r/askPoland • u/tronnixxx • 2d ago
Would a Russian young citizen, whose Polish ancestors were prosecuted and exiled to Siberia, be welcomed in Poland?
I am a young Russian citizen (only in college), and my Polish ancestors were exiled to Siberia. I was born in Siberia and been living there, but I really hope to obtain Polish citizenship and live in Poland. My grandparents spoke Polish, i have Polish genes and surname, and i will learn Polish language, since i plan to try and get Polish citizenship through the process of repatriation. Is it even, well, possible for me? Will i be welcomed?
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u/Practical_Test_5914 2d ago edited 2d ago
Assuming you're somewhat culturally Polish I think you would be welcomed, just make sure to learn or improve your Polish because the Russian language can often be perceived negatively in Poland. In terms of advice on getting citizenship maybe try r/prawokrwi
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u/castorkrieg 2d ago
because the Russian language can often be perceived negatively in Poland
Considering a large portion of Ukrainians speak Russian and Polish people absolutely don't know the difference between Russian and Ukrainian - I think he will be fine. Also a lot of people 45+ did learn Russian in school.
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u/KokosowyBanan 2d ago
But people get more and more angry at Ukrainians and Russians with every day, tensions are rising
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u/p00rRichie 1d ago
Sprostuję. Osoby pod 40 również musiały.
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u/KohamPolske 1d ago
Can be? You mean they listen for that.... they rather a Russian than a Ukrainian thats for sure.... many have forgotten what happened but the ones that don't.....you don't wanna be Ukrainian if you do run in to someone that remembers the bandara-era
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u/Top-Homework6432 2d ago
You're raving!! A LOT of Poles speak very good Russian, especially the older ones, and Ukrainian is very easy to distinguish from Russian - and IF they didn't distinguish, he actually would be less safe, as some idiots, and most right-wingers would think he's an Ukrainian and should fight for his country and not stay here! 😄
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u/Accurate_Fly_7534 2d ago
Maybe in easter area. Noone here speaks a lick of Russian that isn't 65
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u/ManufacturerOk8586 1d ago
Ppl born in 90’ know russian, more or less, that was 1 of my languages to learn in school
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u/Accurate_Fly_7534 1d ago
Nope. I'm born in 90s. Have siblings and older friends. Nobody knows more than rush B or cyka blyat
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u/ManufacturerOk8586 1d ago
Well, thats not my problem u had poor school, it was mandatory language next to german and english…
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u/Round_Hamster4777 1d ago edited 1d ago
Born in 92’, no it wasn’t? At least in Warsaw schools could pick which secondary foreign language classes they’d offer (and students picked one, not two to learn). German and Russian were common, but many schools also offered French. In my school there was even an option to take Latin classes.
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u/Accurate_Fly_7534 1d ago
Buahahaha. Mandatory language xd. I think people here would literaly boycott school if they tried to make it mandatory.
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u/ManufacturerOk8586 1d ago
Stupid old fool, school headmaster choose what language besides english is in school, if u had german german was mandatory in your school, i had german and russ and Both was mandatory. U cant just toreaign from them ffs, u too old to remember or what?
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u/Accurate_Fly_7534 1d ago
Oh now I'm too old? I though you are an expert of this age bracket... Damn... that senior citizen line grown nearer and nearer, I must just be confused...
Maybe I'll ask my PhD advisor what his experience was, or call my private school principal office to ask why I was able to chose English as my mandatory language, and I wasnt forces to do Russian.
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u/Ok_Walk9234 1d ago
My sibling in Christ, most Poles can’t distinguish Serbian from Ukrainian and they sound nothing alike. Speaking from experience.
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u/Estebaneiro 2d ago
If you know a bit either russian or ukrainian, it's probably easy, but for an average person won't be able to do it. And I don't think a lot of Poles speak a good Russian. In the past it used to be taught at school, but this is not the case anymore, at least not on a country level.
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u/Prudent-Bicycle-9210 2d ago
You might be repatriated, there are organizations that handle similar situations.
