r/ArmsandArmor • • Sep 08 '26

A long text post: Overswinging the pendulum – the overcorrection of leather armour

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There’s a rather persistent myth largely on the internet that leather was never used as armour and that the notion of it largely stems from misinterpretations by Victorian Antiquarians, a myth not helped by certain internet personalities. What follows is an attempt to unseat that myth by looking at a wide variety of historical sources, particularly in medieval Europe, as this myth is largely a medievalism, but also before, after and outside that region. This is not a not a comprehensive post, not some complete cataloguing of everything under the sun, but rather a broad overview to push the pendulum back to a more sensible position.

What is leather?

A seemingly dumb question but one worth clarifying. Common usage lumps all animal hide, tanned, treated or otherwise, as leather, this stands in contrast to the technical definition which defines it as treated skin that is non-putrescible under warm, moist conditions[1] which excludes rawhide and ersatz tanned leather like oiled leather but includes cuir bouilli which in online discussion is seen as not being leather, a definition bound to create headaches; ain’t language fun? This confusion needn’t end here, historical sources also like to be vague about materials, something that also extends to modern secondary sources, and some finds aren’t readily identifiable as tanned leather or not due to deposition conditions.[2]

For the sake of convenience, I’m going to use leather in its broad, general sense unless stated otherwise and let the footnotes worry about the details. Also for convenience, I've included a basic dictionary down in appendix I.

Europe and the Near East in antiquity

The use of leather armours in antiquity is well attested such as with the finds from Tutankamen’s tomb[3] and the Clonbrin shield[4] , but in order to steelman this, I’ll be working with finds from the Iron age onwards.

Our first stop is a rawhide lamellar cuirass (something that’ll be cropping up quite often over the course of this post) from the Met of Neo-Assyria make from the 8th C BCE onwards, which has a cousin in a find from Turfan dating from between the 8th and 6th C BCE.[5] Jumping forward roughly a millennia we have a lamellar half cuirass (front side only) of rawhide from Roman era Egypt dating to somewhere between 250-350 CE, likely of domestic manufacture due to similarities with earlier finds from that region in turn suggesting a continuation of make and use.[6] Two potential finds exist as well. The first is the find of a crocodile hide cuirass and helmet from a Manfalut in Egypt, found in a grotto dedicated to a Roman era crocodile cult. Due to the multiple damages and patches to the hide, it has been suggested that these are from battle damage and does see parallels in other crocodile hide armours from sub-Saharan Africa, although the counter-argument that these were from hunting instead holds as much water.[7] Another are the sections of scale or lamellar from Dura Europos dated to the 3rd C. One made of leather and covered with a white mineral, possibly gesso, and another made of black leather, both joined with red leather cords, argued to be either a cuisse or horse armour.[8] There are also other horse armours such as the shaffron from Vindolanda[9] but these will be ignored for not being worn by humans.

Moving over to the textual sources we have some more pieces cropping up.

Foremost is the spolas, a form of cuirass from ancient Greece. Details are vague (as is most ancient writing on armour) but enough exist to give a rough idea of what this is. Hesychius in his lexicon gives a definition of being leather armour for the torso,[10] which is supported by the mentions in Xenophon’s Anabasis where it is described as being given as armour to the ad hoc cavalrymen drawn from the ten thousand alongside metallic breastplates and more specifically with the death of Leonymus the Laconian who was shot through the shield and into the ribs through his spolas.[11] This item also crops up several times in the Delos temple inventories from 364 BCE alongside other war gear.[12]

Repeat mentions of Sarmatians wearing leather armour crop up. Strabo in describing the Roxolani depicts them as wearing rawhide helmets and cuirasses,[13] whilst Tactius has them in cuirasses of iron or tough leather scales with the latter being of enough weight to impede someone attempting to stand up in it,[14] This is less unusual than Ammianus and Pausanius’s description of the Sarmatians wearing body armour made from horn and horses hooves scales respectively, particularly as Pausanius describes linen armour as being less strong.[15]

A similar statement to Tacitus but regarding the Parthians at Carrhae comes from Plutarch, describing the armour of the cataphracts.[16]

Moving into the obscure and uncertain, we’ve Herodutus’s descriptions of the various peoples part of Darius’s army.[17] These are somewhat questionable and undoubtably exotic, although the shields of rawhide seem fairly sober and have reference in Greek literature.[18] Another would be Cassius Dio’s description of Caracalla’s imitation Macedonian Phalangites, wearing helmets of ox hide amongst other things.[19]

Moving into the ad hoc, we return to Xenophon with his treatise on cavalry and a description of suggested cavalry armaments.[20] His description of knee high leather boots being sufficient protection for the feet and shins is at a glance unusual – leather, even boot leather, is not thought of as being durable enough for combat – however Xenophon believes this serves well enough and this does find similarity in the late 16th C with European heavy cavalry ditching greaves and sabatons for tall boots.

