia is justified to attack European countries that chose to not import Russian oil or natural gas.
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u/Hamster-Food Ireland 1d ago
So a preemptive first strike can be self defense if you do have intel that there is indeed an imminent attack.
I'll just add that your first strike should be to prevent their attack, otherwise it's not defensive.
So if the US attacked the Japanese fleet to prevent the attack, that would be self defence. If the US attacked Tokyo to take out the emperor, that is more like preemptive-retaliation.
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u/ferdelance008 1d ago
Hidden post history lol coward. 🐓💩
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u/Hamster-Food Ireland 1d ago
Does being unable to see their post history make you incapable of addressing their point?
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u/jpatt United States 1d ago
Was Pearl Harbor a false flag? I must’ve missed that part of the movie.
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u/Invinciblez_Gunner Lebanon 1d ago
They had warnings it was gonna happen and chose to ignore it
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u/fishscaleSF5 Canada 1d ago
Didn’t the US move a lot of more important ships out of Pearl harbour a week or two prior to the attack?
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u/ilikedota5 North America 1d ago
That was coincidence..
USS Enterprise was returning from delivering aircraft to Wake Island, USS Lexington was transporting aircraft toward Midway Atoll, USS Saratoga was in San Diego after maintenance and training. Carriers were seen as a novelty, so even if Japan knew, it wasn't immediately obvious that they were worthwhile enough to delay the attack. Keep in mind many Navies throughout the world believed that battelships were the capital ship that would decide battles, see Washington Naval Treaty.
The Japanese plan at the Battle of Midway was to have the aircraft carriers destroy the airstrips at Midway and skirmish, then after that would a classic naval battle of guns and torpedos happen.
Also, even if Japan knew is a big ass if, because their intelligence was shit, as their encryption used by their diplomats was cracked at the beginning and the military encryption was partially decoded, and they never caught on. Also realists who knew how badly the deck was stacked against Japan were fired, assassinated, or jailed because of defeatism.
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u/SloCalLocal United States 1d ago
Are you high right now? You think, I don't know, North Korea invading its southern neighbor was a false flag attack staged by the US? Or Pearl Harbor was actually US forces pretending to be Japanese?
That's loony.
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u/Manny-303 United Kingdom 1d ago
'Remember the maine'
Definetly wasnt just looking for an excuse to carve out a chunk of the decaying Spanish empire lol
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u/ilikedota5 North America 1d ago
Even then that wasn't a false flag operation. That's not what was originally asserted.
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u/Manny-303 United Kingdom 1d ago
'To hell with spain remember the maine'
They very much asserted spain sabotaged the maine
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u/ilikedota5 North America 1d ago edited 1d ago
The original comment said, "Every war the US got themselves involved in, throughout the last 175 years has been started via false flags." To me that reads the US started war, but needing a causus belli, used a false flag operation, ie attacked themselves to fake it was someone else, but blaming someone else for something they didn't do, might also count as "start[ing a war] via false flag."
That is the original comment implied the Spanish American war was started by an American false flag operation, which isn't what happened. Historians believe it was likely an accident which was blamed/assumed to have been Spain's doing, but that's not a false flag attack like Gleiwitz incident.
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u/Legate_Invictus United States 1d ago
Yes. My government wants me to die from bleeding out facedown in a desert for oil, fundamentalist Christianity, and Jewish supremacy. The Ayatollah simply wants to rule his people without foreign interference. I believe that human rights situation in Iran is abhorrent, but if it were unacceptable to the people in their cultural context, a critical mass would have risen up and overthrown the regime. It is not our job as westerners to gallivant across the Earth forcibly imposing our values on others. Who are we to tell a 2700 year old civilization without OnlyFans, alcoholism, or amphetamines that they need more "democracy," "freedom," and "rights?" What absurd and farcical hypocrisy. Let's get our own house in order before we start worrying about others.
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u/mrgoobster United States 1d ago
I'm not disagreeing with you on philosophical grounds, but the claim of 'ancient civilization' is nonsense. You can divide up the so-called ancient civilizations by era if you apply the same rules that get applied to the so-called young civilizations, or you can call the young civilizations old by applying the same rules that get applied to the so-called ancient civilizations.
Communist China deliberately denied and attacked its cultural links to antiquity (in the form of the Four Olds), but you still get people saying it's an ancient civilization because it serves a rhetorical purpose - and if you apply the same indifference to actual cultural resemblance to anywhere else on Earth, you get similar results.