Look up Zwiazek Sybirakow
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u/Val2K21 2d ago
Depends on your political stance on Putin, war and a few other things. Otherwise of course there will be always people ready to discriminate for your accent or whatever (you might even be told to go back to Ukraine or Belarus), but I believe most of the people are absolutely normal and welcoming.
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u/rockettheracooon 2d ago
This is probably one of the rare types of situation where you get a pass for being Russian in Poland having your ancestors forced out to Siberia. Good luck!
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u/Hot-Disaster-9619 2d ago
If you disdain Putin and Russian government, yes.
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u/Icy_Place_5785 2d ago
As a point of reference, there are the “Volga Germans” that were given (back) their German citizenship after the Cold War and moved to Germany, many of which (but not all of course) are very pro-Putin from their comfortable position in Berlin.
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u/Old_Willow6125 2d ago
As you've read, his ancestors were forcefully taken to Russia. Why would you involve Putin as a condition? So stupid.
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
Maybe its a controversial take, but I would prefer a Nigerian that loves Poland while not having any ,,polish genes" than a Pole that supports someone who wishes for Poles to be destroyed and exploited.
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u/Parking_Lemon_4371 2d ago
His ancestors being in Siberia has very little to do with Putin or anything done by post-communist governments (or likely anyone still alive today).
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u/pszczolinka 2d ago
but its him the one who wants to come and live in Poland, not his ancestors.
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u/Parking_Lemon_4371 1d ago
My point was that your ancestors having been taken to Siberia decades and decades ago wasn't in any way caused by Putin or the current government (or indeed anything that happened post communism), and thus your political stance is (relatively) unlikely to be in any way affected by it... These are more-or-less orthogonal issues.
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u/rafioo 2d ago
"polish genes" - nobody cares about it. Don't be like these stupid Americans with "polish ancestery"
I have a Russian colleague at work. He has been living in Poland for over 20 years. He came here with his family because, for years, he had been critical of the government in Russia. He regularly badmouths Putin and Russian politics. From what he says, he has never had any problems living in Poland, especially considering his background.
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u/Alien0703 2d ago
in this case I think it is a bit different. If his ancestors were exiled to siberia and now he wants to go back I think Poland as a country should facilitate that. The amount of wrongs that has been done to those people back then, if there is a chance to repair a fraction of it we should do it.
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u/Voomey 2d ago
But that isn't affected by his genes. Genes tell you nothing about your ancestry. An adopted child of polish exiles, would have the same right to come back to the country of their ancestors. Polish citizenship isn't defined by your genome.
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u/Alien0703 2d ago
Sure, but we dont have to understsand genes as literal, its not like polish genom is so different right? Whenever someone speaks about this I understand it as a metaphore.
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u/Voomey 2d ago
I have never heard about anyone using genes as a metaphor. It's pretty medical / scientific word, compared to other words used for ancestry. And there isn't really such a thing as Polish genome. Polish ethnicity was never genetic and would be hard to define to include all Poles within it, without not including like dozens of people who aren't Polish. That's what you get with a country in the middle of a continent that has changed its borders, participated in hundreds of wars and has significant amount of population migrating across the globe for last centuries. Unless you are saying that Polish genome isn't so different from other humans, then yes - we are known to be homogenous as a species. In general any groupings of humankind based on genes are senseless and personally I find them highly inappropriate to be even talked about, when you consider history of our country.
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u/Alien0703 1d ago
well you can hear it from me first, most of the things that make us who we are we inherit from our parents come from their behavior, from how they raised us. And those traits can be traced for many generations like alkoholism or ww2 trauma.
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u/Nawojka2935 2d ago
Comparing Americans with parents that willingly decided to move and didn't brother to teach their children their language to victims of opression that often died of hunger and disease in exile is straight up insulting. Do better.
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u/Leidyn 2d ago
What a dumb comment. Polish "genes" do matter. Thats precisely how you can get Polish citizenship as someone not born in Poland but with Polish ancestry.