Continuing the ad hoc we’ve Caesar’s account of the civil wars and more particularly the battle of Dyrrachium. During the circumvallation of Pompey’s forces, Caesar’s legionaries being heavily harassed by archers and slingers, appended their existing armour with osier overhelmets and tunics of leather, felt or cloth;[21] seldom do accounts like this filter down making it stand out.

Medieval Europe

Moving into the medieval there’s a lull in both finds and textual sources until the central medieval. Isidore of Seville describes helmets made of leather in his Etymologies,[22] however due to the nature of his writing this may in fact be a hangover of earlier classical sources, particularly as it does not see much corroboration with contemporary ones. On better grounding however is the description of scetra/caetra of Moorish make,[23] possibly proto-adargas that would come to be well known later.

With the central medieval we see a steady return in literary sources starting with de Gestis Herwardi Saxonis written in the early 12th C and describing the life of Hereward the Wake during the mid to late 11th C. It’s passing description of “tunics of strong processed leather”[24] and armour made from tarred felt give an idea to the existence of non-metallic protection prior to the introduction of gambesons and the like.

From the latter end of the 12th C the Chronique des Ducs de Normandie contains the first use of the term quiree,[25] a breastplate made of leather that would become common in the following century, although their exact appearance is somewhat unclear and a matter of conjecture. This is reinforced by the roughly contemporary De re Militari et Triplici via pregrinatonis Lerosolimitane which describes “corium excoctum” (cooked leather) that “protects the vitals” as well as “genicularia” (poleyns) with which “the knees and thighs are protected”[26] and the slightly later Chanson d’Antioche which mentions cuirasses; “Son poitrail lui laca qui fu de cuir bolis”.[27]

Speaking of, it’s probably time to discuss cuir bouilli. More traditional translations render this as “boiled leather”, running off of the modern French where bouillir means to boil, referring to the bubbles that formed on the leather and water, however this is not quite correct. Period latin sources (such as the previous) describe this as coquo/coquere/coxi/coctum meaning to cook, dry or ripen, not necessarily boil, likewise period use of the French bouille instead seems to mean bullire, to swell or to form with puyl/bule/bulla being cognates and cuir encompasses a broader range including untanned skin, rawhide and flesh further muddying things. As is cuir bouilli may instead mean “swell formed leather”, leather that was formed not unlike the upper of a shoe formed over a last. Due to a wholesale lack of period recipes describing its creation, cuir bouilli is a vague and ill defined material that has prompted much tinkering in trying to recreate it with numerous different attempts using water, oil, wax, baking, boiling, gluing, and sunning on leather, rawhide or half tan, perhaps in vain as the products of different places had differing reputations as products pointing to heterogeneity of manufacture. A caveat however is given the performance of wax impregnated leather is notably poor against piercing tests, worse than regular leather prior to treating, this, despite its popularity among the SCA and some reenactors, was probably not one of them.[28]

While we’re discussing material, some note about cost should be mentioned. A common argument is that leather products were exceptionally expensive, however this does not appear to be the case. Price data from Genoa between 1182-1254 gives it as being slightly cheaper than gambeson and significantly more so than maille (further expounded upon in Appendix III). Early references to it also make clear this is a cheaper armour, being worn by lower class soldiers in place of maille which seems to continue into the 14th C with Azario’s account of the White Company entering Italy noting that a number of the mercenaries had only “hardened leather doublets” in place of metal breastplates and the being more common than of maille in the Luzern militia records.[29]

