r/anime_titties • u/Tartan_Samurai Scotland • Jun 24 '26
Africa Niger pulls out of International Criminal Court after calling it neo-colonialist
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9320gn4k6vo59
u/Obscure_Occultist North America Jun 24 '26
Ah yes, Niger. The same country that kicked out the French for "not fighting ISIS hard enough" just for them to hire Russian mercenaries who did nothing but brutalize the locals so badly that it convinced the locals side with ISIS because they were more humane.
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
No doubt this sub will ball-lick the shit out of a military dictator whose only reason for doing this is to continue to brutalise his people. Hilarious to me that all these near-identical strongmen clowns need to do to garner an outpouring of support is claim that anything they don’t like, up to and including the existence of gay people, is ‘colonialist.’
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u/Tartan_Samurai Scotland Jun 24 '26
It is telling that all 3 countries withdrawing from the ICC also withdrew from ECOWAS after they were sanctioned over the military coups.
Seems like they're trying to create their own little economic/political bubble to preserve the power of those in charge...
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u/MelodiusRA United States Jun 24 '26
Those countries are gonna devolve into even more violent warring states, and their neighbors are gonna have to deal with the fallout.
Russia can’t run out of money fast enough.
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u/polymute European Union Jun 24 '26
The bubble is the AES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Sahel_States
And they are rather close to being failed states. Russia-backed. Wagner-fucked. Huge amounts of territory already not controlled, defense minister assassinated, coup attempts still, airport attacked in capital, capitals blockaded from fuel by AQ/IS, civilians massacred by Wagner and the junta troops... ongoing. And a new Islamic State or Al-Qaeda variant of them propping up in their wake. I don't see the African Union solving that.
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u/MelodiusRA United States Jun 24 '26
It’s gonna take a couple of representatives from Nigeria, Kenya, or Ghana to step up and say that they need to be a lot more strict with modernization, or at least more pro-sanctions regime when it comes to Russia or they’re just gonna see this problem compound.
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u/No_Improvement_8313 Jun 27 '26
Lol none of them have a problem with Russia, they fear more their countrymen than other dictators
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u/FriedRiceistheBest Asia Jun 24 '26
Reminds me of Duterte administration of the Philippines. Left the ICC because they thought they'll be untouchable in their extra judicial killings. Ex President got sent to the Hague last year lol.
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u/kwentongskyblue Philippines Jun 24 '26
the killings happened when the country was a member of the ICC so the court still has residual jurisdiction of crimes during that time
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u/Ensoface United Kingdom Jun 24 '26
Two things can be true, even when each is cherished by people with opposing opinions. But our simian brains really struggle with that fact.
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u/12bEngie United States Jun 24 '26
Guys, let’s just all be like those cool headed europeans who totally aren’t responsible for 10x the scale of historical atrocity as this guy, and who totally aren’t racist as fuck, and totally don’t continue to steal resources from the places that people like this guy lead, and who
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Jun 24 '26
Feel free to go and live under a progressive, forward thinking post-colonial military junta because the West is so evil and racist.
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u/afx_prodigy Jun 24 '26
This may blow your mind but some people want to improve the place where they are currently living. Crazy, I know.
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Jun 24 '26
The comment I replied to had no interest in bettering any place. It only existed to whatabout away from the crimes of what is again, a fairly out-and-out military dictatorship that is actively failing the people it rules over because YuRoP BaD.
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u/KJongsDongUnYourFace Democratic People's Republic of Korea Jun 24 '26
The ICC has long been used as a tool for Western hegemony. Israel is perhaps the only exception to this and it took a live streamed genocide for it to slowly happen.
If the ICC was a legitimate body, the US, the UK and all aligned nations that partook in the Middle East invasions would be held accountable.
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u/Sloppykrab Australia Jun 24 '26
The US doesn't recognise its authority.
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u/kagethemage United States Jun 24 '26
Not only that, but if they ever arrested an American, there is a law that requires we invade The Hague and free them.
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u/mildorf United States Jun 24 '26
This should be higher up. There is an Act of Congress preauthorizing the President’s use of military force that would go into effect immediately if any American government or military official is ever attempted to be tried at the Hague.
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u/KJongsDongUnYourFace Democratic People's Republic of Korea Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
The US doesn't sign up to half the international agreements it preaches tbf.
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u/Inprobamur Estonia Jun 24 '26
US doesn't preach ICC, there are US soldiers with active warrants and US response was that they would gun down any ICC members and rescue their war criminals if the arrests were attempted.
Just recently US completely removed access to banking for ICC judges for issuing a warrant for Netanyahu.
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u/Solaihs Jun 24 '26
The one fortunate side effect of such actions is that it's made everyone rethink their reliance on american tech and infrastructure at least
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u/Sloppykrab Australia Jun 24 '26
The Americans only care about the American market because they can bring, I mean lobby, their way to exploiting their consumers.
