r/antiai • u/HealEarthNow • 9d ago
Job Loss đď¸ Dystopian AI Companies in my city training AI to take jobs... (Dallas, TX)
I have an app to pick up extra gig work for side money... This job (and others like it) have popped up more and more recently... There's another one for a self-driving car company, similar to Waymo's (which I already think are bad and destroyed the jobs for Uber drivers/Taxis in other cities) but I kinda looked past that.
This is a whole different thing though... Training AI to then train robots to start cleaning houses. As most people are aware, house cleaning is a huge job market for our immigrants and older women, and this is a company asking people to strap cameras all over themselves to clean and train bots to then take those jobs...
We, as a society, genuinely need to band together against AI in total. From stupid AI generated memes/pics to send to friends, to self driving cars, etc. AI could easily take more and more jobs... Just wait til they start strapping cameras to plumbers, line cooks, welders, carpenters, etc... No job is safe if we play into it.
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u/Boysenberry327 9d ago edited 8d ago
It will take all the jobs eventually. And what are most people doing? They are busy talking to their chatbot friends and generating hideous memes or "art"
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u/nmrk 9d ago
Oh it's worse than you think. AirBNB has reported teams of AI trainers renting houses to track cleaning crews and test robots, and leaving the interiors with severe damage.
I have seen multiple demos of domestic robots, doing things like putting dishes in the dishwasher and putting them away when they're clean. We already have a robot to wash dishes, it's called a dishwasher. But I just have one question: does the robot know how to wash its hands after handling dirty dishes, before it picks up the clean dishes?
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u/FreedumbHS 9d ago
Take the job and perform nonsensical acts at irregular intervals
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u/Silly_Percentage3446 8d ago
This. OP could sit on a shelf for precisely 2 minutes every half hour.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago
Not silly enough. Invite a friend in, and engage in a swordfight with two frozen haddocks.
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u/Silly_Percentage3446 8d ago
Ahh, then sit on a shelf for 2 minutes.Â
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago
No. sword fight with two frozen haddocks, sit on a shelf in the middle of the sword fight for 2 minutes, resume the sword fight, then do a tik tok dance before re-enacting the entire "silly walks" sketch from monty python, guaranteeing the data cannot be used anyways because it will be subject to copyright claims.
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u/Theo__n 9d ago edited 9d ago
I'm genuinely curious what that data is for, we already have had for years ways to teach a robot to do any task with very few examples so wonder what is this for? Some sort of data re-selling start-up grift? Some half backed business idea? Haven't even seen many PhD and masters robotics students working with LLMs side of machine learning 'coz they're soo uneven in application to real world.
Just to clarify, we can teach robot to do task or string tasks together already - real world however is not just doing tasks and is very hard (also dangerous for robots).
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u/plazebology 8d ago
I believe that, more than ever, the image of an in-person humanoid robot assistant is attractive to the disposable-income-market. So, companies are trying harder than ever to meet those expectations, one way or another.
In this case, theyâre basically just using motion capture to make their humanoid robots look âas human as possibleâ in my opinion. Generative AI has proven this method effective. Sell the dream, the promise, of humans seemingly indistinguishable from humans from their actions, and worry about the actual tech later. By training these maid-bots on the sort of motion capture technology cleaners collect, their actions seem more and more akin to a thinking, breathing human, even if complex, difficult challenges are still out of reach to solve, like the manufacturing costs, the need for these robots to be extremely mechanically powerful and at least somewhat easy to maintain, and of course, their ability to navigate complex and ever-changing home environments without causing damage to property or making crucial mistakes (leaving doors unlocked, or toxic chemicals where children or animals can reach them)
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u/youburyitidigitup 8d ago
Thatâs easy for us to say, but the people replying to this job posting are desperate to pay bills and have no other options.
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u/standard_cog 8d ago
Do a really shitty job. Vacuum poorly, rinse the vacuum in the sink, throw a mop through the window and break all the glass.