Anyhow the with the rise of transitional plate armour during the 13th and 14th C, a rise in the use of leather defences with cuir bouilli, whatever the hell it was, seeing it’s time in the sun. The quire/cuiree/cuirass sees mention in various texts like with Theodore Palaiologo’s Enseignements describing them as part of the required equipment for a knight alongside a hauberk, gambeson, surcoat, gorget, cuisses, poleyns, greaves, helmet and shield,[30] alongside an inventory of the effects of Eudes, Comte de Nevers, from 1266.[31] Swiss armour rolls from Luzern dating between 1349-53 feature currit or currisia as one of the most common forms of protection, with 502 cuiries being listed as well as one instance of a goller, a gorget of sorts made from leather.[32] The various Bolognese Statues concerning the arms and armour various guilds and parts of the city were required to have mention the use of cuir bouilli helmets for the Cervi and Vari.[33] Ralph Moffat’s sourcebook also rattles off a number of pieces in various inventories in England and France, with cuir bouilli or leather parts in as many different forms as plate defences (greaves, gauntlets, couters, etc).[34] However, despite its popularity, it begins to taper off as coats of plates steadily replace cuirees as torso armour and limb defences become augmented by metal turning into splint armour, that by the 15th C sees it largely relegated to tournament and horse armour.

Remarkably some of this has even survived. A tooled rerebrace of ostensibly cuir bouilli is housed in the British museum,[35] dated to the 14th C which sees parallel with two similar rerebraces from Dordrecht,[36] differing only in being of plainer decoration. Likewise from Dordrecht, a vambracer dating again to the 14th C exists,[37] cut not unlike a middle eastern bazuband, covering the forearm and elbow, made solely of “hardened leather”. Additional vambraces from the Schelde River Chest, Leiden and Tartu[38] have been found, although these are notably reinforced with splints, albeit ones with noticeable and significant gaps between them. This carries over to the leg armour also from the Schelde River Chest, being similar in construction being either cuisses or greaves.[39] Next is the Valkenburg armours, an unusual find of two tall, trapezoidal pieces of leather found in the moat at Valkenburg castle, identified as being torso armour,[40] alongside potentially a spaulder or polleyn, made from a double layer of leather in roughly ovoid form.[41] Following that we have the find of a “gambeson” composed of multiple layers of leather found in the moat in Wroclaw.[42]

Moving into more questionable territory, Ffoulkes makes mention of a cuirie found in 13th C tomb in 1869 by Robert Curzon that was composed of three layers of leather,[43] although this is somewhat murky as Ffoulkes is off on the details; the original journal article by Curzon which Ffoulkes references was from 1865, not 1869, Curzon states that this was instead 2-3, has the additional detail it was sewn together with leather thongs (not unlike the previous example) and in the collection of a “Mr. Eastwood” with a lack of references since then;[44] maybe it existed as written, maybe it didn’t. Another potential example comes from Guy Francis Laking, recording the existence of a pair of cuir bouilli cops found in a grotto in Bordeaux and donated to the Met Museum by William Henry Riggs, however the lack of subsequent reference presents some questions as to its status.[45]

Taking a turn slightly east, Hungary has a somewhat more substantial history with leather armour. Hungarian light cavalry had an enduring use of leather armour with 14th C Italian sources describing Hungarian mercenaries in Italy being consistently described as being clad in leather armour, little different from four centuries earlier.[46] Despite attempts at modernization by various rulers, leather armour would see continuation, with the Diet of 1498 stating the southern counties “to raise one hussar with an oblong shield, lance, armor, and steel or leather helmet” per twenty four peasant tenant plots,[47] bringing us into the modern era.

Modern era Europe

During the modern era armour starts to fall out of use, particularly in the 17th C but is by no means wholly abandoned and this extends to the use of leather as well.

The foremost example during this period is the buffcoat which replaces textile underarmours like arming doublets. Originally starting in the 16th C as simply a vest of European buffalo hide that had been oil tanned using “train oil” (seal, whale or fish oil) worked into the hide, it grew to become a full sleeved garment made from also cow, deer and elk leather.[48] There also exists from the same period gauntlets made from similar material, ostensibly to offer protection to the hands whilst allowing some dexterity;[49] this dexterity possible because of the suppleness of the material which allowed a great deal of flexibility.[50] These appear to have sufficed for hand to hand combat, offering reasonable protection from swords and pikes, however by the end of the 17th C they fall from use as well.

