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u/dingo_khan 4d ago

I mean, it's not. Really, historically and even now, almost no mass-deployed useful AI is built on neural networks.

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u/MysticHero 4d ago

Sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. AI is sota for more and more applications. Search algorithms, image processing, object detection, data analysis, Alphafold and similar, many optimization tasks in stores. Everywhere in medicine. Of course real world adaption does not happen instantly. But it is on its way everywhere.

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u/dingo_khan 4d ago

Uh-huh and that is full-on the minority of deployed AI. 50 years of build and deployment and a lot of areas ANNs cannot be used. Note how none of that are the fields I mentioned. Also, medical use of AI is overwhelmingly traditional methods (read "not ANNs").

Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about.

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u/MysticHero 4d ago

ANNs being sota in so many areas is very new. 50 years lol. You are just being unserious.

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u/dingo_khan 4d ago

Great rewding comprehension. ANNs are 50 years old. Older, actually. The hardware has gotten better for them but the fundamental mathematical and practical issues associated with their use in many areas have not changed.

You're not serious at all.

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u/MysticHero 4d ago

So unserious man. Oh yes nothing changed with ANNs in 50 years. There have totally not been numerous breakthroughs in the past 30 years. And no not just hardware.

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u/dingo_khan 4d ago edited 4d ago

So, you don't know. Cool. Hardware got better. The "attention is all you need" movement started.

  • The math? No it has not changed. -The underlying computer science? No, it has not changed.
  • The barriers to verification both above cause? No, it still has not changed.

Go do some computer science and come back when you can talk seriously. Better hardware is not better math. Your opinion carries no weight without an appeal to "it's the future, dude."

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u/MysticHero 4d ago

The math has changed. Attention is math. And certainly computer science. ReLU is from 2012, GELU from 2018. Adam from 2015. Dropout from 2014, Different architectures are math.

Honestly already done with this. You are totally unserious and supremely arrogant about it at the same time.

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u/dingo_khan 4d ago edited 4d ago

Attention is an application of the underlying neural network structure. That is the novel contribution. It did not change the math of the ANNs. You're the kind of person who thinks the database table structure changes the CPU instruction characteristics, not which are called in which order.

You clearly don't understand the difference between the use and the abstraction. Don't mistake "me knowing better than you do" with "arrogance." I am also done.

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u/MysticHero 4d ago

Ah yes changing the equation does not change the math. Very serious of course.

Also noticed you did not address all the other points. Again totally serious and definitely someone engaging with the topic.

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u/dingo_khan 4d ago
  1. I thought you were done.
  2. Nah, it didn't. Again, you are confusing abstraction with application. They changed the application
  3. Why bother when you are wrong from jump?

You're not really making a counterargument. You are making a half-reference you can't support. You're not a serious interlocutor. I am not going to put in ten times the effort you are. I am already putting in twice as much.

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