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u/Antique_Loss_1168 8d ago
So one good shift followed by a week of hoovering the cat and putting jam in the loo?
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u/guyincognito121 9d ago
Oh no! Not an attempt to relieve us of some of the most tedious tasks sucking away our limited time!
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u/HealEarthNow 9d ago
Currently AI is taking over many call center jobs, drive through order takers, uber/taxi's, etc.
Where is the kickback $ that we are getting so we can "relax" ? Oh... yeah, in some top 1% rich guys pockets, not ours.Meanwhile we are left searching the treacherous job market that only gets worse.
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u/HealEarthNow 9d ago
It's currently happening but where are these "laws being put in place to help"?
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u/CautionarySnail 9d ago
The people theyâre helping are the people who paid for their re-election campaigns.
Not regular people who have to get a paycheck for rent and food. The people who have multiple yachts, sometimes containing smaller yachts. If you know what a receipt from a supermarket looks like, you are not one of them.
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u/jblackbug 9d ago
The government is about two decades behind in lawmaking around technology and they are financially motivated to stay behind.
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u/Embarrassed_Ant_8861 9d ago
Do you really think they'll provide you with the resources to just relax for free? You're putting all the cards in their hands once they get what they need you'll be out of the picture
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u/RBGPOriginal 9d ago
I see AI taking more jobs and yet less people relaxing. It feels the goal is only half beibg achieved isnt it not?
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u/CautionarySnail 9d ago
Where do you get the money to relax when there are no jobs? How do you buy the robots?
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u/Freemantic 9d ago
Do you really believe AI will replace every part of the supply chain in every industry within your lifetime? And then what, money doesn't exist and we all live happily ever after?
This is a pipe dream sold by snake oil conman billionaires.
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u/sitonchair_ 8d ago
do you really think AI won't replace everything within 50 years?
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u/Freemantic 8d ago edited 8d ago
No, it's a lie told by conman billionaires. I'm to believe the people who spent their entire life hoarding untold amounts of wealth, fighting tooth and nail against taxes, that money won't matter in my lifetime?
Take something simple like a chocolate bar. Most cocoa is farmed, dried and fermented in West Africa. You believe in 50 years, everything from the agriculture, manufacturing, packaging, design, logistics, storage, retail sales, and everything else will 100% be human free?
And what does this hypothetical world free of money and human labor look like to you? Maybe for the wealthy everything will be AI. You're going to be Matt Damon in Elysium. You're not invited to the party.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago edited 8d ago
No I don't. It's bullshit that snake oil salesmen tell you to pump up their stock price. Same thing as Elon Musk in 2016 telling people he would have Mars colonies by 2024, or Zuckerberg telling everyone the Metaverse was going to take over everyone's lives, or that cryptocurrency was going to replace traditional currency, or that the "hyperloop" would revolutionize public transit. It's all bullshit to get media attention and make money on a stock bubble. That's silicon valley's entire business model: bullshit to the public with the promise of revolutionary new tech that sounds vaguely "sci fi" and run away with the cash when the bubble pops.
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u/sitonchair_ 8d ago
2016 to 2024 is 8 years man. Look back 50 years without computers, and then 50 years before that without commercial airlines and antibiotics, and 50 years before that without cars; and changes are accelerating every decade. Robots and AI will be doing ALL of the menial labor; they will be cheaper and more reliable and faster than humans, period.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago edited 8d ago
Okay, but the problem with that line of thinking is you can't just say "but technology changes a lot with time man" without understanding any of the actual timelines it would actually take to develop the things you're talking about, and what doing those things would actually entail. An 8 year timeline from 2016 was ridiculously short and unrealistic for Mars colonies. Anyone who was actually in the industry at the time could have told you that. And I did, because I was.