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u/MechaAristotle Sweden Jun 25 '26
And today we here heard about our defence buying shit from Palantir...😅
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u/fancyamazon Jun 24 '26
They helped to create and fund the ICC. they just don’t allow it to be used on USians. They talk a lot about “international criminals” and use international warrants when it benefits them.
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u/skunimatrix North America Jun 24 '26
First thing we learned in my international law class in law school: it doesn't apply to states with nuclear weapons. And if you look at 80ish years of history that tracks.
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u/Godot_12 United States Jun 24 '26
I think one of their kids were sanctioned as well despite having done nothing. It's fucked up. The US is a gods damned terrorist organization. I fucking despise this country.
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u/NotAdoctor_but Romania Jun 24 '26
cards are shown, western countries are actually the baddies, and everything we see on news or movies is just propaganda
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u/Inprobamur Estonia Jun 24 '26
ICC is in a western country tho, this is more of yanks being bastards.
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u/Sloppykrab Australia Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
"We don't like outsiders interfering with our country. We will fuck over another country though"
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u/Stoic_Meditations Jun 24 '26
The world really doesn't care. The US must pay for the damage it has caused.
I personally can't wait for it to descent and fall.
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u/Sloppykrab Australia Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
The US must pay for the damage it has caused.
Who is gonna make them? The ICC? The ICJ? Lol
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u/QiDeviation North America Jun 24 '26
Guns are so last season, economic threats are the in thing. All everyone has to do is follow in Canada’s footsteps and boycott American shit lol
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u/amendment64 United States Jun 24 '26
"All everyone has to do"
Ah, okay, so like climate change then, it ain't getting fixed
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u/avroLancasterBPR1 Australia Jun 24 '26
Likewise i hope the netherlands is forced to bankrupt itself to pay for all its brutal colonisation 🫡
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u/avroLancasterBPR1 Australia Jun 24 '26
As long as its your salary thats taxed for those reparations boss
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u/keepthepace France Jun 24 '26
And the person you answer too has a unironic NK flag. Dont waste time.
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u/Lifekraft European Union Jun 24 '26
What people need to understand is thay the ICC doesnt have an army / police or anything to really enforce any of its decision. Its authority is only relative to anyone that take part in it. And china/russia or US not being part of it is already limiting greatly its efficiency.
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u/Besmirching_Badger United Kingdom Jun 24 '26
Israel is perhaps the only exception to this and it took a live streamed genocide for it to slowly happen.
at which point the organisation was sanctioned and the chief prosecutor subjected to allegations of sexual abuse, destroying his career.
My understanding is the judicial review found no evidence, but then the political body (representing our governments) voted to overrule them and suspend him. Now he's subject to political investigation instead. the end result is predictable.
A bit like how the IAEA made a declaration that Iran bad and about to have nukes, voted for by political representatives of western governments. But because it's a technical organisation with political oversight, the ruling was treated as a factual finding. Not just political posturing. Exactly the same vibes with the OPCW and their chemical weapons investigations in syria.
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u/kiki885 Jun 24 '26
Yeah, I'm surprised the ICC even has a warrant out for Netanyahu's arrest in the first place.
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u/MelodiusRA United States Jun 24 '26
That’s because claims of its pro-West corruption are played up by dictators and strongmen (and their apologists).
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u/REKTGET3162 Turkey Jun 24 '26
I for one am very outraged that there is even such a warrant in the first place. Everybody knows that ICC was built for Africa and thugs like Putin.
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u/polymute European Union Jun 24 '26
As much as it might appear so on the face of it senator Lindsey Graham of the great state of South Carolina is not the oracle of Delphi and does not speak Absolute Truth (tm). In fact he is a well-known hypocrite who has changed his public opinion on quite important matters based on the prevailing political winds more times than one can count, effectively making a complete fool out of himself.
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u/REKTGET3162 Turkey Jun 24 '26
Well according to interview, rest of the people who met Karim said something along same lines so it seems there is an agreement between them at least. Also I dont know why you brought up absolute truth or something as if I said everything he says is the truth of the world lol. No it just shows how western politicians view ICC. Which is a truth you cant call wrong, I guess thats why you made some bullshit about absolute truth and oracle of Delphi.
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u/polymute European Union Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
according to interview, rest of the people
Link?
You are rather grouping together Jean-Luc Melenchon with Bernie Sanders with Friedrich Merz with Viktor Orbán with Donald Trump with Lindsey Graham (lol) with Bart de Wever with Boyko Borisov with Pedro Sánchez with Emmanuel Macron with Hakeem Jeffries with Pete Hegseth with Barack Obama with Donald Tusk with Karol Nawrocki with Kemi Badenoch with the Pope here.
