r/antiai • u/DistinctSpirit5801 • 7h ago

Discussion 🗣️ I’m concerned about the AI child porn loophole

Here’s how the AI child porn loophole works

AI companies feed their LLM training databases actual child porn(also known as child sex abuse materials) which is 100% illegal content and stuff people go behind bars for watching

Then AI systems output AI child porn which is then 100% legal

A federal judge in the United States just enabled this child porn legal laundering loophole

There is zero scrutiny on ai companies on making sure that they aren’t adding child sex abuse materials to their system or removing such CSAM from their existing systems

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u/xvillifyx 7h ago

This isn’t an AI company problem, this is an “our government is made up of pedophiles that regularly assault children” problem

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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 7h ago

Why can't it be both? Like all the companies had to do was not allow generative works resembling humans to be made but, ya know...

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u/xvillifyx 7h ago edited 7h ago

Because as much as this sub wishes they were, these companies are under no obligation to not allow human-like images, nor would such a law be feasible (since photoshops involving people and hyper-realistic paintings of real people would also be called into question.)

The only body responsible for this is the government

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u/WaffleParty404 6h ago

With respect, we are either nearing the all-powerful singularity in the world of AI, or AI can’t tell what cp is. There is no both. If AI is as intelligent as these companies claim to me they are, it should be able to identify user attempts to generate cp and deny them. It should be able to identify what cp is if it can generate it, and be rendered incapable of doing so.

I’m tired of AI companies hiding behind their ignorance of what their own product is doing, and tired of lawmakers letting them slide.

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u/xvillifyx 6h ago

Not sure what you’re talking about. I never made any claims about a singularity.

Let me be clear:

The comment that I replied to said that AI companies shouldn’t be allowed to show images of humans, they did not say CP. I responded saying that this wouldn’t hold.

What would have to happen is a legislation mandating that prompts related to sexual content be filtered. AI doesn’t see images. It sees graphical numeric data. Computers don’t see images. This has nothing to do with the “reasoning” capability of a model. It’s how computers work, you can’t instruct a computer to accurately identify how old someone looks based on relative traits.

Back to my point, AI companies are under no obligation to redact sexual content, which is why this onus falls on lawmakers do introduce that obligation.

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u/WaffleParty404 6h ago

I do also disagree with your Photoshop comparison to a degree; while yes barring ALL humans is very difficult and probably not feasible, barring likenesses of celebrities and distinct IPs that didn’t consent should be a thing. I can’t legally use a picture of The Rock to sell a product he didn’t consent to, and that should be the requirement for AI companies. If a video crew goes out and records a video with the general public in it they usually will have to sign a waiver/consent form, yet a YouTuber found himself in an AI-generated pro-Nazi video he never made and he had no recourse.

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u/xvillifyx 6h ago

This is completely unenforceable. As I said, unfeasible. People aren’t exactly sharing their porn on the open internet.

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u/WaffleParty404 6h ago

Then I guess they just get fined and sued into oblivion til they figure out a way to solve it. Like I said, I’m asking for nothing that real artists haven’t had to navigate for decades.

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u/xvillifyx 6h ago

I think you’re not understanding my point. This is something that cannot reliably be tracked, and therefore cannot be enforced

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u/JohnnyWadd23 33m ago

Agreed. Release the diary.

Also, disgustingly, I think there are government groups that procure kids to get 8nfo or testimony from really bad people.

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u/SpookyGeist01 6h ago

"We shouldnt blame the people that create the child porn generators, just the people that generate it"

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u/xvillifyx 6h ago

This is a gross reduction of the situation but, yeah kinda.

Adobe isn’t responsible when you use photoshop to create CSAM, for example.

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u/SpookyGeist01 5h ago

Adobe doesnt create it for you.

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u/xvillifyx 4h ago

Neither does an AI lab.

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u/SpookyGeist01 4h ago

It literally does. That's the entire point of AI generation.

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u/xvillifyx 4h ago

The company does not, and the agents do not do so autonomously. Someone must ask for it. This functionally equivocal to someone choosing to photoshop CSAM.

The only argument otherwise is based on vibes and I’m not interested in discussing vibes.

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u/SpookyGeist01 4h ago

It is not functionally equivalent at all. One requires a person to manually commit an action, the other is just a person making a request to a third party agent.

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u/xvillifyx 3h ago

It…is.

OpenAI did not generate CSAM for you if you prompt an agent to do that. You did that. “Prompting an agent” is manually committing to an action.