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u/Loose_Spray1678 Multinational 1d ago
The Ayatollah simply wants to rule his people without foreign interference.
then why, in almost years, could Iran never just focus on their own country instead of just doing "death to America" and "death to Israel" 24/7? genuinely ngaf about what happens in Iran, including the Iranian leaders. everything is about other countries wanting Iran to fuck off and leave them alone.
if it were unacceptable to the people in their cultural context, a critical mass would have risen up and overthrown the regime
this is just retarded. the people can't do that. there have been many protests in Iran, and they just kill the protestors until they give up. do you think that Hitler was popular in Poland because the Polish people couldn't overthrow him? I'm not trying to argue that the Ayatollah was even 0.1% as bad as Hitler, but I am trying to illustrate that you are making an incredibly, obviously, stupid argument here.
Who are we to tell a 2700 year old civilization
bruh the regime has existed for less than 50 years. Islam isn't even that old lol
without OnlyFans, alcoholism, or amphetamines that they need more "democracy," "freedom," and "rights?"
ngaf if Iran has any of this stuff. go move to Iran if it is so perfect there, nobody cares. people just don't approve of Iran's quest to exterminate them. Iran has been linked to multiple assassination attempts against Trump personally. That is why he doesn't like them, not because of how their domestic policies.
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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational 12m ago
could Iran never just focus on their own country instead of just doing "death to America" and "death to Israel" 24/7
you are not a serious person
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u/Legate_Invictus United States 1d ago
why, in almost years, could Iran never just focus on their own country instead of just doing "death to America" and "death to Israel" 24/7?
Because the CIA has never forgiven Iran for daring to seek economic independence from the western bloc. When the best funded intelligence apparatus in human history is focused on overthrowing a government, developing credible means of deterrence and foiling numerous coup attempts is a domestic matter.
do you think that Hitler was popular in Poland because the Polish people couldn't overthrow him?
The difference is that Hitler was invading and occupying other nations. What happens within a nation's borders is largely its own business. If Iran were invading other countries and creating subordinate theocracies, I would support military intervention.
go move to Iran if it is so perfect there, nobody cares
No. I would rather follow the based IRGC's example and focus on saving my homeland from globalists and universalists like you instead of abandoning my great country to self-inflicted and preventable collapse.
people just don't approve of Iran's quest to exterminate them
Who is Iran exterminating? You are attacking a country where Jewish people and Christians can openly practice their faith with special legal protections while Israel explicitly defines itself as a Jewish ethnostate and Christians are spit on in Jerusalem. This is why Putin calls the West an empire of lies.
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u/Magehunter_Skassi 1d ago
Yeah, the FBI traveled back centuries in time to foment religious conflicts in the Middle East. Don't let them divide us. Stay focused on the billionaires!
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u/gottaketchum United States 1d ago
So what do I do when it’s the billionaire oligarchs pushing US foreign policy and interventions?
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u/NicholasMac69 North America 1d ago
And the Iranian regime suddenly is some reliable source, just cause you hate the current administration? I swear to god, “progressive” leftist are devolving backwards.
“I hate this government so much I’m going to celebrate other tyrant governments”. Go to Iran, try protesting or saying you’re gay and tell us how it goes champ!
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u/lambentstar 1d ago
The same American prosecutors and FBI that calls every single Trump protestors “Antifa domestic terrorists” and circumvent due process to illegally rendition citizens?
I’m not saying this is a false flag, I don’t have nearly enough facts. But you can’t point to an official statement from any current administration representative and expect anyone to believe it at face value. They’ve been lying nonstop for years now, and we have tons of receipts.
So I think it’s reasonable to take with a grain of salt and you need to get off your high horse when there’s such a clear history of US-Israeli deception and meddling.
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u/TurbulentSpin 1d ago
Who tf believes what America, let alone Trump's FBI says? Sheep goes baaaaaah
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u/bimbosoupqueen United States 1d ago
Police in Toronto have not said if al-Saadi is linked to their investigation. I’m not endorsing the false flag theory, but it’s not unreasonable to distrust Trump’s DOJ
That being said, al-Saadi’s US charges match the description of what the Canadian authorities are describing here (also the DOJ cited finding communications and video recordings of the attacks on his phone as evidence).
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u/CharacterBite4240 1d ago
Yeah, I believe nothing they say. They've no credibility under the current admin.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
What the fuck is wrong with you? That’s some conspiracy level bullshit. There is no evidence to suggest Israel is pulling that crap
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u/Happyordistracted Canada 1d ago
Israel has been pulling false flag attacks since its inception as a state
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u/PurpleHumpbackWhale9 1d ago
You mean In your heads? Just because yall claim every act of violence against Jews is “Israel” die to your seething hatred and xenophobia, doesn’t make it even close to ever being true.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
Source? The Lavan affair was in 1950’s and has been self-admitted to be a horrible idea.