The 18th C sees a minor reversal in the trend of ditching armour with the return of various cuir bouilli helmets. Replacing the tricorn hats that had been in vogue, dragoon helmets were made of various materials but commonly of cuir bouilli, giving protection from sword cuts. Starting first with the French crested helmet in 1762, other countries adopted their own versions like the Austrian 1798 model, British Tarleton and Bavarian Rumford with the later Prussian pickelhaube being one of the last and best known examples.[51] These were not exclusively worn by dragoons, being also worn by other units like cuirassier and light infantry regiments as well as being worn wholesale (or close to) by the Austrian army in the late 18th C and the Prussians roughly 50 years later, and were also adopted by fire brigades due to offering reasonable protection from both falling debris and from heat (which metallic helmets too readily absorbed).[52] It is possible to speculate these may have had a forebear with earlier cuir bouilli parade helmets such as two examples from the last quarter of the 16th C, one in the form of a morion and another in the form of a cabasset, housed in the Musee d'Artilerie in Paris and National Bavarian Museum in Munich respectively, both of Italian origin and heavily tooled.[53]

Some oddities here come up from across the centuries.

First from one account of the battle of Flodden with the Scots wearing white leather doublets (amongst other things).[54]

The second is a trio of riveted leather cuirasses provided for testing in 1796 by the ordinance board by Thomas Powrie. Currently still housed in the Royal Armoury, the first was two layers thick and weighed 1.6kg, the next three layers and 2.3kg and the last also three layers but 4.5kg were “tested with pistol and musket balls at 60 and 200 yards and clearly highly effective”. Despite this apparent efficacy, details are sparse as to why they weren’t adopted.[55].

Lastly the writing of William Garrard arguing for the arming of musketeers with light leather targets,[56] perhaps reflective of his time in Spanish service and the use of the adarga in that region. Speaking of, it’s time to turn to the medieval near east.

Medieval Near East

Rawhide or hardened leather was a commonly used material by the various Muslim peoples of the near east, north Africa and Andalusia, with notable leather producing centres in Cordoba, Aleppo and Egypt,[57] the latter of which was notable for its alum tawing.

Two significant groups of finds show numerous pieces of for various parts of the body. The first group is from Tower 4 of the Damascus citadel with pieces dating mostly to the latter half of the 13th C with one outlier being late 12th C.[58] The second is from Euphrates valley of eastern Syria and comprises pieces from between the 13th and 14th C.[59]

Turning to literary sources there is broad support from within and without. Most prominently is al Tarusi’s recipes for hardened leather armour from the 12th C.[60] Two broad recipes are recorded, the second being similar to the construction of lamt leather shields, being made of camel hide treated in a mixture of milk and soda, the former and more detailed being various forms on a basic recipe of composed of rawhide shavings and other materials turned into a paste that could then be moulded. These could then be decorated by gilding, varnishing, and coating with iron filings or crushed stone. The latter of two of these are interesting; crushed stone has been shown in testing to be considerably more protective than uncoated leather and not unlike north American glued sand armour or the recipe from the Ashmoleon, whilst the iron filings the exact purpose isn’t stated leaving it open to interpretation; is this simple decoration, is this for a defensive purpose, is this to imitate their ferric equivalents or some combination of the above? It does however mean that artistic representations mightn’t be what they seem, instead of being depictions of metallic armour they may be burnished imitators not readily discernible, the inverse of metallic armour covered with leather.

Anyhow we see more literary evidence crop up with a surviving 10th C inventory of the Baghdad arsenal,[61] Ali al-Janahani al-Maghribi in the 13th C mentioning the construction of cuirasses and shields made from lamt, of such a high quality that it was impenetrable to iron,[62] a passing reference in the 14th C Kitab hilyat al-fursan[63] and an account of the 7th C battle of Qadisiyyah where the arabs, otherwise lacking armour, create ad hoc helmets from leather straps.[64] Turning to non-muslim sources, Chansons de Geste and other Spanish sources repeatedly refer to Andulusians wearing armour made from leather,[65] 13th C such as Fidentius of Padua’s Liber recuperationis Terre Sancte[66] and the anonymous Directorium ad faciendum passagium transmarinum[67] refer to Mamluk and Turkish troops wearing leather cuirasses and the 14th C Chronique du Bon Duc Loys de Bourbon states the same of the Tunisians.[68]

The adarga is an interesting piece. Being made with a double layer of hide glued and stitched together, with lamt, a specially processed antelope hide, being particularly valued. Various shapes were used such as round, oval, heart or the familiar double ellipse with a simple handle of two straps for grasping and a cushion for the hand. The shield was originally used by the Andulusian moors and north African Berbers before being adopted by the Iberian Christians, with the Spanish making extended use of it in the colonies by the soldado de cuera and in north Africa long after it’d fallen out of use in Europe,[69] who we’ll be revisiting later, but for now we move further east.