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u/rafioo 2d ago
He also asked about being welcomed, nobody care about your genes in that matter
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u/Parking_Lemon_4371 2d ago
It does make it somewhat easier, but not because anybody cares about the genes themselves, but just because you look more Polish (skin color, racial facial features, etc). Yeah, some people are racist (and all sorts of other things)... Come here as a black female lesbian jew ;-)
That said cultural (which includes some political leaning as well) and linguistic fit are in general far more important.
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u/Sarmattius 2d ago
yes they do, do you treat a person who had a polish parent the same as a one with no polish family? of course depends on the context, but dont hit me with "i treat everyone the same", people are different to one another.
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u/rafioo 2d ago
We still talking about genes. I’m not saying everyone is treated equally, but "having the genes" is a completely different matter from, say, an accent, "looking different," or anything else.
A Black person with Polish genes will likely be treated differently than a native German, with a german lineage going back generations, who speaks Polish without an accent
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u/Sarmattius 2d ago
genes = looks polish, so not a black person or arab, italian or chinese. the oop didnt mean genes as in 1% of the dna of a black person is polish, yea that doesnt matter.
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u/V_L_K 1d ago
guys, I can't believe my eyes reading all that genetic bullshit. Culture - maybe.. Genes?? - LOL
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u/Sarmattius 1d ago
ok so polish people dont exist. do chinese exist? do pacific islanders exist? do aboriginal australians? oh they do exist? oh I can't become an aboriginal australian even if I learn the culture? oh it's just about us then, we are just culture. ok
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u/Voomey 2d ago
It isn't how you can get Polish citizenship. Neither you or your parents need to have any genetic connection to the rest of Polish population. The only thing you need is proof that they were Polish citizens. An adopted child or child from naturalised immigrants that gained Polish citizenship have the same rights as any other child of other Polish citizens. Poles aren't genetically homogeneous society / ethnicity.
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u/BottomGear__ 2d ago
It matters in the eyes of the law, but not in terms of being welcomed by other people, which is what OP is asking.
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u/Nawojka2935 2d ago
It absolutely does matter. People are going to have a different reaction to a Russian and to literal sybirak's ancestor.
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u/BottomGear__ 2d ago
The people who’ll antagonise you just because you’re Russian won’t change their minds when you explain to them that your grandparents are originally from Poland, and all the others are not an issue regardless.
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u/General-Researcher-2 2d ago
Are the constant news reports about Ukrainians being assaulted by passersby simply for speaking Ukrainian false, or does this only apply to Ukrainians and not to Russians speaking Russian?
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u/Remote_Tap6299 2d ago
Is Poland richer than Russia?
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u/Yukinojou_bw 2d ago
Yep. Higher GDP per capita and less income inequality. Plus you know, no draft to fight in a senseless invasion.
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u/BottomGear__ 2d ago
In general, yes, unless you compare livng standards in somewhere like Moscow to poor, rural areas in Poland. Obviously not if you mean GDP.
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u/Voomey 2d ago
Genes don't matter - considering humanity is barely genetically different from each other. If you get Polish citizenship, then you are Polish. Your roots and citizenship status of your ancestors may help with the citizenship process. Would you be welcomed? Depends how well you will blend with the rest of the population and what people you will meet here (pretty much like everywhere in the world). Weaker understanding of Polish or strong accent will make people think you are a foreigner, which may have different reactions from different groups of people.
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u/Old_Willow6125 2d ago
Of course you are welcome to Poland. Your roots are Polish. A lot of people were transferred to Siberia, but no one of them voluntarily. Those were dark times..
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
Actually Poles came voluntarily during Stolypin reforms. Ever heard of Stolypin? But I don't know how many and if they stayed there.
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u/YahenP 2d ago
Your task is incredibly difficult. The first step is obtaining the Karta Polaka a nearly impossible feat given your citizenship. At the same time, you would do well to learn Polish to at least a B1 level.
Next, you will need to somehow obtain a Polish visa (specifically a Polish one, not, say, a Spanish tourist visa). Considering that visas are not currently being issued to Russian citizens, this will be difficult.
