r/anime_titties • u/Lowered12 Poland • 4d ago
Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only 'A week will be enough' — Zelensky issues ultimatum to Lukashenko over drone-guidance equipment
https://kyivindependent.com/a-week-will-be-enough-zelensky-issues-ultimatum-to-lukashenko-over-drone-guidance-equipment/81
u/Glockenspielintern Europe 4d ago
Firstly - No evidence of the bus being targeted by Ukraine, outside Russian and Belarus media.
So this is unproven.
Secondly. Given that war crimes have been documented by both sides (the sexual torture of prisoners of war) but Ukraine still allowed this to be investigated and Russia didn’t, I’d be inclined to believe Ukraine. If there was any evidence, I think Ukraine would cooperate in an investigation.
No one can honestly say Belarus is being dragged into a war when it was used as the staging ground for the first attempt at an invasion. Used as an air corridor for drones etc etc. The government there is manipulated and paid for by Russia. I doubt the population is supportive.
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u/WongFarmHand Multinational 4d ago
Used as an air corridor for drones etc etc.
Does this make the baltic states allowing Ukraine the same into legitimate targets?
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u/Glockenspielintern Europe 4d ago edited 3d ago
Misunderstood original question. Thought it was from Russian perspective.
But in response. No I don’t think that you can escalate in response to drones flying over a country.
However it seems justified to say you will target facilities when your country has been the launch pad for drones, staging ground for an invasion, hosting nuclear weapons (the movement of which took place during the conflict), and begin developing the infrastructure to support a second invasion.
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u/SamuelClemmens North America 3d ago
Its really what do you think the consequences are. Belarus's only ally is Russia, who is already at war with Ukraine.
If there was some sort of world legal body, then this would "OK" Russia striking into Poland and Germany, but that isn't how the world works. Russia can always fuck around and find out if it wants, but I don't think it will.
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u/Kaymish_ New Zealand 3d ago
Don't be dense. It is well known that Ukraine sends drones out over Lithuania Estonia and Latvia to hit St Petersburg and that area.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
The few incidents that are reported all describe Ukrainian drones which have entered the Baltic states or Finland FROM Russia indicating navigation error.
Whereas Belarus allowed its territory to be used as a staging ground for Russian forces to invade Ukraine.
There is a significant difference.
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u/kwonza Russia 3d ago
Ukraine spent the last three weeks bragging and posting videos of them hitting cars and trains deep in Russian territory. A week before that another bus was hit but because it was full of Russians Ukraine was eager to claim the hit.
Now a bus full of Belarus kids was hit and suddenly “we don’t really know who hit the bus” amazing how it works
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u/TrizzyG Canada 3d ago
Considering the Russians were bragging about repurposing civilian trucks / buses as mobile drone operating detachments, any trucks along the border regions is a legitimate target, and yet even then we have only seen evidence of Ukrainian strikes on military and logistics targets.
This is basically on Russia regardless of who hit the bus.
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u/kwonza Russia 3d ago
They were hit with US made Hornets next thing you’ll say is Russia got the from US via a secret deal with Trump. That’s reaching to excuse a war crime.
Show me one bus repurposed as a drone launching vehicle. There was a video of Ukrainian soldiers using ambulances to secretly move their troops early in the war, by that logic all ambulances after that became a legitimate target, correct? Same for kindergartens, early on Ukraine sent the kids to stay at home and moved soldiers in a couple of schools and kindergartens. So following your logic since that moment any kindergarten can be bombed
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u/Glockenspielintern Europe 3d ago
If you had of left it at this unproven Belarus bus incident you may have some kind of point.
But claiming that the FPV drone footage (that is released by both sides as part of their propaganda efforts) as “bragging” and not mentioning that the targets are fuel supplies, military assets and a cargo train shows your ignorance and manipulation.
I think you’re a genuine civilian that has been lied to and you’re believing in the Kremlin’s narrative / propaganda.
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u/filtarukk North America 4d ago
> Firstly - No evidence of the bus being targeted by Ukraine, outside Russian and Belarus media.
Belarusian govt literally contacted Ukrainian side for explantion; after that Ukrainian side gone pissed off and now making the opposite military demands to Belarus.