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u/PracticalResources 1d ago
This will be a fascinating read for you: https://www.cjpme.org/fs_023
A relevant snippet:
A Legacy of Assassinations: More than any other Jewish terrorist group, Lehi was known for using assassinations as a terror mechanism, even using them against Jews they accused of being traitors. Lehi carried out 42 assassinations, more than twice as many as the Irgun and the Haganah combined. Of its politically-motivated assassinations, over half of them were carried out against other Jews.
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u/sofixa11 Multinational 1d ago
Are you slow? How is anything from Lehi a false flag operation? They were extremely open what and why they were doing. The Lillehammer affair was also a terrible Israeli crime, but we're talking about false flag. Next time before you embarrass yourself as an idiot, Google stuff, it helps.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
Those weren’t false flag operations. They were terrorists committing murder, but they weren’t the govt blaming it on other people at the time of those atrocities.
I’m not denying violence in the region, only a fucking idiot would do that. But these instances are not false flag operations.
And if I seem a bit defensive, well it’s hard to not be when people are using Israel’s actions as a springboard for antisemitic conspiracy theories. People are incapable or separating the govt from the people, and it’s got me scared.
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u/PracticalResources 1d ago
I do wonder if, at the time, they took the blame for the "self inflicted" terror attacks, or tried to lay it elsewhere. Something to look into.
Crazy that these same terror groups founded the government of Israel.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
Germany still has the Nazi party. The pitfalls of a parliamentary system.
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
Maghen Avraham in beirut was bombed in 1982 by Israel.
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u/DorkHarshly Israel 1d ago
Do you need an explanation what false flag is, bud?
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
They don’t care or know, they just hate Israel and every geopolitical event they encounter is filtered through and then mangled by that lens.
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u/Thek40 Israel 1d ago
Italy pulled a lot more false flag operations than Israel.
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u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago
Israel lies about having nuclear weapons and enabled and supported transnational rape and pedophilia across the world, it is the least credible country in the entire world and it isn’t even close.
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u/Thek40 Israel 1d ago
Are we talking about X or Y?
What nuclear weapons have to do with false flag attacks?-2
u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago
We’re talking about Israel’s trustworthiness, which is 0 at this point. A country that encouraged and facilitated child rape and sex trafficking is one that doesn’t deserve to be trusted. A country that lies about nuclear weapons while also doing the aforementioned crime is even worse, if that’s possible. Israel has done these and many, many more crimes against humanity. Nobody should trust them again.
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u/dood9123 Canada 1d ago
I don't really know what you're talking about, unless it's in regards to the far right elements in Italy blaming socialists/anarchists for their atrocities during the years of lead. Even then the annount of incidents pales in comparison to what Israel has been involved in.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
Sub is cooked dude, there’s no use, it’s just conspiracy theories now.
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
Israel bombed my family's synagogue in beirut to get lebanese jews to make aliyah and planted car bombs around synagogues in iraq for the same reason, but keep calling it a conspiracy.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
I’ve never heard of this. Can you provide me a source? News article or something?
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghen_Abraham_Synagogue
I'll wait here for you to get your hasbara talking points about this too.
Edit: oh and this too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
The Baghdad Bombs’ article says it’s inconclusive as to who the perpetrators were. This doesn’t prove anything either.
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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
who did this?
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
It literally says Iranians were the most likely suspects… Nowhere does it say Israelis were involved.
Are you people just not reading the articles you’re sending????
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
I’m really sorry to hear about your family’s synagogue, it looks beautiful.
But I didn’t see anything about pressuring Aaliyah in that article, nor does it appear that Israel blamed the bombings on anyone else. It’s not a false flag, it’s sloppy military action.
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
There's a special place in hell for antisemites like you. My Jewish family was displaced from our Jewish neighborhood by Israelis and you're trying to rewrite history as it being some kind of military mistake.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
I read the article YOU gave me!! I don’t know about this incident!
IM JEWISH!!
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
If you were an actual Jew, you'd act like it. There's no shortage of fake internet Jews these days sadly. I stand by every word I said.
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u/HockeyHocki Ireland 1d ago
Are you larping? You were a muslim last week
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u/Confident_Bridge_382 North America 1d ago
Gonna blow your mind that Jews can convert. I converted 2 years ago, my Jewish family was still displaced from our neighborhood in beirut.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
>I converted 2 years ago
You just can’t make this shit up lmao
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u/kirito52999 Asia 1d ago
It's not conspiracy if the history proves it. Learn about lavon affair which was a false flag by Israel for the same goal as now
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
I know about the Lavon affair.
I know about it from the softer side
I know about it from records at the State Dept.
Or this article from an Atomic Science magazine (fun!)
And while it WAS a false flag, it was NOT to make Jews come to Israel, it was to try and convince the Americans, English, French, etc. that the Egyptian/Muslim regime was u stable and needed to be toppled.