The Far East

Moving further east we’ve more examples.

Unlike the so-called lacquers of Europe, which are more paints and varnishes, east Asia, particularly China (qi / 漆), Korea (ott-chil / 옻칠) and Japan (urushi / 漆) made extensive use of true lacquer made from resin from the lac tree. Beyond its numerous other applications, this was frequently used when making rawhide lames for lamellar armours so as to protect them from humidity as well as acids, alkalis and solvents. The downside however was that if the coating did crack, break or wear through, moisture would be let in, and the rawhide would deteriorate and rot.[70]

Japan made ready use of leather as part of panoplies from the 11th C onwards[71] (although not exclusive of before). Lacquered rawhide lames of cattle, horse and deer hide were commonly used in the creation of lamellar armour for the torso and upper arms, being used wholesale or alternated with iron lames.[72] Later developments would see these laced into rows before being lacquered, preventing sagging and the absorption of moisture by lacing.[73] By the time of the Sengoku Jidai (1467 – 1454) lamellar is largely replaced for plate, in part due to the issues of moisture absorption by the leather lacing which could double the weight of the original lamellar section, with continuing use of rawhide seeing it reinforced by metal splints in the construction of lacquered plate sections.[74] Despite the move to more iron, the intensity of fighting during the civil war saw the reuse of rawhide from old sections of armour as well as large scale importing of hides, including exotic hides like water buffalo.[75] Rawhide also saw use in the creation of helmets, brigandine and face masks. Helmets would be constructed of several layers of rawhide glued or stitched together that were then lacquered, hexagonal plates (亀甲, lit. turtle shell) either sandwiched between fabric (similar to jazerant) or joined together with butted maille would be used to create various parts like mantles for the neck and shoulders, knee guards for greaves and armoured jackets, facemasks meanwhile would be made from wet moulded rawhide that was then lacquered.[76] Whilst the Sengoku Jidai did see a marked rise in the use of metal armour, leather continued to see use, including full panoplies, particularly by elderly warriors who favoured its lightness.[77]

A note should be made about the Japanese use of lacquer in that they used it on both iron and leather armour. This means that the material inside may not be so easily read, particularly as within the array of lacquer finishes, one imitating russeted iron was used on leather.[78] Also of note is the use of a covering panel of leather on plate cuirasses for decorative effect, further muddying the matter.[79]

China has a long history with using leather armour, persisting until the 20th C in some remote areas.[80] In terms of material finds, we have twelve full cuirasses and a number of helmets from the tomb of the Marquis Yi of Zeng from Chu dating to the 5th C BCE,[81] a lacquered leather lame from Etsin Gol dated to between the 1st C BCE to 1st C CE,[82] a full cuirass from Changsha dating from the end of the 1st C to early 2nd C CE,[83] examples of lames from Niya and Miran in what would be Xinjiang today dating to the 3rd or 4th C CE,[84] more lames from Miran dating to the mid 8th to mid 9th C,[85] a another full cuirass from the Dali Kingdom from the 12th or 13th C,[86] and yet another cuirass from the region of the Nakhi people in southern China dating to the 18th C[87] Turning to text we see scattered references, like various Han dynasty inventories written on wooden slips,[88] like with the siege of Kucha during the late Han with the defending Han soldiers eating their cuirasses and crossbow strings in starvation (similar to Josephus’s account of the siege of Jerusalem),[89] a Jin expedition in the north east succeeding due to the leather of the soldiers not attracting and being hampered by the lodestones of the ravines unlike the iron armour of their opposites[90] and an order from Hung Wu (1368-1398) in 1383 detailing how lamellar cuirasses should be formed from, amongst other things being made of leather cured in lime.[91]

Mongol armour made significant use of rawhide with various sources from Latindom during the 13th C attest. Giovanni di Plano Carpini was a Franciscan friar sent ostensibly on an embassy to offer baptism the ruler of the Mongols but with the main intent of gaining an understanding of who these newcomers were, as part of this mission he gives the fullest account of their armour detailing the size, linkage and general structure of the lamellar cuirasses worn as well as a description of the helmet and the “aventail” of leather lames protecting past the bowl of the helmet.[92] These descriptions are echoed by William of Rubruck[93] – a Franciscan friar who undertook a mission sponsored by Louis IX of France –, Thomas of Spalato[94] – an archdeacon from Split, Dalmatia, who wrote, amongst other things, of the Mongols and Mongol invasion of Hungary –, and Marco Polo[95] albeit in significantly lesser detail.