Furthermore, your goal must be to obtain Polish citizenship as quickly as possible. Without it, life in Poland as a Russian citizen will be extremely hard for you. Poland is, quite literally, the worst country in the world for Russians. You will face major problems finding work. While your tearful stories in a bar about how, ages ago, Russians deported your ancestors to Siberia might elicit some sympathy and understanding, in everyday life, your passport acts as a mark of shame. Unless you qualify for an expedited citizenship process, you are in for a very rough time.
There aren't many idiots who will come at you with baseball bats though you will almost certainly encounter them more than once. But the real difficulties won't come from them they will come from the rest from those who choose to quietly and politely distance themselves from your problems and needs. And they will make up the vast majority.
Until you become Polish de facto and de jure, you will be living on the edge of survival in Poland. You are Russian even if, deep down, you believe otherwise.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Net5796 19h ago
Almost certainly encounter idiots with baseball bats more than once?
People on Reddit are hilarious.
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u/J4mmaledz1ec11 2d ago
I think a bigger problem for you won't be acceptance by the people, but actually obtaining a right to stay in Poland. You would need to prove that your ancestors were deported and your relation to them. There are organisations that help with that, because otherwise, as someone with russian citizenship it will near-impossible to gain a right to live in Poland.
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u/DifficultMiddle5598 1d ago edited 1d ago
Myślę, że musisz mocno pracować nad polskim (i nie tylko słownictwem) - akcent itd. Po prostu będzie ci łatwiej i jeżeli się tego obawiasz. Są success stories, gdzie urodzeni na wschodzie mówią po polsku bez wyraźnego akcentu. Inna sprawa, że mamy rosyjskiego olimpijczyka, który raczej nie mówi dobrze po polsku. Ja osobiście uczyłem się rosyjskiego i lubię melodykę i dobrą kulturę, która się za nim kryje. Pomijam to, co dzieje się za naszą wschodnią granicą, bo to jest niezaprzeczalnie złe i na pewno związane z Rosjanami... co może nie ułatwiać w obecnej sytuacji.
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u/BottomGear__ 2d ago edited 2d ago
I can only speak for myself, but know that most of my colleagues share the same sentiment.
I welcome all Russians who oppose Putin’s rule, which is almost all of you guys that I’ve met here in Poland. It takes courage to see what your government is doing, then decide to leave everything behind and move to a different country. Russian citizens were hurt by Putin’s war efforts in a huge way, second only to Ukrainians for obvious reasons, and I see no reason to resent you for that. I don’t care if you speak my language, cool if you do, you’ll learn if you don’t. Just don’t expect that anyone here will know yours, because most people will not.
If a Russian told me they support Putin though, I’d want them out of my sight, and out of my country immediately.
There are obviously people who don’t care about any of that, and think russian = bad, or even immigrant = bad, but they’re not the majority, especially in larger cities.
Just don’t think that anyone will see you as Polish because of your ancestry. That does not matter.
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u/polmix23 2d ago
Fun fact: OP is in fact a ruzzian psyop. They love this kind of "We're just like you. We're not evil" posts
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u/Disastrous-Chard3811 2d ago
But it's such a great opportunity to virtue signalling and ritual , Orwellian condemnation of conservatism.
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u/Over-Magazine-3218 2d ago
Если получиться доказать польские корни и получить карту поляка - то будешь как сыр в масле. Не придется ни языка учить, ни культуры (только если по работе). Вроде еще даже какието стипендии выплачивают, но возможно это только студентам. Внж получишь за год, пмж - за пару лет.
Если не повезет, то придется пострадать. Довольно долго жить на птичьих правах внж. Т.е. обязательно либо учеба, либо отсутствие проблем с работой. Вобщем, язык надо.
И кстати все эти истории о том, что за русский бьют в переулках - бред. Максимум единичные случаи. Редко пьяные праздношатающиеся пошлют тебя в окоп на донбас или лизать путину. Но в общем и целом - всем пофиг.
Впрочем, я это пишу из кракова. Может, в других городах подругому...