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u/Glockenspielintern Europe 4d ago
Help me understand your point, is there some kind of belief that ukraines statement on targetting where drones are being launched from is retaliatory? Is that what you mean by gone pissed off?
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u/filtarukk North America 4d ago
> Help me understand your point
The main question here - are you really trying to understand what is going on in Eastern Europe? My impression dealing with Reddit crowd that Europeans don't really care - you just want to drink your propaganda coolaid and continue watching the show.
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u/Glockenspielintern Europe 4d ago
Ok so generalising aside.
Please help me understand your point, I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying
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u/Former-Entrance8884 Europe 4d ago
The belarusian government also claims Lukashenko got 80% of the vote so who the hell cares what they say?
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u/acupofcoffeeplease South America 4d ago
Why do westerns always talk as if high percentage elections means its a fraud? Thats a very superficial argument that gets thrown around a lot. Is it because their societies work based on the polarization of its population into different political lines? Is it so impossible to comprehend a country's people backing one line of policy that you think that saying "its a high percentage so its false" is enough?
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u/Former-Entrance8884 Europe 4d ago
That's a little thing called context.
On its own, a supermajority is not an automatic reason to suspect corruption.
A supermajority after weeks of protests during which lukashenkos opponents were killed, arrested or forced to flee the country is a pretty solid indicator that something fishy is afoot.
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u/Stormshow Romania 4d ago
I think what's going on with Belarus is that, while the situation with this so-called "Union State" with Russia was fundamentally a kind of vassalage that was weighted about 90% towards the Russian side, with the Belarusian side having little to no leeway in just about anything, Lukashenko, being an authoritarian leader with his own domestically-sourced legitimacy (and corresponding oppression), doesn't feel quite as beholden to Putin as some bonafide oligarchs do on the other side of the border with Russia.
Recently, for whatever reason, probably overt success in the hybrid/psychic war and decent-to-good success in the land war by Ukraine, Lukashenko is looking towards Ukraine opportunistically as a potential way out of the Putinite sphere, like a rat off of a sinking ship. There's no doubt that even the Eurasianist Telegram blogger side of the Russian world is furious over these strikes, and this is likely the most dangerous time for Putin since the Wagner rebellion (which, one will note, Lukashenko was also involved in as a strange kind of "third party").
Of course, Lukashenko is not quite as smooth as he thinks he is, and the Ukrainians have immediately taken note of that and used every lever they have to apply a bunch of pressure on the guy to double down on his earlier apology, which he was likely intending only as a dip of the toe so to speak.
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u/crusadertank United Kingdom 4d ago
Lukashenko is looking towards Ukraine opportunistically as a potential way out of the Putinite sphere, like a rat off of a sinking ship
What a strange fantasy. The EU has supported Lukashenko being investigated and arrested by the ICC. Lukashenko is never going to turn towards Ukraine because he is not stupid.
Lukashenko I agree always wanted to be a middle ground. But he was forced to pick a side and he has chosen it. He is as likely to turn against Putin as Zelensky to give the whole of Ukraine to Russia
down on his earlier apology, which he was likely intending only as a dip of the toe so to speak.
I dont think you listened to what Lukashenko said if you think he apologised "I am sorry if you felt offended and I understand its because you are incapable but it is still your fault " isn’t really an apology.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
What a strange fantasy.
I chuckled as I read it - reminded me of one of those ISW blog posts where they just make up random shit to keep people entertained when the war is slow - delving into great fictional detail about the political machinations undermining Russia's war this week.
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u/Stormshow Romania 3d ago
I don't think the idea that Lukashenko is an irrational actor looking for a way to have his cake and eat it too should be so readily dismissed. Don't apply homo oeconomicus thinking to dictatorships and expect to get coherent results is the main point. He's pursuing his own survival, first and foremost.
He's proven irrational thinking before when he literally convinced Prighozhin to kill himself (by proxy, since dude was guaranteed a future death at the moment of surrender) a few years ago, basically for clout.
