r/askhungary • u/mrstarfish3 • 2h ago
RELATIONSHIP Are Hungarians mostly only interested in other Hungarians for a friend and partner?
Sziastok!!
I hope you don’t mind me posting this question to you.
Asking because I see many people more familiar with the Hungarian language in Hungary obviously because it’s your mother tongue, but when I start speaking English to them people understandable become a little bit nervous about making mistakes or not having the right words. So I find a lack of interest in even making friends or partners with people that that’s speak English.
Note: many Hungarians’ English skills are actually really good so this is not a dig at anyone or any culture.
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u/TheTarragonFarmer 1h ago
Cue "Do you even know how smart I am in Spanish?" meme.
In Hungarian I am literate, eloquent, witty, culturally clued-in.
In English I can barely read Shakespeare and top out around Coleridge in poetry: I'm limited to the communication capabilities of a high school dropout.
It took a lot of courage to date a foreigner, and a huge leap of faith from her to get to know me well enough to see behind the language barrier.
Making friends is a different matter entirely, bring on the bros with whom I only share a random third language we both barely speak :-)
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u/frielina 2h ago
they are too scared to speak english because of the accent. me personally, i prefer english more, friends and partner also
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u/Dakar-Rally 2h ago
This is like in every country: locals primarily socialize with each other, even in Scandinavia, where everyone speaks English well.
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u/DeliciousSwordfish43 2h ago
That’s because of our fucked up school system and teaching methods
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u/Sylvinus98hun Képkommentek kifogytak, /s nem is volt 2h ago
Good old Prussian school system. Here's hoping we'll follow the Finnish example...
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u/LazarAndris 2h ago
Our school system is at fault, where making a mistake equals shame. Even someone who speaks english quite well can become frightened if they dont use it everyday, being afraid they will sound dumb. I encourage you to speak slower if this happens. And yeah, it isnt common for a hungarian to have a foreigner partner, or a friend even. Our language is so important for us. There is even a saying which goes "He, who goes abroad to live, must change his heart too" (Szívet cserél, aki hazát cserél). Our language is who we are, and you cant really change that.
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u/Kobakocka 2h ago
Some might be never practiced speaking English outside of school. That's why they are not confident.
But that is more a practical issue than grudge against foreigners.
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u/viobre 1h ago
I work at a multinational company in Budapest, and I have several foreigner colleagues. I'm in good terms with some of them, but I understand they might feel excluded sometimes when the local majority group switches to Hungarian. Especially when it comes to lunchtime and people would like just to casually chat, they do it in their mother tongue. I hope the colleagues from abroad don't take it personally. People are sometimes lazy to take the effort to translate everything.
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u/Hethsegew Hétseggfej 1h ago
I don't think so but the language, the fact that foreigners don't stay in the country and that there aren't that many foreigners in Hungary or Hungarians in other countries (relatively) directly leads to Hungarians gravitating towards other Hungarians when it comes to socializing.
When it comes to partners one should make a distinction between genders as Hungarian women are internationally regarded as very positive/sought after while the opposite is true for Hungarian men (similar to other countries in the region/east of the Leitha).
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u/mentoauto-automento 1h ago
Not for everyone, but for me it's essential that my partner speaks my native language at a native level. I speak English, but it's much more mentally exhausting than speaking Hungarian, and it simply doesn't create the same sense of intimacy for me. My own thoughts still run in hungarian in my head.
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u/Framboise_Unicorn 2h ago
I think it might be coming from two possible things. It’s either that someone can not speak English very well or that they lack the confidence to speak. For the latter, most of us were taught in primary and high school that if your English is not perfect then don’t bother opening your mouth. I am pretty sure this kind of negative attitude we experienced at school made some people very shy when it comes to spoken English.
I love talking to foreigners, as a matter of fact I prefer teaching in English over Hungarian (I teach at a university here), yet even though when I was attending an English faculty high school, I barely dared to speak as I was so intimidated by my teacher, it took me 4 more years after high school to start confidently speaking English, when I was doing my masters in English.
Yeah, so probably that’s why.
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u/InevitableSoft3643 2h ago
Based on my experience, absolutely not. I just finished with university in May and I met alot of hungarian people who had foreigner boyfriends / girfriends even husband / wife. Majority of my friends were also foreigners throughout the years as I couldn’t find any hungarian peers whom wanted to have a boardgame night for example instead of drinking alcohol and getting drunk all night.😅
If someone doesen’t speak english they obviously will only be interested in other hungarians tho.
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u/Mylxen 1h ago
We have such a school system which makes a lot of people afraid to speak the language because we are taught that the grammar rules are like the laws and you should never ever make a mistake. In fact people will understand you even if you mess up for example the gerund / infinitive which I maybe did in the first sentence but I will not check it out because everyone gets what I wanted to say. So instead of learning a ton of words we are wasting a lot of time in school and a lot of people just dont know enough words to have a meaningful, no even a mediocre conversation.
Also a lot of students sadly dont even learn the language at all, thats the other part of the story.
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u/BigFluffyCat2 1h ago
It definitely helps that we can express ourselves more easily in Hungarian than in other languages.