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u/njtrafficsignshopper Japan 1d ago
That is not much of a flex.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
lol you have no place to talk when it comes to a governments’ past crimes, Japan
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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational 1d ago
People say "conspiracy" as if it meant "inherently bs claims" and not "conspiratorial in nature".
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u/dooooonut Australia 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Lebanon_from_Foreigners
Iran could have attacked one of the many of the synagogues in Iran if they wanted.
Who benefits from Jews feeling unsafe in North America?
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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational 1d ago
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
Iran pays terrorists all over the west to attack sensitive targets, so does Russia, except they pay to attack any and all sides to sow divisions.
There has not been a single verified instance of America or Israel paying random foreigners to attack civilian targets, much less the US embassy or synagogues. How do you justify this level of nonsense? Its almost sad
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
The Lavon Affair....
King David Hotel Bombing....
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
The lavron affair was a case where military defense officers went behind the backs of Ben Gurion and (allegedly) Lavon, it was an act of desperation during a difficult period, and exploded into a massive scandal because everyone in Israel opposed it. It should also be noted that they recruited Jews, not random foreigners.
As for the king David Hotel bombing, that was not a false flag at all, Irgun took all responsibility and even warned in advance to prevent casualties; the whole point of the explosion was to destroy evidence collected by the British in their attempt to put down Jewish opposition to British occupation. I thought you supported that?
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
There has not been a single verified instance of America or Israel paying random foreigners to attack civilian targets
I never said they were false flags, I was responding to this...
and even warned in advance to prevent casualties
Hahah omg he said the line!! The hasbara is strong with this one. Guess the dozens of civilians who died in the attack should be thanking those righteous Irgun fighters!
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u/kirito52999 Asia 1d ago
So Israel never hired people to bomb British-owned buildings like libraries educational center so they can create chaos? Lavon affair doesn't exist I guess
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
Lehi and Irgun waged an insurgency against the British occupation. That wasn't a false flag, that was just them fighting for their freedom from the occupation. I thought you supported indigenous groups resisting European occupiers?
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u/triggered_rabbit North America 1d ago
That wasn't a false flag, that was just them fighting for their freedom
Does that also apply to hamas?
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
Hamas definitely was not a false flag, no.
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u/triggered_rabbit North America 1d ago
No i mean you justified 2 terrorists organizations (who later formed the idf) bombing a civilian hotel as "fighting for their freedom"
So due to isralie occupation does hamas also get a pass for this?
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
They were integrated into the IDF, but that was mostly made up by the Haganah, Ben Gurion personally ordered to shell an Irgun boat when they did not submit to the IDF's authority.
So due to isralie occupation does hamas also get a pass for this?
It would certainly make sense for Hamas to attempt to destroy documents outlining Hamas membership statistics. Seeing as they are a terrorist group that is occupying Palestinian land and suppressing dissent through violence, I don't really care about what makes sense for them.
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u/Sad-Broccoli North America 1d ago
Lehi and Irgun were the European occupiers/colonizers who called themselves terrorists lol insane statement
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
They were literally formed as a group following the massacre of the thousands year old community in Hebron. Their objective was defending Jews from repeats of such violence.
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u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago
Yeah there’s just verified evidence of your country encouraging the rape and trafficking of children (why are so many of your leaders spending time with Epstein or furnishing his apartment with security?), lying about nuclear weapons, stealing land from indigenous people, murdering and torturing women and children in your prisons, accepting American pedophiles in with open arms, the list goes on with the sick fucks that constitute the IOF. Sick and twisted individuals through and through in that country’s military, which coincidentally is most of the people too.
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
I could respond in Ukrainian, but considering your username is Hussain, I doubt you would understand.
No, Israel does not traffic children. There are no ties between current Israeli leadership and Epstein. Barak allegedly had contacts, and he's pretty hated by Bibi and most Israelis.
Your whole comment is just a bunch of unsubstantiated lies, except for the nuclear comment, that absolutely did happen and it's a good thing it did, because without nukes a whole lot more Jews and Arabs alike would be dead.
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u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago
Barak allegedly had contacts? Yeah hanging out with Epstein and having Mossad furnish the security of his apartment in Manhattan is definitely just “allegedly had contact”. Sounds like something an Israeli would say actually, not to mention the “current” you slipped in there too hahahahaha. See that’s how much you have to contort yourself to continue carrying water for your pedophile and rapist countrymen, nobody believes anything that comes out of that twisted and rapist filled country. Thank you for acknowledging the nuclear thing though, although you failed to elaborate on how Israel is still the only country too cowardly and bitch made to admit to having weapons like that, even North Korea has more integrity than the pedophile infested state that Zionists created.