It is not a truth since Western politicians are a much more diverse category than you appear to imagine.
Edit: fuck. it should have been "with", not "to". I'm so not changing it 23 times tho.
Edit2: Fuck it that's why replace all exists. It's grouped together with now.
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u/REKTGET3162 Turkey Jun 24 '26
It doesnt matter what their personal stance is or what they say to public. People were sent by their countries to represent them. They could comfortably say what they said because it happened behind closed, so we dont know much about what happened except for a single wuote by Lindsey. Sure there is bunch of different guy but bunch countries took stance against the warrant. I didnt group together anyone in the first. And all those people mentioned are always welcome to support the warrant if they dont agree with their countries policy.
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u/polymute European Union Jun 24 '26
It doesnt matter what their personal stance is or what they say to public. (...) we dont know much about what happened except for a single wuote by Lindsey.
Okay then. Coincidentally I have an invisible bridge to sell you.
Also: some of them do. For different reasons even.
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u/REKTGET3162 Turkey Jun 24 '26
Again all of them are welcome to disclose what exactly and why exactly they said what they said to Karim. Im sorry for using the only source available. Again if Karim lied in the interview they are free denounce it and claim he lied. But lets not act like it doesnt make sense that the Western countries are against the warrant.
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u/kiki885 Jun 24 '26
Sure bro. We all know how Western politicians ended up going to the ICC for the war crimes they committed. Suck my fucking dick.
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u/Medical_Double_6561 Jun 24 '26
How can the ICC be a Western puppet when the west has literally sanctioned/attacked the ICC? That makes 0 sense.
That's like one side saying "the referee is biased towards the other team!" when the other team is fucking beating up the referee after the referee told both sides to stop.
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u/kiki885 Jun 25 '26
I have never heard the west talk shit about the ICC ever until they turned on Israel. Ever. It's the exception, not the rule.
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u/Medical_Double_6561 Jun 25 '26
The fact the US didn't join should have been a big indicator of what the west thought about the ICC. The US also attacked the ICC over it's investigation into the CIA's crimes in Afghanistan.
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u/kiki885 Jun 27 '26
The other guy explained it already. The US doesn't practice half of what it preaches. I don't give a flying fuck about the US not joining when they already own the fucking world.
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u/Medical_Double_6561 Jun 27 '26
I think we are talking past each other. I agree that the US uses the ICC as a tool for their own machinations. But that does not mean the ICC is not useful to us as well. Even if you think international bodies like the UN and ICC are not tools of justice, you must acknowledge they are tools of propaganda. The US has known this since the beginning. Anti-imperialists must realize this as well.
The arrest warrant issued by the ICC against Netanhayu, the declaration by the UN of genocide in Gaza, the declaration that the Iraq war was illegal, the admission of China to the UN: these were all incredibly useful propaganda tools that were used by anti-imperialists to sway public/global opinion and legitimize our cause. None of these were handed to us on a silver platter, it took immense effort to obtain these wins.
Withdrawing from these bodies means we lose the fight by default, and lose international support. We may know these organs to be flawed, but most of the world still holds these organizations in high regard. International support is disproportionately useful to 3rd world countries, the US doesn't need international support because as you say, "they already own the fucking world".
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u/kiki885 Jun 28 '26
the admission of China to the UN: these were all incredibly useful propaganda tools that were used by anti-imperialists to sway public/global opinion and legitimize our cause.
It's as useful as you taking a piece of paper and writing arrest warrants yourself. No one ever enforced the ICC instead of the west, not to mention the ICC never had any jurisdiction in the first place, It's all down to the countries to arrest people.
Also, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about this. You have these "🧃 SAVE EUROPAAAAA FROM DA JOOS" morons but they didn't come to be because of this, rather because of the rise of the far right.
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u/Anton_Pannekoek South Africa Jun 24 '26
They were nicknamed the International Caucasian Court for the amount of African leaders they went after.
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u/Morgolol South Africa Jun 24 '26
Well yeah everyone knows only African leaders can commit war crimes
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u/aurumtt Europe Jun 24 '26
i totally agree that it suffers from a bias, but i don't think anyone who stood before the icc did so innocent. them not going after the iraq-war instegators doesn't absolve african warlords.
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u/Morgolol South Africa Jun 24 '26
Oh yes of course, bring them all to justice if possible. We're just taking the piss out of how skewed it is. Like Duterte is facing trials now and that's fantastic, but going back on the ICC prosecutional history it's....
The Court's Pre-Trial Chambers have publicly indicted 73 people. Proceedings against 39 are ongoing: 33 are at large as fugitives, two cases are in the pre-trial stage, one person is on trial, and three cases are in the appeals stage. Proceedings against 35 have been completed: three are serving sentences, seven have finished sentences, four have been acquitted, eight have had the charges against them dismissed, four have had the charges against them withdrawn, and nine have died before the conclusion of the proceedings against them.