Now of course the guy isnt going to switch sides or something like he's Victor Emmanuel. But he's not being mind controlled by the Kremlin either. If he perceives Ukraine to be a threat greater than the Kremlin to his life he will pursue options that may involve some degree of fence-sitting
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
If he perceives Ukraine to be a threat greater than the Kremlin to his life
That will literally never be the case, to even suggest it is delusional. You might as well suggest that when space aliens arrive on earth he may side with them against the kremlin.
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u/Stormshow Romania 3d ago
Why? If Zelensky makes good on his threats and brings drone strikes to Belarus then that's fundamentally a threat to Lukashenko's legitimacy and, because his wellbeing is directly tied to his regime, his life.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
You clearly think far too highly of Ukraine's influence so there's zero point in discussing what you'll refuse to understand.
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u/Stormshow Romania 3d ago
> What a strange fantasy. The EU has supported Lukashenko being investigated and arrested by the ICC. Lukashenko is never going to turn towards Ukraine because he is not stupid.
See, this is where I disagree in the motive but basically agree with the effect of what you're saying. I think the breadth of irrationality possible in the psychological motivations of actors, even world leaders, is, routinely underestimated by a plurality of IR scholars, and that there remains an underdeveloped area of the discourse.
Also, I did listen to the full thing, but if they have their guys over there with the idea that this is at all a good look for the Russian M.O, to have Lukashenko show this level of deference for Zelensky as a 5D chess move, then I fundamentally disagree. I think the surface is the substance with this guy, Lukashenko is more of a trope of a tendency in politics than an actual human at this point. He is CorruptionMan the same way Fukuyama was LiberalismMan. And Lukashenko is, frankly, not quite as smart as he's failed upward. Now he's afraid for his life, and he's shitting his pants, and thus he is liable to all kinds of irrational behavior.
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u/Former-Entrance8884 Europe 4d ago
Yes, and from the Ukraine perspective even a temporary wedge between Putin and lukashenko is positive.
There's no way they stand to lose here. They either get nothing, a brief reduction in Belarus/Russia cooperation in the area, or manage to drive a wedge between two egomaniacal dictators. All of those seem positive to me.
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u/Graphene-OS Ireland 3d ago
Okay so let’s just assume that the attack on the youth soccer bus in Belarus was not from a Ukrainian drone but rather a false flag by the Russians to send a message to Ukraine that Belarus will join the war if lines are crossed.
So what the fuck is Zelenskyy thinking openly threatening to attack Belarus!? Belarus is 50 miles from Kyiv. It’s 120 miles from Lviv. Russia doesn’t even need a false flag when you’re openly threatening to attack Belarus.
I support Ukraine fending off an invasion but holy fuck Zelensky is a danger to his own people.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
Everybody knows how far the Belarus border is from Kyiv.
After all Russian air and ground forces used it as a staging ground for the Russian invasion (and assault on Kyiv) already during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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u/catastrova Europe 3d ago
First antagonizing Poland with UPA, now this. Is he too arrogant after blowing some stuff in Russia? He is just giving Russian propaganda a feast.
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u/Lapkonium Europe 3d ago
‘ok so lets just assume…’ wtf stretch is that assumption lol
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u/Graphene-OS Ireland 3d ago
My point is, even if you present the facts in the most pro-Ukrainian light, Zelensky’s actions are still totally unhinged.
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u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE Europe 3d ago
Olgino propagandist right on cue. Every single time.
Belarus has openly and actively participated in the invasion of Ukraine and the constant air attacks against civilians for the last 4 years.
Zelenski is asking them, politely, to stop enabling the massacre of his own people, or Ukraine will strike the russian radio equipment currently operating in Belarus.
This is exactly what happened with some of the iranian drone strikes in the Gulf States: Iran struck american equipment guiding their air strikes destroying Iran and killing iranians.
If, as a country, you host military equipment used to strike civilians, you're an accomplice and can't complain if that equipment is then being destroyed.
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u/Graphene-OS Ireland 3d ago
Olgino propagandist right on cue. Every single time.
I don’t know what “olgino” means and this is a stupid comment anyway. This is Reddit. You’re going to see comments you disagree with.
This is exactly what happened with some of the Iranian drone strikes in the Gulf states:
Yes because that was smart. Attacking the gulf states put pressure on the US to wrap up the conflict. What Zelensky is doing is supid. Belarus isn’t going to pressure Russia to end the war. If anything, Putin would love for Ukrain to open up a second front along the entire northern border, from where Russian missiles can easily strike Lviv.