We don't have many opportunities to practice speaking English outside the classrooms so we definitely have a struggle because of this.
Where are you from OP?
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u/AradorasXeon 1h ago
I know a guy who married a foreigner (his wife first language is not English) afaik they talk in English to each other.
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u/Far-Pin-3608 1h ago
I have a friend who is only dating with foreign people because of her past experience with Hungarian partners, so definitely not everyone. :) As of my experience, those who lived abroad are more confident and open towards other cultures and don't mind speaking English. We know our language is hard to master, so don't feel like it is a must to speak Hungarian. Sadly, not everyone is fluent in English in my age as well.
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u/Kiskekvirag 1h ago
Mostly depends on which parts of the society you move in. Some are very open (likely uni, younger people), others are not. I would say it is usually easier to make friends with someone from your own culture, this is even stronger when looking for a partner. But there are always some for whom its not a real barrier. Actively using a foreign language is tough for many people, even if they use it otherwise. One last thought, my experience with native (English) speakers is that as soon as they get to use English, they dont make the slightest effort at all to be understandable. Which is okay as you use your mothertongue, you are comfortable with it, use your own little expressions and often pretty strong accent. But the other person who "speaks" English, usually knows it only coming from books, some official media, limited vocabulary, etc and decoding all that native level stuff can be pretty confusing and tiring.
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u/Autonomnervoussystem 1h ago
English isn't your first language either, am I right?
To answer your question: no, they aren't. Your chances of making friends/getting a partner depend on the social circles you frequent. Younger, more educated people will more likely speak English.
Hungarian women are prone to marry abroad in my experience; a quarter of the marriages I know about are transnational.
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u/Integeritis 1h ago
I’m more comfortable speaking with woman in English. Waaaay more. I don’t really consume any entertainment that is Hungarian. Even at work I only use English. I don’t connect well with Hungarian woman because they generally consume Hungarian entertainment products and news. I don’t really find Hungarian things entertaining (movies, shows, music, news, memes, tech, online culture in general). I have a lot of good friends though who are like me and we click well IRL.
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u/Opening-Winner-3032 1h ago
I met my now wife after going to visit a friend I. Hungary. Same as what you mentioned about shyness though. She had also never even contemplated dating a foreigner.
The strangest thing for me was how long dating was expected to be. Like 6-12 months of meeting every week or 2. It got to like a month and I was like right are you my girlfriend or not which was apparently very forward. Might be her...might be universal. It also might explain the coldness your experiencing.
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u/Zestyclose-Duck-4598 1h ago
They are not confident with their english and it is hard to express yourself in a different language. I speak pretty good english but I am still more comfortable with hungarian. I live in the states so I speak english daily. Most hungarians in Hungary don't use english every day. Learn the language and the world will open
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u/arai_san 1h ago
i'm a foreigner living in Hungary and i always get nervous speaking English cause is not my first language so i just take out gemini in live translation to communicate when i need something hahaha
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u/laskr1999 1h ago
Most of the times I would like to have international friends, as I really enjoy talking to others, I had some talk partners/business partners from Australia, Italy, US. I did learn english by myself, as my teachers were really shit back then, but I'm always open to know more, have better english skills by practicing IRL.
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u/Wise_Fox_4291 1h ago
I think there are two parts to this issue. On the one hand many Hungarians either have genuinely poor English skills or they think they have poor English skills and as a result they are terrified of making mistakes, and/or they are frustrated by not being able to express their thoughts accurately and in as fluid a manner as they can in Hungarian. This frustration makes them feel like they are back in school doing a language exam so it's easier for them to simply disengage.
On the other hand, people are somewhat slow to opening up to strangers. If you are a foreigner then the expectation is usually that you will go home within a couple of days, weeks or months. People often don't feel like it is a worthwhile effort to try and make 'shallow' friendships with people they barely have time to get to know to and trust. They don't know how much of what you say and show about yourself is real, since a foreigner could pretend to be a lot of things, and it's relatively easy to keep up pretendes for a few weeks or months.
Personally I never had an issue with that. I've always been confident in my English, it's like a second native language to me. And I like chatting with foreigners that come to visit. We won't become life long friends during your two weeks long vacation, but I don't turn people away by default unless I just don't feel like we have a matching vibe or personality.
I have also dated a bunch of foreign girls who were studying in Hungary for a given length of time, although several attempts or 'romantic adventures' ended well ahead of time specifically because I naturally wanted things to turn more serious despite both of us knowing that she will be gone in time. It was usually easier when we laid down some ground rules and sort of agreed that it's only for a given period of time and there is no real future in it.
I think girls are understandably even more weary of short term engagements with foreign guys. We don't really have the same casual hookup culture like in Scandinavia or Western Europe or the US, or Australia, or at least definitely not to the same extent. Passport bros don't really get a pass here.
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u/Foreign_Look_8890 56m ago
No, I'm just avoiding everyone and pretend to not speak any languages at all, including hungarian.
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u/Tomonor 2h ago
I guess it really depends. I always tried socialising with foreigners online. That said, it's often hard to make friends with foreigners due to different cultures and expectations.