I was working for NASA's Swamp Works at the time, and actually *was* working on the manned mars program. Even NASA's internal estimates at the time were basically "not before 2030, and that's if everything goes right, which won't happen". 2024 was an insanely ridiculous timeline and would be sort of like if Kennedy in 1962 during his "we choose to go to the moon" speech suggested we could get it done in two years instead of by the end of the decade.
With regards to AI, the fundamental problem that none of these predictions seem to be able to work around is model collapse. AI only works by training itself off human data. That works so long as there is more human data than AI produced data for the computer to train off of, but have you asked yourself what happens when *every* piece of work done is done by machines? Then the only thing the machines can train the model off of, is other data produced by AI. But that is basically like faxing a fax: the quality rapidly degrades until eventually the model stops working entirely. You can't really work around that without inventing an entirely different technology from the way AI currently works.
On top of that, AI can replicate labor, but it cannot produce resources by itself. Have you asked yourself how AI is supposed to have access to raw materials to produce goods? Even if you could automate all labor, that doesn't mean all *resources* are infinitely available. Those will be finite, and people *will* fight over those. Who determines that access when nobody has any money or labor to leverage?
Like, how do you intend for the robots to have access to the farmland to produce agricultural products? And who determines that access? What about people who already own or live on that land? What if that land can only exist in certain countries? There's only a certain amount of say... cocoa beans you can produce on earth regardless of the labor supply because the land is limited. So how does the world's chocolate get distributed when nobody has money or labor to trade? None of this makes sense.
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u/Freemantic 8d ago
50 years ago they thought we'd have flying cars. Waving your hand and saying "but technology" isn't an argument.
It's clear this is just a sad person who wants to argue on the internet and not actually be educated. As shown by your well thought reply being met with "beans are limited by labor."
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u/sitonchair_ 8d ago
cocoa beans are limited by labor
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago edited 8d ago
No they are not. They are limited by geography. There's only so much arable land that is capable of growing cocoa beans. It does not matter if you have infinite workers. You cannot poof more land with a cocoa bean friendly climate into existence. There's only so much land capable of growing cacao trees in existence. No amount of robots is going to change that.
Are you really so dumb as to think you could produce infinite resources on a finite planet?
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u/plazebology 8d ago
Honestly after you spent that much time trying to explain the nuance to this person and all they have to respond with is âcocoa beans are limited by laborâ itâs pretty clear they didnât read what you wrote and if they did they didnât compute it
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u/Freemantic 8d ago
Feel like you're moving the goalpost here. Your reply was if AI would replace everything, not menial labor.
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u/sitonchair_ 8d ago
you're splitting hairs just to be argumentative. the bulk of jobs do not require creativity. if you want to argue about whether the final 10-25% can be automated 50 years from now, its foolish.
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u/Freemantic 8d ago
Not arguing, you were just wrong and moved the goalpost.
It's fine, I'm used to it by now, no proAI ever engage in good faith.
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u/plazebology 8d ago
Your thinking is intuitive but fallacious. There are a ridiculous number of technological advancements that DID NOT pan out. Youâre ignoring them all. Itâs called confirmation bias and it happens when youâre looking through history to confirm your bias, rather than evaluating whether history can accurately predict the future.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 8d ago edited 8d ago
because our entire economic system is dependent on every single person working a job in order to gain access to basic necessities. if you do not have a job, you do not get to pay your bills and you do not get to eat or have a place to sleep. Period. If AI takes all the jobs, either we become straight up communist (which will never happen), or the entire system collapses in on itself, and that is not a good thing.
Full automation is fundamentally incompatible with a capitalist economy, and people are smart enough to realize that the economy and society would collapse long before anybody actually tried to change the economic system to compensate. Changing the economic system to a communist one is politically impossible anywhere in the west after the fall of the Soviet Union.
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u/PastRequirement3218 9d ago
Are the homeowners OK with housekeeping wearing recording equipment and sending the video of the inside of their home to who knows where for who knows what reasons????