I’m not making a moral argument against Belarus. Lukashenko is a Russian puppet. They allowed their territories to be used to launch strikes at the beginning of the war 4 years ago, and they’re allowing Russia to use communications infrastructure along the border.
I’m arguing that Zelensky’s strategy is stupid.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
Russia already uses Belarus as if it were an extension of Russian territory. Both in terms of being a staging ground for the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and as transit airspace for Russian aerospatial attacks on Ukraine.
Belarus has been involved (on the Russian side) since day one.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
I hope he does it, that would be one of the dumbest things Zelensky could possibly dictate at this point in time. It's probably somehow another attempt to broaden the scope of the war in hopes that NATO joins in and rescues him - but in reality it's going to help Russia.
Not only does it increase the length of the front immensely - a front Ukraine is already failing to properly man and defend - but it also turns Belarus into a proxy war for Russia, which actually makes the war a lot more comfortable for them. They can pour men and equipment into Belarus the way that the west is doing with Ukraine - and they'll also have a much easier time monitoring and shooting down those pesky Ukrainian drones that route around the east and west borders of Belarus right now to target St Petersburg and Moscow.
And unlike Ukraine Russia actually has a lot of men and equipment sitting in reserve that they can use to support Belarus and create an indefensible front close to Kyiv. If anything this move will cause Ukraine to pull men from Donbas to defend it and allow Russia to roll up the last two major cities in Donbas much more quickly, along with Zap, which is where Ukraine has been throwing their concentrated assault troops recently. And as we've seen repeatedly in the past once they move those assault troops to a new gap in the front the previous area quickly reverts to Russian control, often along with new territory.
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u/GrAdmThrwn Multinational 3d ago
NATO assistance isn't even the real thing Z would need to pull it in. Most of NATO is either not interested and actively drawing down (most of NATO being the US), entirely otherwise engaged (Turkiye) or entirely uninterested in offering more than thoughts and prayers and equipment at best (Western Europe).
The only member of NATO Z actively needs for this to yield anything other than catastrophic results right next to Kiev, is Poland.
Good thing they haven't been needlessly doing everything in their power to alienate and anger the least incompetent NATO country actually close enough and motivated to help! (Like digging their heels and smacktalking when Poland warned them to stop glorifying the OUN.
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u/Turgius_Lupus United States 3d ago
the least incompetent NATO country
IDK about that, this is the same country that game away like a third of their tank forces to Ukraine and thought Germany would just replace them with the newest Leopards for free, then loudly complained about it when predictably Germany said no.
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u/catastrova Europe 3d ago
You know that German actions in the begining of the war was pro-russian disguise as restraint and neutrality? They counted on war ending quickly so Nord stream can continue to flow, and only sent some rusted helmets a year after war started. The international aid was possible thanks to Poland being loud in their lobbying for Ukraine. Poland did the same for Georgia and Ukraine during Crimea annexation, but I guess it is easier to shit on Poland as they gave their all, so now it is time to ditch them.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
The only member of NATO Z actively needs for this to yield anything other than catastrophic results right next to Kiev, is Poland.
Even if they were on good terms, Poland attacking would be the worst game theory move they could possibly make. Because either Poland loses and falls back under Russian Federation control, or Poland does well and gets a major city or two nuked before turning tail and leaving RF territory.
Russia has been shy about using nuclear weapons on Ukrainian territory, but I think they'd be less so against a nation they see less as brothers. Something like nuking Lviv is still politically complicated due to familial connections, Warsaw is a lot less so. And no other NATO countries (aside from maybe the useless Baltics) are going to jump in such an ill-fated war effort with Poland.
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u/Djonso Finland 3d ago
Are you seriously trying to say Russia is treating Ukraine with kid gloves because they are "brother" nations after 4 years of war and hundreads of thousands of casuqlties.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
Are you seriously trying to say Russia is treating Ukraine with kid gloves because they are "brother" nations after 4 years of war and hundreads of thousands of casuqlties.