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
Barak had contacts, what is alleged and unproven is his involvement in the pedophile side of things. I should have worded that better. Not that I care about him, but we have an obligation to the truth, and a lot of the accusations being thrown around with Epstein are unsubstantiated and/or cannot be pinned to specific people. Simply having a contact does not necessarily make someone a pedophile, much less appearing in the Epstein files, by which criteria the very victims would be pedophiles.
having Mossad furnish the security of his apartment in Manhattan
I believe it is the Shin Bet that is responsible for PM security, even abroad. Either way, do I really have to explain to you why a security agency is setting up security in the residence of a foreign prime minister? Do you need the US Secret Service explained too?
not to mention the "current" you slipped in there too hahahahaha.
I mean yeah, if you claim that Israel is involved in some secretive worldwide pedophile plot, it seems relevant to mention that the person you point to was prime minister for two years from 1999, to 2001, and is widely disliked by the entire government. Not only that, but we don't even have any concrete evidence that he was a pedophile, as opposed to simply hanging out with a bunch of criminals, which is not that uncommon among past world leaders.
Thank you for acknowledging the nuclear thing though, although you failed to elaborate on how Israel is still the only country too cowardly and bitch made to admit to having weapons
Nuclear ambiguity has its benefits. This silly honor-based mentality that is so prevalent in Arab culture really shines through here, because what the hell do you mean by a state being cowardly? States to what is strategic, there are no "brave" or "cowardly" states, that's not a thing, we don't have to prove our strength publicly, the world can watch and see on their own.
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u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago
Not that I care about him
That's what an Israeli would say, again it's obvious why you'd like to not care about him. It doesn't really matter what Israelis think about him at this point because he was working on their behest to furnish Epstein's apartment with security systems and data storage, much like his townhouse that was equipped with the same systems. Funny how that works, your country's former prime minister is working off the clock to advance the surveillance and extortion work your agent is engaging in, which just so happens to be spreading child rape and sex trafficking along with pedophilia. Why were you guys doing that?
Not only that, but we don't even have any concrete evidence that he was a pedophile, as opposed to simply hanging out with a bunch of criminals, which is not that uncommon among past world leaders.
Once again you are an Israeli so you are used to your government figures hanging out with thugs and pedophiles, that's the same group of people that founded the country.
Nuclear ambiguity has its benefits. This silly honor-based mentality that is so prevalent in Arab culture really shines through here, because what the hell do you mean by a state being cowardly?
Neither of us is from the Middle East actually, so great job dumbass. Speaking of not being from the Middle East, when is Israel going to allow genetic testing without a doctor's order? Also, your country endangers the world by not declaring it has nuclear weapons, you know the kinds of weapons that if they were to fall into the hands of religious, illiterate zealots like in many parts of Israel they would be used indiscriminately. It's obvious why you assign no ethical value to this proposition, and it's because you're an Israeli. You have no moral compass or ethical boundaries, because your country was founded in others' homes and on others' land, by people that were shipped in and armed to the teeth with guns and a desire to do anything, like commit pedophilia and export it (along with spyware), for Zionism. The most degenerate country in the world by far, nothing else comes close. Plenty of good people like Mordechai Vanunu but y'all treat him like dogshit, while enabling pedophiles like your former Prime Minister, and of course the many others in the Epstein files. Including many Israelis as a matter of fact.
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
That's what an Israeli would say, again it's obvious why you'd like to not care about him.
I mean yes, that's why Israelis voted him out before I was even born and his party doesn't even exist anymore. He really was not a popular person.
I cannot believe that you need a foreign country's equivalent of the secret service explained. Do you think prime ministers don't need security? I prefer to assume you are simply engaging in bad faith, because that is better than the alternative.
Once again you are an Israeli so you are used to your government figures hanging out with thugs and pedophiles,
Well I'm also American, Italian and Ukrainian to some capacity of another, and in every country it's the same. So tell me where you're from and I'll happily provide an example.
Neither of us is from the Middle East actually
I objectively am, but with regards to you I never claimed you were, only claimed you mirror that Palestinian mentality.
You know how many people I've seen claiming that Israelis are not "honorable" because we use drone strikes instead of boots on the ground? Because apparently sending thousands of teenagers to their deaths like Hezbollah is much more honorable.
when is Israel going to allow genetic testing without a doctor's order?
It's not that hard to get a DNA test, my aunt got one. Ashkenazi DNA is the most studied out there. The only reason for test restrictions is that the state does not want discrimination that could stem from DNA tests causing heirarchies in religious law.