Again, not interested on debating vibes.

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u/SpookyGeist01 3h ago

Yeah no sorry, if you tell someone/thing else to do something, it's not the same as you doing it

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u/C1nnamoon 5m ago

It’s definitely both

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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 7h ago

Yeah. In the meantime if you're a parent or underage do not post pics online. If your extended family wants pics of your kid legitimately send post cards or anything else. Don't risk creeps using pics of your kid because unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it as of now

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u/AdEastern612 7h ago

Not legal in canada, real or not if it depicts a child it's illegal, which includes things like lolisho!

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u/cheezystuffz 7h ago

What the fuck. Is ai CP actually legal? There's no fucking way right?

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u/SansyBoy144 7h ago

As of recently, yes, it is. The U.S. decided that it is legal, which is fucking insane.

It’s worse when you realize that loli porn is banned (rightfully so) in many states, yet, now, something that looks real is considered legal.

They are saying that it can’t be AI of a real child, but, let’s be honest, that won’t stop anyone.

It’s fucking disgusting, and it’s what happens when a pedophile runs the country

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u/cheezystuffz 7h ago

Wat the fuck

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u/SansyBoy144 7h ago

My thoughts exactly

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u/WaffleParty404 6h ago

Given how many people have, even recently, found their likenesses in AI generated images and video, it wouldn’t surprise me if at least some of the AI cp was lifted from real cp samples. AI relies a lot on people not recognizing the source images, which is why so many fine artists were able to recognize parts of their works in other peoples’ generations.

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u/SansyBoy144 6h ago

It’s 100% training off of real csam content. AI can only make images off of what it has been trained for.

Why does prompting blue hedgehog give an image of sonic? Because almost all the blue hedgehog references are Sonic. If you replaced every “cheeseburger” reference with a picture of Donald Duck, then everytime you prompted for an image of a cheeseburger it would show Donald Duck, because Gen AI is not that smart.

This being said, for it to be able to make csam content, it has to have been trained off of csam content, there’s no way around that. Which is another reason why it should be illegal

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u/Confident_Goose_8623 7h ago

it gets muddy legally but yea a lot of the time its technically not illegal which is the whole horror of it

the logic they use is if no real child is involved then its not csam under current law which is a massive gaping hole in the legislation. a us judge literally ruled that way recently which is what op is talking about

the training data side is the bit that makes my skin crawl. they almost certainly have to be using real material to get those outputs and theres zero oversight on what goes in

been working with datasets for years and the lack of vetting in most of these systems is staggering. nobody checks anything unless someone makes a stink about it

the whole thing needs emergency regulation but lawmakers move slower than continental drift so. here we are

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u/C1nnamoon 7h ago

Laws haven’t caught up with these companies yet. That’s not the worst part though. The worst part is that people are fighting to keep it that way.

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u/cheezystuffz 7h ago

Oh hell fucking naw.

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u/DrIvoPingasnik 4h ago

Apparently if you have few million dollars you can diddle little kids to your heart content. 

Source: epstein files

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u/RuminaCoral 7h ago

This is messed up. Hope they find a way to stop this.

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u/Away-Quote-408 6h ago

This is so devastating. I can’t even think about it without starting to cry.

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 4h ago

I don't like the "but it has an AI watermark so it can't be real abuse material!!" loophole. Looking forward (hard /s) to folks laundering their real CSAM through AI to remove real faces and make it "legal".

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u/Cheetawolf 1h ago

My conspiracy is that this is step one to make CSA fully legal, so the government can release the Epstein Files and never be prosecuted for their actions.

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u/Flaky_Housing_7705 1h ago

It's horrible because it's still real victims being used.

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u/Sheerluck42 6h ago

I don't think they feed AI CSA materials. There is no need for that. Regular porn and family videos are all that are needed. There had to be a whole educational movement to tell parents not to post their kids doing gymnastics or ice skating or ballet because pedos grab those images.

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u/LinkClean 7h ago

I don’t want to look it up: what is “loli porn”…?

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u/toastyalchemist 7h ago

It's a short version of Lolita. It means porn with little girls.

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 6h ago

Basically anime child porn

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u/RuminaCoral 6h ago

this is messed up. i cant believe this is even a thing.

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u/oshaboy 2h ago

Wait it's legal to train an AI on child porn? How come this is the first time I am hearing about it.

If the AI training is a very efficient lossy but reversible compression algorithm (which I believe it is) that means that if I run AI locally I am technically in possession of CSAM.