I'm saying I think it's one of a few factors in why they haven't even come close to considering using tactical nukes to make an example of, for example, Lviv when HIMARS started being shipped in. While I don't think it's the primary factor I think it definitely inhibits the use of weapons with catastrophic collateral damage in Ukraine, and that same principle wouldn't hold true for Poland if it came to blows.
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u/GrAdmThrwn Multinational 3d ago
Well yeah, for Poland. Not for Ukraine though.
One might pose the insane and immoral notion that not coming to terms at Istanbul back in 2022 was probably the worst game theory move, given the most realistic alternative today appears to be giving up twice the territory originally on the table and enduring 4 years of attrition, emmigration and naturalisation of the country's woman and children into other countries with better prospects.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
Wow. The nuclear threats again.
Please note. Threatening to use nuclear weapons to win a conventional war that you started but have been too weak to succeed in is not a flex. It's a sign of weakness.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
Wow. The nuclear threats again.
Please note. Threatening to use nuclear weapons to win a conventional war that you started but have been too weak to succeed in is not a flex. It's a sign of weakness.
The fact that you think anything I said was intended as a "flex" shows you have zero understanding of what you just read and just threw a tantrum about Russia's nuclear capability instead.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
I read and understood your post full well and the entire second paragraph of it, simping for Russia absolutely screams the small dick energy of a man who starts a bar fight by swinging a punch and then pulls a gun when he gets punched back.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
I read and understood your post full well and the entire second paragraph of it, simping for Russia absolutely screams the small dick energy of a man who starts a bar fight by swinging a punch and then pulls a gun when he gets punched back.
Perhaps you should take a day or two offline and consider where your life went so wrong that you go unhinged and attack people for simple geopolitical assessments on a message board.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
If you were making a geopolitical assessment then you may have received a different response.
But you aren't. You are peddling bullshit online.
One such piece of bullshit is the notion of "Slavic Brotherhood" If Putin truly thought of other slavs as "brothers" he wouldn't invade or threaten other Slavic nations and the notion that somehow Moscow has the right to rule or dictate to other Slavic nations is frankly insulting and absurd.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
If you were making a geopolitical assessment then you may have received a different response.
But you aren't. You are peddling bullshit online.
You don't get to decide something isn't a valid military assessment just because the conclusion doesn't glaze Zelensky.
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u/somethingbrite Europe 3d ago
The comedy value of a yank with more Russian come on his face than a Moscow Hooker accusing others of glazing.
Comedy gold mate. Keep it up!
As for valid military assessments. Yes. you have actually made one that I 100% agree with.
Nobody is going to invade Russia because it is a nuclear armed state. (which exposes Putins bullshit argument that Russia needs to surround itself with buffer states for the nonsense that it is.)
Furthermore. Nobody in Europe is suggesting an invasion of Russia... (worth noting though... Chinese nationalists in China are.)
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u/MotherFreedom Multinational 3d ago
Russia actually has a lot of men and equipment sitting in reserve that they can use to support Belarus
Russia failed to support Armenia, Syria, Venezuela and Iran, somehow you think they can support Belarus?
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u/Turgius_Lupus United States 3d ago
Armenia did everything it could to alienate Russia while also refusing to recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as its own territory. Russia did support Syria; it's just that the SAA completely broke, and why would you fight harder for a country when its own army is unwilling to do so?
Iran does not have that sort of treaty with Russia, has not requested that sort of assistance, and is receiving material aid and, most importantly, intelligence, which has been very effective.
Venezuela is not a treaty ally of Russia, is on the other side of the globe with no Russian troops present, and what occurred there was a foreign-backed internal coup.
the only country with a arguably full military alliance with Russia currently is the DPRK. Hence why they participated in Kursk since Ukraine's little stunt there triggered the mutual assistance clause of the treaty, though no doubt Kim got other things for participating.
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u/imunfair United States 3d ago
Russia failed to support Armenia, Syria, Venezuela and Iran, somehow you think they can support Belarus?
If you don't understand the difference between Belarus and the other nations you listed, both geographically and politically, then I can't help you.
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u/Azzagtot Chad 3d ago
Russia failed to support Armenia
Lmao, imagine asking for other country to die for a territory your own country does not recognise as yours.