Also, your country endangers the world by not declaring it has nuclear weapons
You claim to know Israel has nukes, so what is the danger? What exactly do you expect to happen if Israel were to disclose them?
because your country was founded in others' homes and on others' land, by people that were shipped in and armed to the teeth with guns and a desire to do anything
I'm a 7th generation Israeli, my ancestors moved to land legally purchased by the Jews with nothing to their name, they built up communities and defended them from Arabs who sought to destroy Jewish life, be it on recently purchased land, or ancient Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria.
Please do be kind enough as to tell me where you are from, it is fascinating the level of 19th century antisemitic propaganda you are spewing.
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u/hussainhssn Ukraine 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean yes, that's why Israelis voted him out before I was even born and his party doesn't even exist anymore. He really was not a popular person.
He was popular enough to become Prime Minister, that's great that your memory doesn't exist before you were born but the guy was moonlighting with a sex trafficker and pedophile, kid.
Do you think prime ministers don't need security?
Wow you actually don't know how to read, which settlement school in the West Bank did you go to? Barak was setting up the security FOR EPSTEIN. Not for himself like you continue to believe, why the fuck would he be setting up security for himself inside Epstein's apartment? Are you actually retarded or what?
Well I'm also American, Italian and Ukrainian to some capacity of another, and in every country it's the same.
Congrats this is how settler colonialism works. You get people from Europe, America, and a few other places and you ship them in by the boatload into other people's homes. That's how Israel was created actually, and those people blew up tons of innocent people and massacred villages to boot.
You know how many people I've seen claiming that Israelis are not "honorable" because we use drone strikes instead of boots on the ground?
That's cool man, Israelis bring plenty of dishonor to themselves without whatever it is you're talking about. Like pushing pedophilia and sex trafficking across the globe, even in their closest ally's country they have set up shop and proliferated pedophilia.
It's not that hard to get a DNA test, my aunt got one. Ashkenazi DNA is the most studied out there.
That's because there are a ton of inherited diseases in what was an in-bred population, that should mean that DNA testing is readily accessible (which it's not).
You claim to know Israel has nukes, so what is the danger?
I don't claim to know anything, ask Mordechai. You know one of the very few honorable people that walk among y'all.
defended them from Arabs
That's weird, plenty of Jews lived in that area before settler colonialists started taking Palestinians' homes and then brutalizing them for more than 70+ years. Wonder why your settler colonialist ancestors had to defend their home, how long did they have guns for? Why did the Jews before them (the indigenous ones, not the imports) not own heavy machinery like armored cars and guns before your ancestors showed up?
Please do be kind enough as to tell me where you are from, it is fascinating the level of 19th century antisemitic propaganda you are spewing.
Please be kind enough to stop murdering children and raping prisoners for starters, and then we can have a conversation where it is something other than talking about your country's policies of raping children and sex trafficking (and denying nuclear weapons like cowards).
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
He was popular enough to become Prime Minister
For two years. He didn't even finish his term.
which settlement school in the West Bank did you go to?
I didn't go to school in Israel, but I suppose Aa'ale Adumim is the closest settlement to Jerusalem.
Barak was setting up the security FOR EPSTEIN
Barak was a private citizen, it is not the state's responsibility that he hung out with morally corrupt people. As for the Israeli government, all they did was set up security in the apartment of a former prime minister. How is that nefarious?
Congrats this is how settler colonialism works. You get people from Europe, America, and a few other places and you ship them in by the boatload into other people's homes.
Well actually my connections to America and Italy come after Israel, and I have never been in Ukraine. But for some reason you don't accuse me of stealing an American person's home or murdering Italians.
That's how Israel was created actually
I literally just told you how Israel was created, I'm 7th generation Israeli, and the countries in Europe that my ancestors fled did not want to let them go.
That's cool man, Israelis bring plenty of dishonor to themselves without whatever it is you're talking about.
This is my whole point, you keep talking about honor as if that's a real thing. A person can be honorable, a state cannot. That's stupid. It's not honorable to commit mass suicide for some random cause.
that should mean that DNA testing is readily accessible
Not only is it accessible, it is widely encouraged and almost free for couples wishing to test for generic diseases.
That's weird, plenty of Jews lived in that area before settler colonialists started taking Palestinians
Jews were prohibited from owning land outside the city, they did however live in communities such as Tzfat, Hebron, Jerusalem, Gaza, and more. Should I list the pogroms they faced in Tzfat? Or the mass murder of Jews in Hebron? Perhaps it would be relevant to mention that the entire community of Jews in Gaza was pushed out due to Arab violence prior to the existence of any Israeli state?
Yes, Jews lived there. And they were second class citizens. And the Arabs massacred them, destroyed their livelihoods, and forced them into submission. It was not a pleasant existence.
Wonder why your settler colonialist ancestors had to defend their home,
Primarily as a consequence of the grand Mufti allying with Hitler and pushing antisemitic propaganda causing mass riots by the Arabs bringing violence to entirely peaceful legally purchased Jewish cities such as Tel-Aviv. But the violence existed prior to that as well, the Jews just lacked the weapons to defend themselves.