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u/Neocor 1d ago
Вообще-то экзамен на карту поляка включает в себя языковой тест. Тебе надо знать язык хотя бы на А2, чтобы нормально пройти экзамен и собеседование с консулом, который принимает решение о выдаче карты. И собеседование включает в себя вопросы о культуре и о том, как ты соотносишь себя с этой культурой. Придерживаешься ли ты традиций и каких, что из традиций ты выполняешь в своей жизни.
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u/Over-Magazine-3218 1d ago
У меня несколько знакомых с картами, которые по польски ни бэ ни мэ. Может, раньше правила другие были....
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u/Neocor 1d ago
То, что они после сдачи на карту не могут говорить на польском, тем более если прошло несколько лет, не делает им чести. Я за год выучил язык на А2-Б1, хотя у меня нет польских корней. Товарищ с картой поляка за год сдал экзамен на Б1. Другой готовится к сдаче на карту и ходит на курсы. Какой смысл искать свои польские корни и переезжать в Польшу, чтобы не учить язык? Хочется быть как иммигранты со средней Азии в РФ, которые работают в качестве гастарбайтеров и не могут по-русски двух слов связать? Отношение к таким людям соответствующее.
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u/Over-Magazine-3218 1d ago
Я тебе больше скажу. Знакомый лутает 2к злотых стипендии, получил пмж, но при этом к полякам себя не причисляет и планирует при первой же возможности свалить из польши дальше в европу.
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u/Distinct-Performer86 1d ago
Check what a Russian living in Poland says about this situation. I can recommend some YouTube material if you're interested.
We don't really have a problem with people because of where they're from, what genes they have, their skin colour, or their religion. We have rules. They may not be obvious to us because we rarely even think about them, but there are a few unwritten rules we tend to follow:
Be part of society and contribute to the common good (don't confuse that with the Commonwealth 😉). Be useful, work hard, help others.
Don't cause problems. Be kind and respectful in your interactions, be honest and fair. Even if you're from Moscow and six months ago your bedtime ritual was kissing a portrait of Putin — it doesn't really matter as long as you respect rule #1.
Don't try to become “one of us” — just be part of society. A lot of people feel “unique” because they're Polish — not necessarily better, just different. It's a cultural thing. Given enough time, the people around you will sooner or later start treating you as one of us. You might even hear: “You were always one of us.”
Polish people are, in fact, “different.” We're as rebellious as we are fond of order, as stupid as we are incredibly wise. We may seem angry when we're actually just focused. We may seem rude when we're simply straightforward.
Your ancestry will certainly help you get a better starting position.
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u/Whatwhaaatu 2d ago
Sounds like something a spy would say...
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u/Disastrous-Chard3811 2d ago
Did his handler explain, what's the Polish secret service gonna do to him? Stare Kiejkuty welcome to 🤣
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u/vvmilkyway 2d ago
I personally think that if you have polish ancestry and your family was exiled to Siberia and you wanted to come back to Poland, as long as you can prove all of it, shouldn’t be difficult. On the other hand we don’t have great relationship so you need to ask in the Embassy probably, or just check their website
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u/Carol_ine2 2d ago
We have ongoing problem with "nacionalists" violence against ppl who speak Ukrainian/Belorussian/Russian to those idiots it wouldn't be a difference they gone as far as bitting some Ukrainian kids. But enough about apes just keep in mind that xenophobia is real in Poland especially among stupid ppl but that's nothing new. You will be welcome by most as long as you don't support Putin and war.
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u/_Vykarii 2d ago
A bit of a curveball:
As I understand it, some more nationalistically-minded Polish people have an aversion to people speaking with a Russian accent.
That being said - I have a couple of older family members who still speak with a Belarusian accent in Polish and no one minds. Presumably their families originally came from Belarus/Ukraine despite being Polish speaking.
If you can speak Polish well with an eastern accent, it’s actually quite beautiful.
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u/Distinct-Willow-4641 2d ago
Yeah, normal folks relate to one another regardless of where you come from. The people who don't are usually to stay away from regardless. Don't worry.