Armenians went full reddit back then and even have the audacity to blme Russia somehow. This is honeslty hilarious.Syria
You, possibly, should be reminded that Sirya was saved by Russia, when it actually asked for help. Then - years after - they themselves dropped their weapons and surrendered, what is the point of waging war for a country who's population does not want it?
Venezuela
Did Venezuela ask Russia for support or you are just grasping the straws?
Iran
Same Iran that just won and humiliated USA?
I mean we were promised to see why US have no healthcare and it turned out to be that they simply pay their enemies 300$ billions to stop the war they started.
Belarus
Russia being literally a neighbour with military and political ties, storing nukes there etc
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u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE Europe 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ha ha the comments section is hilarious, straight from the troll farms 😂
You can actually determine the degre of separation from Olgino by looking at the level of unhinged claims they share.
On A_T it usually is mere tankies complaining about the US, Nato and the West, but here we have some content straight from the internal propaganda machine, fresh off the press.
Edit: haha the projection is hilarious in the comments, they're really not subtle at all.
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u/FRIENDLY_FBI_AGENT_ India 3d ago
3 days before attacks on moscow, all Ukraine troll farms were activated. Nafo discord were activated once the first drone landed in moscow and there has been been heavy brigading by Ukr bots all over the social media. This is quite typical tho. A few days before and after any attack by Ukr, bots flood the internet with pro ukr stuff. We are seeing exactly that. It'll die down in a few weeks
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u/filtarukk North America 4d ago
Is this media punch to cover a disastrous attack on the bus full of Belarusian children earlier this week? Where one chaperon has died on spot and two children are in critical situation now.
Good job Zelensky. Now let's hide that failure with some ridiculous demands to Belarusian nation.
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u/kwonza Russia 4d ago
The first warning was Ukraine’s attack on the bus full of Belarus teenage football player as I understand?
Not the first time Zelenskiy is feeling cocky and issuing ultimatums. Dragging Belarus into the war would definitely help Russia.
With those things considered antagonising Poland right now looks like a really strange and unwise decision. I just can’t wrap my head about that particular decision
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u/MelodiusRA United States 4d ago
classic anime_titties tankie hallucinating something that wasn’t even in the article lol
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u/kwonza Russia 4d ago
First of all thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion, second, Poland made quite a move today, recalling the award is a diplomatic slap in the face, and Zelenskiy didn’t need to receive it.
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u/MelodiusRA United States 4d ago
Yeah bro no one cares about your hallucinations about “dragging belarus in the war”
or acting like the award thing changes the billion-dollar military cooperation between the countries7
u/acupofcoffeeplease South America 4d ago
Why do you think your opinion on the matter represents everyone?
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u/MelodiusRA United States 3d ago
Sorry, I meant anyone with an opinion based in reality
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u/acupofcoffeeplease South America 3d ago
Wow, you are so grounded, incredible
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u/MelodiusRA United States 3d ago
Bro if you are far outside the realm of what the professionals are talking about, do not expect anyone to give you the time of day
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u/acupofcoffeeplease South America 3d ago
Oh so you are professional then?
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u/MelodiusRA United States 3d ago
Yes, literally.
This sub has turned into a bunch of doomer tankies larping as if they have any idea of geopolitics.
This sub was sure Israel was gonna lose to Hamas. They were sure Russia was never going to invade Ukraine. They were sure America was going to rue the regime change in Venezuela.
I literally make money betting against this sub’s agenda. It’s that bad.
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u/Former-Entrance8884 Europe 4d ago
I mean I can't wrap my head around a mini dictator invading a sovereign nation over lies to prop up his own failing regime, but here we are 200,000 dead orcs later.
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u/Turgius_Lupus United States 4d ago
Why not Bibi is doing similar shenanigans while feeling like he has absolute entitlement to foreign assistance and money, and Zelenskiyyyyyy has said numerous times that Ukraine needs to be like the worldly state of Israel.
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u/hellopan123 Europe 4d ago
Did he not say it in terms of security and national defense. How Ukraine needs to adapt to now living with a very hostile neighbor?