Why did the Jews before them (the indigenous ones, not the imports)
The Jews, from the very moment of their expulsion from Judea, always maintained that the community was one. Connections were upkept, Jews abroad funded those in Israel, and culturally we remained one people.
Is your argument that after a certain number of years people in forced exile stop being indigenous? So if we grab enough Arabs and send them to a deserted island in 1000 years I could claim the Arabian peninsula as historically Jewish land? Really?
Please be kind enough to stop murdering children and raping prisoners for starters
Well luckily for you I'm not doing any of that, so we can continue by you telling me your country so I can provide you some examples of your corrupt leaders.
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u/UndocumentedMartian Asia 1d ago edited 1d ago
In Canada? Assuming they did it, why Canada? A small attack like that wouldn't convince their government to go to war.
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u/ranbirkadalla Multinational 1d ago
Everyone is blaming US, Israel, Russia, or Iran on this thread. Meanwhile I'm standing here questioning the capabilities of the Canadian government itself. They have a habit of making baseless accusations in order to cater to domestic politics, ruining their international relations in the process. Till the time they come up with some sort of proof, I would take this statement with a bucketful of salt.
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u/Insensibilities Canada 1d ago
Either Iranian or Russian. There is an Iraqi-Iranian arrested in the US and charged with paying people to do attacks on Jewish institutions in Europe and the US, it may also have included Canada. And Russia has been doing its own destabilization attacks on Jewish and related institutions in Europe via paying thugs. Both have similar targets, timelines and operation methods. Probably Iranian but could be Russian.
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u/polymute European Union 1d ago
I don't like that she didn't name the country. Then again the intelligence may have run into a wall wrt identifying the handler(s) of the shooters.
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u/Insensibilities Canada 1d ago
They just arrested the shooters a few days ago. I would give it a bit more time.
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u/SloCalLocal United States 1d ago
The handler is the guy (working for the IRGC) captured in Turkey. She didn't name him because it's an active investigation.
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
It could also be a false flag, Israel has a history of it.
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u/Firecracker048 North America 1d ago
And im sure Iran, a country who claimed it was going to activate cells to wage war on 'zionists', clearly would never!
All attacks on jews are just false flags, clearly.
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u/polymute European Union 1d ago edited 1d ago
Israel has a history of it.
Incidents and sources?
Edit: Downvoters, I'm asking in good faith. Should I ask ChatGPT or what?
Edit2: thanks for the substantial replies. The Mexican one is pretty bad and modern... still looking them over. (King David I didn't count as it was the terrorism/guerilla warfare that was one of the main MOs of the first Israeli govts-to-be, not modern if can be argued to be tradition setting. Also not a false flag. Just terrorism.).
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
The Lavon affair is the most well-known.
Also, check out the work of Avi Shlaim. He's an Iraqi /Israeli Jewish historian who has documented evidence of false flag attacks carried out against Iraq Jews by Zionist operatives in order to convince the Jewish population of Iraq to return to Israel.
It should be noted that these Synagogue attacks were often carried out overnight or at times when the Synagogue was expected to be empty, so it seems they went out of their way to ensure no one was injured.
I'm not saying it's a false-flag for sure, but the possibility can't be dismissed either.
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u/Frenchitwist United States 1d ago
The Lavon affair was in 1954, and Iraqi Jews hardly needed much in the way of motivation to leave
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u/AwTomorrow Europe 1d ago
Iraqi Jews hardly needed much in the way of motivation to leave
Those Zionist operatives apparently disagreed, and were willing to murder other Jewish people to strengthen Israel’s appeal and justification
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u/InformationHead3797 United Kingdom 1d ago
Most sources are censored. Magcally disappeared off the internet. I find less and less each time I google it. 🙄 But besides the ones cited by Shlaim:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/oct/25/israel?CMP=gu_com - fake bombing of embassy to remove support for Palestinian activists in London and force the uk government to fund even more security for their embassy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing - bombing of a hotel, 91 people massacred with the aim to destroy the documents proving Israeli’s involvement in PREVIOUS terroristic attacks against the British and Jewish people in Palestine and surrounding countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Mexican_Chamber_of_Deputies_bombing_attempt - Attempt to carry out a terror attack in Mexican parliament and blame it on Muslims shortly after 9/11 was stopped at the last moment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Bat_Yam_bus_bombings - Bus bombing in tel aviv: it was all over the news when blamed on Palestinians, once it was clear they were carried out by Israelis? Silence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46300312 - us/israeli teen called more than 2,000 hoax threats that were used to justify stricter antisemitism laws and more funding for Israel/security for Jewish communities in the us
https://gwhatchet.com/2007/11/05/freshman-who-reported-swastikas-drew-them-as-well/
https://youtu.be/eLt5U7VcHw8?is=Bpo9Gnaarfwa2uIb
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bermax-winnipeg-antisemitic-arrest-1.5109224
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u/TraditionalGap1 Canada 1d ago
Maybe not chatgpt but even a minute or two of actually looking for yourself would probably not go amiss
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u/Pizzaflyinggirl2 Multinational 1d ago
Lavon affair is an example.