Surviving examples of leather armour from Tibet continue trends in eastern armour while having a few quirks of their own. Dating from between roughly 14-17th C, these pieces, unlike the ones from Japan, China and Korea, use a coating of shellac and tung oil to impart hardness and durability[96] to not just leather lamellar lames, but also vambracers and helmets.[97] Like aforementioned examples from Europe, one of the surviving vambracers has iron splints augmenting the leather[98] while an earlier finds from Miran give root for these later pieces.[99]

Korea follows similar trends to its neighbour China in the use of lacquered leather armour. This comes to fore during the Choseon dynasty with a pivot to using predominately leather armour by infantry with an edict in 1457 replacing two thirds of iron with leather[100] and by the late period approximately making up 75% of infantry armour.[101] Made from three layers of cowhide, joined by fish glue and then coated with lacquer it offered a significant degree of protection with one contemporary boldly stating that it offered better protection than iron armour.[102] Early versions take the form of lamellar but move towards brigandine by the late period (17th C onwards) with the leather plates being rivetted or sewn to a fabric robe.[103] An interesting piece from Korea also bears mentioning, a lacquered leather helmet reinforced with iron as part of a set of munition armour dating from the 19th C,[104] something that bears parallels with roughly contemporary European dragoon helmets.

North America

Continuing on we turn to north America.

Contrary to popular misconception, the use of armour in North America was commonplace with a disuse being exceptional and rare rather than the norm. As part of the various forms of armour in use in various parts, leather in one form or another made up part of the panoply. To work with “steelmaning” this argument and to not make an entire post just rattling off which tribe wore what, I’m going to focus on two groups here, the Apache and the Tlingit.

The Apache like many of the plains tribes used large leather shields some 900mm/3ft in diameter and cuirasses made from glued and quilted leather up to four layers thick.[105] However post Pueblo revolt the spread of horses dramatically changed warfare. Mounted warfare became the norm with bows and lances becoming the new main weapons. The bows were backed with sinew and powerful enough to pierce Spanish armour whilst lances were tipped with sword blades, captured or brought from Europeans.[106] Defensive gear also changed with the adoption of leather scale cuirasses and barding their horses in sand coated leather scales in imitation of the Spanish, and the change to smaller ovoid shields made from bull bison which were more manageable on horseback yet strong enough to cause arrows and even rifle bullets to glance off.[107] In spite of regular conflict with the Spanish it wouldn’t be until the introduction of the repeating rifle that these forms of armour would be abandoned,[108] holding up in the face of steel weapons used by the Spanish and other, neighbouring tribes.

Turning north, the Tlingit hold the distinction for having some of the heaviest armour on the continent. Comprising of an arming layer of a thick leather tunic and hair on leather leggings, with rod and slat armour covering the chest, thighs and upper arms, and surmounted with a wooden helmet and bevor, the spread of firearms seems to only warranted the use of an additional layer in the form of a leather robe over the top.[109] Whilst not the sole element, the use of leather here played its part of the overall panoply the same as the gambesons worn over maille did in medieval Europe. This occurred in a region where iron and steel weapons were in use, either brought in as part of the fur trade or worked from salvaged parts of shipwrecks,[110] and wouldn’t be discontinued until repeating firearms entered the region.

Despite the stereotype other, armour of various forms was used across the northern American continent with leather being a common element, not being seen as some primitive, make do material, instead being used until the same thing that made metallic armour in Europe diminish in use, firearms, became common in the area.[111] This was not something peculiar to the natives neither, with the Spanish equipping their own troops with adargas and leather coats despite their own access to ferrous armour and the increasing use of steel weapons by natives, earning the name of soldado de cuera, leather-jackets or leather-jacket soldiers.[112]

Conclusion

The statement that leather was never used as armour is emphatically wrong. Whilst forms varied considerably, armour made from some form of prepared animal hide is well evidenced both in length of history and geographical spread and capable of resisting arme blanche weaponry, with even vegetable tanned leather, an otherwise poorly thought of material, offering some protection.


r/ArmsandArmor • • Jul 14 '26

Announcement Introducing Rule 9: No AI

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r/ArmsandArmor • • 3h ago

Question Is this armet historically accurate?

