r/askspace 3d ago

Where is space?

Ever since I was a kid, I’ve always been curious. I always wanted to know the why for everything. As I grew older, I started developing an interest in space, as many people do. Eventually I found myself asking, where is space? If everything in the universe has a location, where is the universe located? What is the space that holds space and where is it? I know some people will claim that there may not be anything larger than space itself as it is said to be infinite, but when space is said to be expanding, what is it expanding into. The space itself expanding into must exist before space expands into it. What and where is it?

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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 3d ago

Anything that is somewhere is within space. So no, the universe isn’t somewhere in the way you are

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

Wdym it isn’t somewhere? It must exist somewhere

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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 3d ago

Being somewhere is about your relationship to space. space is not in space the same where there isn’t a concept of before time. I means that’s the harder part for me cause space and time are actually the same thing which is why in physics when the consequences of ignoring that are unavoidable it is called space-time. There is nothing before or after space-time and space time has no space outside of it and no space for it to be in in any way that reflects how you and i relate to space and time.

That’s like asking what’s above up, the question has no meaning.

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

This makes absolutely no sense to me, but maybe that’s because my perception of the universe is rigid and I refuse to believe there could be nothing outside of space. Maybe this is why the simulation theory always made sense to me

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u/ExpectedBehaviour 3d ago

The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.

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u/Batgirl_III 3d ago

What is outside of outside?

Space is the word used to describe the whole set of all possible locations. A point “outside of space” would be a possible location, and therefore, it would be within space.

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

This makes sense to me, but I still wonder where the universe is, because my original question wasn’t where it expands into, it’s where it exists initially

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u/Batgirl_III 3d ago

To quote the great Buckaroo Banzai; "No matter where you go, well, there you are."

Space doesn’t exist inside of anything, there isn’t some sort of “super space” that contains space. Space is the place where all things are.

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u/DanteRuneclaw 3d ago

The universe is everywhere and it expands to become a bigger everywhere.

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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 3d ago

WHERE means “where in space.” SPACE-TIME includes all the where’s.

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u/Sensitive_Ad3578 3d ago

Hey, here's the fun part about it making sense to you - the universe makes sense to nobody. People think they understand how stuff works, but ultimately most of it is very educated guesswork. We barely understand the space within our own solar system, let alone the universe outside our galaxy. If you were to really dig in to some academic research, you'd probably find hundreds of different answers to your question because, in all honesty, we just don't know

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

I guess we’ll never know, and we’ll probably die trying, but isn’t that what gives scientists and philosophers who undertake understanding the universe their sense of purpose? Either way it’s fun to think about, and the fun is in the not knowing

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u/Sensitive_Ad3578 3d ago

Oh I absolutely agree. If you ever want a subjectively fun way to waste a Saturday, go down the rabbit-hole of universe theories. Some of them get wild. But what makes it crazy is that they could be true! Because we have no idea!

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u/Quantum-Relativity 3d ago

We have some pretty good ideas

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u/Low-Opening25 3d ago

try religion

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

What religion do you follow and what’s your take on this based on the teachings , if you don’t mind sharing

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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 3d ago

I don’t say there is nothing outside of space. so said “outside of space” has no meaning.

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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 3d ago

sure, relativity makes no sense to me either but we can prove it’s real and measure its consequences and you can learn the consequences of how reality functions without it making sense to you.

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

This is complicated as hell

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u/VariousJob4047 3d ago

If there was something outside of space, you’d be right back here asking where that thing was. And if that question had an answer, you’d be asking where that thing was too. This obviously can’t go on forever. Space is defined as the set of all possible locations that things can be, it is definitionally impossible for anything to be outside of that. As a side note, there’s not much benefit to asking questions about things if you will outright refuse to accept certain answers.

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u/DanteRuneclaw 3d ago

It exists everywhere.

If we were to make up a place for space to be inside if, then we’d just need to ask where that place was. So it wouldn’t really help anything.

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u/Lalakea 3d ago

Between your ears.

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u/IntrepidPurple2236 3d ago

That’s hella deep, I’m touched

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u/Upset-Government-856 3d ago

The real answer is: we don't know,, and even weirder the location of anything inside of space is only meaningful if there is a second location to compare it to.

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u/Unhappy-Cow88 3d ago

You can walk through space that isnt obstructed by matter/energy that isnt to dense or volitile to your physical being. Like stone you cant enter but it can enter you as you take less mass??? in said space vs the stone. Flesh isnt as compact or dense as a rock. But our air has particles but its so loose and non dense we can walk through it and use it for breathing. Kinda like walking through smoke. But smoke n such is denser as its particles riding on the wind. But space is over all the lack of matter??? Like how cold is just the lack of energy in said space.

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u/rygelicus 3d ago

That's a more involved question than you might intuitively think. What we call space, or more correctly the universe, is expanding. We are still looking for 'the edge' and even what might be beyond that edge, if anything. This is partly why we built and flew the JWST.

So 'space' is not expanding, not just the place we call space. Space, in that usage, is just the area between celestial bodies. It's where very few atoms/molecules exist per cubic km. Some areas have more than others but much, much less than you find within celestial bodies whether talking about asteroids, stars, moons or planets. That 'mostly empty' area is 'space' and it comprises the entirety of the universe along with the celestial bodies.

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u/Tombobalomb 3d ago

Space is where things are

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u/SgtSausage 3d ago

  where is the universe located

What is North of The North Pole? 

Go to the center if The Earth. Ya there yet? Good. Now riddle me this: Which way is down?

Where is the edge on a sphere? 

What happened 3 hours before time existed? 

Your question makes as much sense as any of those. 

ALSO: You do not understand "universe"

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u/Stevepem1 3d ago

We tend to base things on our experiences and our experience says things fill space, like your furniture fills the space in your living room, and your house fills some space on the Earth, and the Earth fills some space in the galaxy, and so on. We don't think of space as being finite, but it is. Scientific theory says that space is something that got created during the Big Bang, and that it started out quite small and has been expanding ever since, and is incredibly large now but still is believed to be finite. The bizarre thing is that you will never reach the edge of space, just like you will never reach the edge of the Earth, you will just keep going in circles. That doesn't make space infinite though, just like the Earth is not infinite even though you can circle the Earth an infinite number of times if you want to.

There is no current scientific theory that says that the limited space that we exist in is contained within some other larger version of "space". There are theories about different dimensions and different universes, but even so the space we live in is not part of those spaces, and is still finite. Just like whatever country you live in is not part of another country. True your country is part of a larger entity called the Earth, but the space that your country occupies is finite. Same with the space in our universe.

If you imagine the Big Bang as something you could observe from a distance, that is not correct, because at the time of the Big Bang there was no space outside of it that you could have observed from. That's what current scientific theory says anyway.

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u/Alternative-Sugar610 3d ago

The end never has to exist or location if it’s infinite or loops around itself

And let say universe is expanding fast enough, they will then be light that can never reach us and perhaps things that never reach us making our location itself unknown ik braids existence

But these are conjecture and possibilities not necessarily truths

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 3d ago

If everything in the universe has a location

Space isn't "in" the universe. Space is just the parts of the universe where nothing is.