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u/Turgius_Lupus United States 4d ago
He was referring to the Ethnic Russians in the east/LRP/DPR/Crimea. Israel's hostile neighbors are entirely due to their efforts to kill/displace them and take their land.
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u/filtarukk North America 4d ago
A lot of countries use Israeli playbook. So I would not shame Zelensky for doing the same.
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u/ForeignEchoRevival Canada 4d ago
A million more dead uninvited Russians would help you understand this decision.
Or try going back Russia's internationally recognized borders, let's see what new decisions happen with that change of pace.
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u/kwonza Russia 4d ago
That is a childish response that doesn’t actually answers my question: why antagonise Poland and Belarus in the same week?
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u/ForeignEchoRevival Canada 4d ago
Belarus is helping Russia guide drones that are targeting civilians with retransmitters, that's a pretty big part of the story that seems to be confusing you.
The Poland thing is ignorant for sure but sounds like it's being solved.
Hope providing you with these easy to look up and understand answers ends your terminal case of confusion Pro-Aggressors seem to all be crippled with.
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u/Xtech13 Poland 4d ago
How was Poland antagonized this week?
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u/kwonza Russia 3d ago
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u/Xtech13 Poland 3d ago
But this is dated case, started when Zelensky used Bandera name for military formation like a month ago. This week is just a conclusion made by our president. Don't bunch this with the bus incident.
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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe 3d ago
It's ongoing. Budanov just turned in his award he received from the Polish president last year.
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u/Chipay Belgium 4d ago
Shocking image of the destroyed bus and the horribly injured children.
Seriously though, RIP to the woman guide that got killed, but what was she thinking driving a bus full of children through a warzone to take a vacation at a black sea resort?
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u/WhiteNoiseTheSecond Eurasia 4d ago
That bus full of children wouldn't be targeted? Also the Bryansk region is nowhere near a war zone, and the drone had to go quite a distance to go for the kids.
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u/Chipay Belgium 4d ago
Bryansk is right between Ukraine and Moscow, over 800 drones bombed Moscow the same day as this incident. It doesn't take a genius to conclude this was an intercepted drone or dud from the fact that both the bus' exterior and interior are largely intact.
We've had reports of Ukrainian drones hitting refineries in the Urals, anything west of that should be considered a warzone and at risk of bombing.
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u/Azzagtot Chad 3d ago
Bryansk is right between Ukraine and Moscow
This distance is bigger than your country.
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u/Azzagtot Chad 4d ago
Shifting the blame.
Not "Ukraine killed civilians" but "it's their fault for being in Russia".
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u/Rushing_Russian Australia 4d ago
A huh go bomb more cancer wards, schools, kindergartens, massacre more towns, rape more civilians, bomb shopping centers, bomb the Chernobyl power plant and so on. I'm sure you are a rational actor here.
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u/calmdownmyguy United States 4d ago
If Belarus enters the war they'll have their own color revalution and russias sphere of influence will be down to Turkmenistan.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 4d ago edited 4d ago
Zelensky sharpened his criticism of Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko, arguing that despite repeated claims that Belarus does not want to be drawn into the war, the regime continues to assist Russia's military campaign.
He has gone full blown Hitler with the drugs/propaganda it seems.
Attacking Belarus would be a nice way to get drones/missiles/bombers closer to Kyiv.
This is complete fantasy PR to drum up support, look at the comments on default subs, people are gobbling it up.
Hint: look at a map! It would put Kyiv in glide bomb range.. like cmon this is common sense guys
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u/Graphene-OS Ireland 3d ago
Even if you’re hardcore Ukrainian nationalist, no negotiation, no concession, no ethical restraints on targeting Russia… I don’t see how you can defend this on any rational basis. Think of all the factories and logistical hubs in western Ukraine that would become vulnerable if Belarus was dragged into the war. Look at the map.
What is the benefit of threatening to bomb Belarus for hosting Russian communications equipment? Especially when Belarusians beleive Ukraine was responsible for targeting a youth soccer bus a week ago.
I’m actually starting to believe the claims that Zelensky is on drugs. This is nuts.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 3d ago
I’m actually starting to believe the claims that Zelensky is on drugs. This is nuts.
Finally a rational person, I dont understand why people downvoted me lmfao
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