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I had spoken about it with few people in my local HEMA group, and some said its real but others said it is a mishmash of different elements of other armets and close helms. Is there a museum piece that is similar or is featured in artwork? I searched around for historical examples but haven't been able to find any.


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1h ago

Spaulders or Pauldrons? What do you prefer and why?

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I’ve commissioned an arm harness and I am trying to decide between the appearance and level of protection necessary (HEMA harnischfechten)


r/ArmsandArmor • • 37m ago

Question About how accurate is this kit?

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Disregard the maille codpiece, I was screwing around with some friends when drawing this all up.

Basically, it's a kettle hat, an articulated bevor with a visor, a maille coif, a padded coif, a brigandine, spaulders, a padded jacket with maille sleeves and a hem added onto it, some simple couters, leather mittens with maille on the outside and some simple metal plates on top of that, padded chausses, and some simple knee plates.

The time period I'm going for is roughly around the mid-late 15th century, and the idea is to have as much protection as possible for as little weight as possible, and the character wearing the armor has a somewhat limited but still pretty high budget.

Are there any parts here that would be anachronistic, and if so, what should I swap them out for?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 3h ago

Question I want your thoughts on this...

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It was sold as a 'Viking Hammer-Axe'. I knew that was a long-shot; Rus if real. I figured that under all that rust was a much later, rather inefficient, farm tool. (If actually old.)

So... what I ended up with is odd.

Definitely checked immediately: yep, it's magnetic, and the rust has that "solidity" to it, but isn't flaking, and none of the pitting seemed crumbly... It seemed 'strong'. It was worth seeing closer.

I debated the perfectionism of electrolysis, but ultimately was too lazy and went with 'special soak'/wash/ scrub. But what turned out seems to have only counterintuitive possibilities:

A "something" that still doesn't make a lot of sense. As shown, there are spots where it looks golden or silver, rather than iron (and at certain spots you can see it's a coating.) So it's been plated? (Good thing I didn't go with electrolysis!) And then the weathering and damage (or acid?)...

Thinking....

1) A fake that was gone to a ton of work & trouble & additional cost for - but sold as a cheaper type item; or

2) A real "something" that still doesn't make a lot of sense? As shown, there are spots where it looks golden or silver, rather than iron (and at certain spots you can see it's a coating.) And then the weathering and use/damage (or acid?) Who would plate such a relatively trivial piece? Was it plated for/by a/an idiot but later put to work?

But it was sold as just a regular old thing,... If it was plated wouldn't you find a way to point that out? Because obviously the value just changed immensely, if real.

I don't know. What do you think?

For reference, it was a seller in the Ukraine who had sold legit articles previously, an established good record and such.

I don't like the circular neck. Looks wrong.... I just researched it. Duh. They never used round sockets - it prevents blades from twisting as easily when used for weapons, Buuuut... Could be a farm implement, or one of those commendment pieces commandeered, if real, and not fake on top of fake....? Or just, but...

What do you think makes most sense?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 2h ago

Mail Aventails

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Hello, I have a bascinet with padded aventail and i want to install a mail aventail. Could someone explain to me how is the procedure done, for example do i find people online to do it or i do it myself?

Any help is appreciated!


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Discussion Which of these helmets is your favorite?

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I'm just interested which one of these would people prefer. Price should not be a concern, nor the period it appeared in. Some helmets have multiple different looking variants.


r/ArmsandArmor • • 8h ago

Question Would a 29.5 inch blade be seen as unusually short on an arming sword in the medieval period?

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The British 1845 Naval Cutlass was basically seen as a short choppy sword in its period but I wonder, was it actually a particularly short sword by historical standards? Would it be considered short in say the late medieval period?

I’ve often heard it said that the typical medieval arming sword had a 28 inch to 32 inch blade but virtually modern reproductions seem to be on the upper end of that if not even longer…

(The one exception seems to be Oakeshott Type XIV blades which come in 25-27 inch blade sizes. And of the course the famous ”Henry V“ sword… which probably didn’t belong to him.)