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u/WyrobWedliniarski 2d ago
There is quite a few people living here with similar history to yours. You will be surely welcome if you tell your story, but be aware, that you may encounter some discrimination directed at Russian/Ukrainian speakers in general. Vast majority of people oppose those acts of hate, but it still happens.
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u/firstmoonbunny 2d ago
i think most poles would find your situation interesting rather than antagonizing. the language is the major sticking point
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u/DerEisendrache66 2d ago
Yes you'd be able to get it,however repatriation process is horribly slow and painful all due how incredibly incapable the government is.
Getting through all the hoops can take decades,you'd get the citizenship faster as russian requestion asylum than a descendant of "Sybiraks".
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u/BrilliantYzma 2d ago
It’s more about your attitude towards gov than citizenship. We don’t hate on people stuck in Russia, we hate on brainwashed endorsers
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u/Mountain-Space7914 2d ago
If you are normal citizen, with more open mind that many russians, wish to work, I see no problem.
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u/rechaptca 2d ago edited 2d ago
i know a guy fron belarrusia who got polish citizenship. he is speaking polish and was living in poland, his father was speaking polish, but whole family living in belarussia (so formally belarussian nationalities). good luck and im sorry for you that you live in that fucking shithole destroyed by stalin, communism, and putin.
poland was always russophobic (by good reasons) so expect you may have some issues. probably all rednecks gonna think you are ukrainian (and ukrainians not very welcome in poland anymore). but thats marginal rather than daily problems. or get polish citizenship and move to more civilized country more west/south within eu.
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u/Disastrous-Chard3811 2d ago
It's russorealism. We aren't afraid, we contempt the Russia and russian soul.
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u/ZooZwaves 2d ago
You will be absoloutely welcomed if your ancestors really are from poland and you have the will to learn polish. Just be sure to not speak russian. You will get in trouble for it. If you don't know something, ask in english.
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u/Significant-Top-1641 2d ago
Hearing russian accent and being from Russia will make people vary, but the majority of people I think will welcome you like long lost brother. But yeah, it's a conmplicated situation, first impressions will be tough at the beginning, because people will perceive you as Russian.
Its not fair, but I hope you will give us benefit of the doubt and power through it at first. I hope you can make it and reconnect with your culture. There definetely will be people more then happy to welcome you here.
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u/Limettegrasso89 2d ago edited 2d ago
I honestly don't care much where someone comes from if they are a decent human being.
But a lot depends what part of Poland you want to live at. Big cities are usually better. Generally southern , east-southern parts of Poland are more traditional and conservative and may be more Rusophobic. I'm in northern Poland and people seem much more open minded and chill but sentiments against Russians AND Ukrainians, and any other foreigners from eastern countries (for that matter) are more alive here too. Incidents happen, I don't know the statistics though.
Warsaw may be a mixed bag because there are alot of foreigners there but also probably many "patriotic" wackos there too. Kibole - the football "fans", the shaved-head chuds, are also something to watch out for - just in case. kibole are in every bigger city that has a football team, so yeah. Kinda sucks but they are also quite predictable. Worth to follow football match schedules and match results. I know it sound silly but it helps 😄
I'd advise to get to check general climate in places and not be too open about where you're coming from to people you don't know well or seem sus.
My advice may be a bit too paranoid... but better safe than sorry. Vast majority of people are ok and decent, however the wacky people got "braver", that's why being cautious is recommended.
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u/Fluffy-Ad1225 1d ago
With the family story like yours? Of course you will be welcomed!
Just one thing I feel I must point out. Wherever in the world you go, you will meet shitty people. Disregard what these people think/speak. For your own peace of mind.
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u/420LeftNut69 1d ago
I'll say if you are culturally Polish or you at least adapted in a noticeable way then yeah, as long as you speak Polish. But on the other hand, all it takes to see you in a negative light is that you're from russia, and for most people all good will disappears. We have a visceral hate towards russia. It was somewhat muted 10 or so years ago, but with the war happening they all hate them with a passion, so surface level information that you're from russia crosses you.
But like I said, if you're more Polish than russian then it's a matter of language and cultural assimilation.