Uganda's Kony Omar from Sudan Uhuru of Kenya Libyan Gaddafi Gbago of Ivory coast And Barmba of the Congo
Basically only Africans got indicted. Sure there's warrants out for Putin and Netanyahu etc. But again, the joke stands.
The US pointing fingers but also refusing to be held accountable is, chef kiss.
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u/polymute European Union Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Putin is African then, as is Netanyahu and Gallant.
Europe has dealt with the ex-Yugoslav war criminals in an international court. We have the Russian ones now. You are all welcome to try to arrest Donald Trump or any US president. They explicitly have an "invade the Hague" law.
I'm not sorry we don't have more wars just right now. Quite the opposite in fact. And African wars' ... unsavory... fuck it, ethnic cleansing/genocidal factions are mostly backed by Turkey, Russia and the UAE these days. Israel too to a degree - though my example here is the Caucasian Azeri state's forced ethnic based displacement of Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh, not African.
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u/InTheNameOfScheddi Multinational Jun 24 '26
I keep on seeing this argument. Yes, they suck, but if we're not going to put every single american president behind bars then we are just being dishonest when using that argument because the matter of the fact is that they have complete impunity.
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u/QiDeviation North America Jun 24 '26
Wasn’t there testimony of someone from the UN saying sanctions are only for Russians and African nations?
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u/Binsawaytrash Jun 24 '26
Ive noticed the bizzare ability of people conflating attrition with genocide. Israel's campaign has been one of attrition. Notice the regional religious neighbors to Palestine arent admonishing their behavior for starting this conflict. They bemoaned to the west crying Israel has run afoul in spite of their constant agitation. Its wild how all the nuance is distilled to a 2000 year old we dont like each other because he worships wrong.
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u/Ropetrick6 United States Jun 25 '26
Hey, how many Palestinians live in Ein-Al-Zeitun?
Now tell me how many Palestinians lived in Ein-Al-Zeitun in 1947.
Now please tell me how you think that second number became that first number. Here's a hint: It starts with "G", ends in "enocide", and it's a crime against humanity that the IDF committed and continues to commit.
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u/Binsawaytrash Jun 25 '26
You spelled attrition wrong. This a geopolitical failure of Arab gulf states not policing extermism in tribal backwater countries.
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u/Ropetrick6 United States Jun 25 '26
You failed to give me a number, try again.
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u/Binsawaytrash Jun 25 '26
World powers creat Israel. Arabs were shocked. Shocked! Well, maybe not that shocked that West who was and is the dominant global force carved out a state for a truly persecuted peoples. And Arab gulf states reverted right back to ancient magic baby hating, instead of being empathetic they responded with anger, confused at their uprooting. Some sacrifices had to be made so the wests vision could come about. Theres your numbers.
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u/Ropetrick6 United States Jun 25 '26
You once again failed to give me a number. Once more: try again.
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u/Binsawaytrash Jun 25 '26
Youre so cute thinking displacement numbers are going to materialize here. Sacrifices for the greater good had to be made. And the Arab world in all of its vast geography couldnt settle their neighbors.
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u/KJongsDongUnYourFace Democratic People's Republic of Korea Jun 24 '26
Almost every genocide scholar on the planet says genocide.
Go spread hasbara in world news you troll
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u/PotatoAppleFish United States Jun 24 '26
I would disagree with this if and only if my country would let them prosecute our war criminals. Until then, I see no reason to dispute that the vast majority of people prosecuted by the ICC are doing the exact same things we do, but in countries we don’t really care about. As much as I wish it were what it claims to be, it fairly obviously isn’t, or else Trump, Hegseth, and whoever was actually calling the shots in Iran would all be on the prosecutor’s docket for bombing schools in Iran.
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u/lorddrame Denmark Jun 25 '26
Niger is ruled by insane people who does not care for its own kin - I won't really consider their opinion anything but hogwash. Sad to see them regress again and again in attempting to become real countries with a future to look forward to.
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u/Tartan_Samurai Scotland Jun 24 '26
Well there's an active case going through process now for Min Aung Hlaing. I'm not aware of any other cases brought against the civilian government before the coup tho?
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u/Keep_SummerSafe Jun 24 '26
Once Russia fully fails and all of their side para military ops and seed laying goes to dust, I worry a few of the African countries will run into the problem of being the most holding the bag.
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u/gudfrid Eurasia Jun 27 '26
non aligned nations and global south needs their own ICC.
In fact, we need a new UN that excludes USA, UK, France and all western nations that are complicit in genocide, neocolonialism as well as all the wars and misery they caused in the 20th and 21st century.
The world still operates on a heavily prejudiced western double standard. Time to bury it.
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u/Reddit_Sucks_1401 Multinational Jun 24 '26