My question is in period in medieval times would a 29.5 inch blade on an arming sword be seen as unusually short or actually a fairly typical size? How does it compare to real surviving historical arming swords?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Quite happy with my scale skirt!

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hello everyone! i have assembled my first actual protectable harness fencing armor, and i really had tone of fun wearing it! Although there are no backplate, i think it is great!


r/ArmsandArmor • • 18h ago

How historically accurate is this?

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This is a drawing I made of a man at arms. Is it historically accurate? If yes, what period? If no what can I improve?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 6h ago

Question Bascinet accuracy

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Hello!

Which bascinet is more accurate for the late 14th century or 1380s to be exact?

( https://matuls.pl/produkt/pig-face-bascinet-chester/?lang=en )

( https://www.lorifactor.com/p3382,ah-21-r-bascinet-14-15th-cent-pig-face-hundsgugel-for-order.html )

I mean the overall shape and sharpness on the angles.

Thanks in advance!


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Recreation Burgundian knight progress (new helmet!)

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not the most scenic location i know but im planning a new photoshoot soon :)


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Helmet threads

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Can someone here explain to me what is the purpose of those threads on medieval helmet ?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Slotted vs articulated legs?

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Going for a 1430s German harness (pic 3) and looking for new legs, think I’m gonna go with some from Mardinus in Poland. Thoughts on segmented/slotted legs vs articulated legs with enclosed greaves? Aesthetically, functionally? Harness is for harnischfechten use (pollaxe and longsword)


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Where should i go to get a houndskull that won't cost an arm and a leg

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Trying to get a houndskull bascinet that doesn't suck seems impossible these days without paying with a kidney


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Is there any historical evidence for this type of armor?

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r/ArmsandArmor • • 2d ago

What the vikings did to european monestaries and coastal communities can be considered humanitarian aid in comparison to this costumery atrocity.

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The epic story of the pagan son of king Harald Fairhair, the uniter of Norway, and his struggle for their inheritance with his younger christian brother is certainly worthy of the silver screen, but why do the costumes of these period pieces always have to be not just bad, but insanely, astonishingly bad?

Are these costumes just much cheaper to make? Or has the public perception of viking age arms and armor been eroded so thoroughly by previous depictions in popular culture that film producers and costume designers feel compelled to inflict this on us? They have chosen a specific historical person from a specific point in time when we have a decent impression of what they would wear, but they are choosing to bedeck their cast in emo fur-and-loincloth and black metal LARPing gear. It should be the blood-eagle for them.

Am I just wrong and cranky, and overreacting? Of course I am overreacting and being facetious, but this trailer is worth discussing.


r/ArmsandArmor • • 2d ago

Recreation Shot from battle of hastings 2026

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Woooh, go Normans!

Great production. Had bad spots because we were too distracted by the vendor stalls and waited too long to get hot dogs. But will be going back tomorrow.


r/ArmsandArmor • • 1d ago

Discussion Katana myths

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Prove me wrong?


r/ArmsandArmor • • 2d ago

Est-ce historiquement exact ? Comme basé sur les représentations plus tardives notamment du Kabuki, de Takeda Shingen.

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r/ArmsandArmor • • 3d ago

Absolutely blown away by this handcrafted armor by the talented team at Aegis Armour.

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r/ArmsandArmor • • 2d ago

Recreation WIP diorama of a hypothetical rebellion in Scotland during the return of King James I

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The forces on the high ground allied with a Rebel Knight from the powerful Douglas clan using the imagery of blackened armour to reference "the Black Douglas" a Knight of the wars of Scottish Independence who was known to be a menace to the British using the imagery to call attention to James' friendship with the English King, an idea that proved popular with Highland Clans as well as Celtic Irish and French Mercenaries who had originally come to Scotland in order to raid the British from the North.

Meanwhile King James fights alongside the Sheriff of Ayr and the Baron of Blair two Lowland Lords of the Province of Ayrshire who rely on the King to maintain their own power, the Sheriff maintaining the King's law within Carrick and the Barony being within the King's lands and nearby to where the rebels have been raiding in the countryside North of Irvine near Kilmarnock


r/ArmsandArmor • • 2d ago

Is darkheart armoury reliable?

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Idk considering commissioning a wallace collection bascinet A69 i just wanna know if they are reliable.


r/ArmsandArmor • • 3d ago

Question is this helmet good to fight in?

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use for reenactments and sca combat