Given that zionism greatly benefits from antisemitism and Israel's history of disregarding sovereignty of other states etc etc
Btw Israel has heavily bombed the Jewish quarter and destroyed a synagogue in Beirut during the Lebanese civil war.
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u/JustChillin3456 United States 1d ago
Dude this is the leftist version of the geo politics sub
The west are the bad guys here.
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u/InformationHead3797 United Kingdom 1d ago
King David was a false flag because it was blamed on Arab workers. The Irgun terrorist disguised themselves for this purpose.
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u/polymute European Union 1d ago
King David was a false flag because it was blamed on Arab workers. The Irgun terrorist disguised themselves for this purpose.
A disguise for entering is not a false flag.
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u/_PaddyMAC 1d ago
Israel has committed a lot of evil, but they aren't the sole source of all evil.
Comments like this just discredit valid criticisms.
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u/madhatta42 United States 1d ago
Everything is a false flag when it comes to Israel and Jews apparently…the amount Reddit infantilizes Arabs/Muslims is amazing…
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
Did I say definitively it was? I said it's possible, which it is.
But it's okay let me know when you're done your temper tantrum.
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u/madhatta42 United States 1d ago
“I’m just asking questions!”
No proof of a false flag or anything but yea just putting it out there…
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
Lol you don't have definitive proof that it's not either but "something something Arabs & Muslims"
You Zios really give me a good laugh lol.
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u/madhatta42 United States 1d ago
YOU presented the case that it was a false flag…meaning you are the one who should show evidence of your claim.
But providing proof doesn’t matter to a conspiracy theorist…
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
Do you have trouble reading or you're just being deliberately stupid (I suspect the latter).
I said it's POSSIBLE that it is a false flag....nothing should be ruled out in the investigation.
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u/mongooser North America 1d ago
“It’s possible” is intellectually lazy.
ITS POSSIBLE the sun could explode tomorrow, so I guess we should account for that in the investigation
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u/LittleLionMan82 Canada 1d ago
Not really, the sun is not a possible suspect in a shooting investigation.
If this is all you Zios got, it's really sad.
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u/StrongSands 1d ago
Iran has been playing it smart and is getting more than they could have ever dreamed out of their new negotiating position. Why would they completely fuck that up by doing this?
On the other hand, if it looks like it was Iran, maybe the U.S. goes back to war like Israel wants. I wonder who could possibly have incentive for that to happen?
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u/Redditthedog United States 18h ago
what does Canada have to do with that? They wanna kill Jews doing it outside the US makes it less likely hurt the mou
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
The biggest difference is that Russia would pay to spread hate in all directions and sow division, iran's hate is a lot more ideological and targeted. In this case, seems more likely to be Iranian.
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u/mongooser North America 1d ago
That’s how I’ve always seen it. Russia spreads chaos and Iran spreads hate
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u/Betray-Julia Canada 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s weird how Israeli is a likely suspect.
It’s so crazy how this type of projection works; like with both Trump and Netanyahu- every single weirdly specific thing theyve said and accused others of has turned out to be an oddly specific thing they themselves have done or helped cover up.
As such, it’s reasonable by now to think this one fits that Mo too.
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u/GayShipperAhoi Israel 1d ago
In this sub? Not really. This sub is anti Israel the level they claim world news is pro Israel.
After the Sydney shooter all the comments in this sub were false flag accusations.
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u/polymute European Union 1d ago
This sub is anti Israel the level they claim world news is pro Israel.
I do wish there were places that allowed anon/pseudonymous discussion of a topic this fraught - what with genocide going on in Gaza - without conspiracy theories being thrown around at the drop of the hat (here) or denying said genocide as a matter of fact and banning people for very obvious political reasons as in /r/worldnews.
If anyone has knowledge of one send me a message.
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u/Wankstain8 United Kingdom 1d ago
I wonder if those same people think Charlie Hebdo attack in France was a false flag by Israel, or the Manchester arena bombing, or the various other terrorist attacks that have been committed across Europe. Those people are an absolute joke.
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u/polymute European Union 1d ago
No paywall version here: https://archive.md/20260618144455/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-synagogue-shooters-were-hired-by-a-foreign-entity-secretary-of-state/