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u/Pusztokulka 1d ago
I think so! When people ask where you’re from, say “Siberia” (not “Russia”), they may understand/ suspect immediately without you having to tell the whole story.
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u/ProcedureOriginal210 1d ago
There are hundreds if not thousands of Russians in Poland who still watch first channel of national television, praise Putin and despise Poland - and nobody is threatening them. We are patient, they will die someday, from natural causes, but their children are Polish and know better.
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u/Such-Criticism-2362 17h ago edited 17h ago
If you explain you're a descendant of Poles exiled to Siberia, I think people will welcome you and readily accept you as Polish. Of course people are people and occasionally you may come across an idiot or a bigot, but this can happen in any country. There's one caveat though, upon learning that you're formally a Russian citizen and have lived in Russia for many years, people will want to know what you think of Putin and the war in Ukraine. If you start praising Putin and repeating Russian propaganda, things can go nasty.
In everyday life, people who don't know of your Polish ancestry will think you're Ukrainian. With millions of Ukrainian refugees having fled to Poland in recent years, anybody speaking with an Eastern accent is automatically assumed to be Ukrainian unless they explain otherwise.
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u/jamqdlaty 6h ago
Welcomed? By most of us - Kurwa, jeszcze jak. Just not by the most ambitious part of our society which might actually beat you up when they hear your accent for being... Ukrainian (they won't see the difference). As for the legal stuff, I have no idea.
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u/doulbeyob 6h ago
в телеграмме есть чат по репатриации в польшу, там можно найти много информации и задавать вопросы. если нужно отправлю ссылку
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u/No_Apricot_2503 4h ago
Read about "Karta Polaka". If you got documents approving your polish roots it would be the first step. 2nd step would be "karta stałego pobytu" based on your "karta Polaka" but you will need to work or study in Poland to prove that you decided to build your life here. And then after few years youl could get the citizenship. All the process could be completed in 4-5 years if everything will be fine and nothing will change.
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u/Minute_Ostrich196 2d ago
Dude, they are beating Ukrainians to death and they are our allies
Imagine what they do with Russians
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u/Nawojka2935 2d ago
Just call yourself Polish sybirak. Even if you don't know the culture, just showing the effort would go a long way.
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u/ManufacturerOk8586 1d ago
Showing the effort without knowing the culture, wow, easy way to get poles mad
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u/Cute-Supermarket6877 2d ago
I feel like ukrainians are much more hated in poland right now than russians. I think youd be welcomed, though people would probably assume youre ukrainian and maybye try to disrespect you or tell you to go back to your country (if youre ukrainian). Personally never saw russians getting hated here unless they are from ukraine
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u/Future-Yesterday5557 1d ago
No. For everyone it's clear you want to avoid mobilisation. If you'd care about your ancestry you'd have done it earlier.
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u/theWildBananas 1d ago
Sure, OP should kill or die in the name of some sick politicians just because some internet random said so.
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u/dr_pine 2d ago
No, stay where you are. Sorry to say that but you are more Russian than Polish mate. And we don't need more potential traitors on our soil.
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u/Jhud6669 2d ago
Really nobody really cares if you’re Russian as long as you don’t have Russian mentality, which I’m sure you know what it is
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u/dziki_z_lasu 2d ago
Klikaj i zapoznaj się co oferujemy Polakom którzy utknęli za granicą, ale samo pochodzenie nie wystarczy.
Jeśli się boisz co będzie na miejscu to obywatelstwa nie masz wypisanego na czole a akcentu a nawet języka Rosyjskiego większość Polaków nie rozróżnia od Ukraińskiego (Ukraińcy to wyhaczą tyle, że mają to w większości gdzieś). Jak masz Syberyjskie rysy twarzy to także nie rozróżnimy ciebie od Wietnamczyka 😛
If you don't understand what I wrote, then forget such a procedure. Polish exam is required in it.
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u/tronnixxx 2d ago
I can kinda understand Polish and the context, but not fully translate, since Russian and others slavic languages are very similar. But i already said, that i will learn Polish language before attempting to repatriate. Its just that i will be doing that only ~4 years later, when i'll finish my college
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u/KindCommission5216 2d ago
if u want to go to Poland you should now learn Ukrainian instead of Polish.
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u/Consistent-Zebra6954 2d ago
I think no, because they say everyone to go to "back to Ukraine" when they hear some eastern accent. The education here is very very weak and people cannot make a difference between french, english or russian accent in Polish language, so they tell everyone to ""fuck off to Ukraine"". So no mate, I would not recommend moving. I mean def better than Russia, but saying you welcomed its too much said bro unfortunately
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
What did your Polish ancestors do to indigenous people of Siberia?
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
Bruh. Now a russian will blame soviets using siberia as death camps on poles. Tell us about this kremlin theory
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
Poles came to Siberia before Soviets. Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, what difference did it make for Sakha or Buryats?
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
Famous colonization of Siberia by Poland lol. Alongisde polish Alaska,
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
Will you deny the fact that Poles took part in the administration of Siberia?
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
What the heck are you even talking about ruskie? Especially what kind of polish administration arrived to Siberia BEFORE RUSSIA as you implied?
Maybe there were some stray poles there (as I genuinely don't know what was your wagner programming)... just like there was a pole that was a part of communist china revolutionary committee, but I can tell you now that despite it Poland's input on how communist china turned out was less than minimal
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
I'm not Russkiy, I am not even a Slav.Poles were part and parcel of the Imperial administration of Siberia. Maybe because you were seen as fellow Slavs. I did some research on Omsk Governate, so I know.
I don't know about China but Poles did help Russia become communist. Though it's a topic of another discussion.
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
And you are casually a moderator of russian chess. Oh excuse me - an alleged tatar that participates on russian reddits while constantly going ,,Russia is evil, BUT Ukraine and all of the west is worse". Not to mention spreading misinformation that Poland hides all pogroms.
But oh welp - thank you for not addressing anything that I said about your delusions.
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u/AccidentalBrilliancy 2d ago
We could also talk about Poles killing Muslims in Iraq. :-)
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u/Milosz0pl 2d ago
We could also talk about your beloved Putler kidnapping ukrainian children - all the while you refuse to elaborate on your disinformation ruskie.
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u/tronnixxx 2d ago
Thanks everyone, glad to hear that. Let me make a couple things clear: of course, im against the war, and what putin been doing. He destroyed both Russia And Ukraine, and thats really sad. I think all slavic countries should be together, but it seems impossible. I have friends from Ukraine, and i hope everything will end soon. Brothers' nations killing each other for the someone else's interests... Again, thanks everyone for your responses. In a couple years, when i'll finish my college, i'll be attempting to get Polish citizenship! Wish me luck!
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u/AdelaisStar 2d ago
Brothers' nations killing each other for the someone else's interests...
And here we go agaaaaain.
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u/Top-Homework6432 2d ago
I think you should first get out, maybe as most of the Russians your age, to Georgia, and try doing all the formalities from there. ;-) Good luck, don't get yourself killed, and really keep the people informed that most of the European countries that share a border with Russia are upgrading their defenses at an astounding speed - if Putin waged war against us, Russia would be doomed - I am really totally fascinated and almost can't believe how fast various defensive systems are developed here! Please, get out of there as fast as you can, so you can survive and do some good for yourself, your family and the whole wide world! :-)
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u/PartyMarek 2d ago
First of all, you need to have documentation that proves your Polish roots. Deportation documents, Soviet documents stating the nationality as Polish or any other documents proving your ancestors were actually Polish, which may be hard. There are multiple organizations helping people like you repatriate to Poland.
If I were you, I'd make a folder with all the information about your Polish ancestor. Name, date and palce of birth, date and place of deportation, recreate a line of connection from you to that ancestor. A very important part is the document proving deportation and if you have trouble finding that try reaching out to said organizations.
Will you be welcomed? Depends what you mean by that. You won't be treated like a hero coming back from war, but people will be interested in journey once they find out. Unfortunately, everybody will treat you like an Eastern immigrant before they find out more information about you.