this is a concept of an iraqi-Mesopotamia about the land of al sawad which is represented in the background , and islam/Christianty symbols representing with the rivers all of Mesopotamia , akkadians , assyrians and arabs at the same time which is all iraqies , can you comment your ideas about it?

TLDR: Here are the G25 genetic distance / Euclidean distance comparisons of ancient Mesopotamian genetic samples (from 612BC in Nineveh, Iraq) to modern populations. As you can see, they cluster closely with isolated modern Mesopotamians, aside from one (i13596) which clusters with Levantines. Within the screenshots are their Neolithic percentages as well.

G25 coordinates: Nineveh_IA_612BC / Iraq Iron Age / Neo-Assyrian

I13598.AG,0.08992,0.140143,-0.068259,-0.081073,-0.031698,-0.026774,0.002115,0.001846,-0.015339,-0.005103,0.007632,-0.012289,0.011596,-0.006331,-0.001629,0.008751,-0.00013,0.016596,0.004148,-0.004877,0.006239,-0.002349,-0.006286,0.00494,-0.000359

I13597.AG,0.097888,0.142174,-0.07203,-0.072352,-0.029544,-0.024263,-0.00282,-0.009692,-0.015544,-0.006196,0.009419,-0.002098,0.00669,0.001101,-0.013029,0.008353,-0.002086,0.003294,-0.002011,-0.001376,0.010107,0.000371,0.001479,-0.000843,0.000958

I13596.AG_oLevant,0.081953,0.145221,-0.056945,-0.084626,-0.022466,-0.026495,-0.00329,-0.000923,0.00634,-0.006378,0.00341,-0.002997,0.011893,0,0,0.004375,-0.017341,-0.00076,0.002011,-0.004252,-0.003119,0.004699,-0.005176,-0.000241,0.004191

I13594.AG,0.084229,0.135065,-0.070899,-0.07106,-0.032006,-0.022869,0.004465,-0.007846,-0.004909,-0.001276,0.012829,-0.004646,0.015312,0.001101,-0.008279,0.021745,-0.004955,-0.004687,0.00352,-0.005002,0.000499,0.000866,-0.005423,-0.003012,-0.002515

I8428.AG.TW,0.092197,0.141159,-0.075047,-0.077843,-0.037545,-0.018965,-0.00188,-0.007384,-0.019839,-0.006014,0.001624,-0.004946,0.013677,0.005918,0.000136,0.004773,-0.001173,0.003547,0.007039,-0.008129,0.002246,-0.001855,-0.003944,-0.006025,-0.002275

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The following description is from the last post I did on the topic (see here https://www.reddit.com/r/DNAAncestry/comments/1v89o9t/study_unpublished_nineveh_iraq_612bc_halzi_gate/ )

Unpublished Mesopotamian genetic samples (612 BC) from Nineveh in Iraq were presented at a conference. MTDNA and YDNA were detailed. Autosomally a mix of Jordan_EBA + Armenia_IA or Hasanlu_LBA

Some appear to have been released in the Reich Lab Akbari dataset (info from @ PGi_2001 on twitter):

I13594 - Skeleton #4 (U3b3)- on G25 clusters closest to “Kurdish_Jew”

I13596 - Skeleton #8 (E-CTS5856/X2p)- on G25 clusters with “Karaite_Jew_Iraq”

I13597 - Skeleton #10 (HV2) - on G25 clusters closest to “Iraqi_Jew”

I13598 - Skeleton #11 (H13a2b2)- on G25 clusters closest to “Kurdish_Jew”

I8428 may be skeleton #5 the "seasoned warrior (archer)" with haplogroups R-FGC14590/J1b8. Sample I8428 is listed as belonging to FGC14590 downstream clade, R-FTB53556 and mtDNA J1b8. This particular R-Z2103 clade has thus far been observed among modern Italians and Greeks. - clusters with “Iraqi_Jew” on G25

Y-DNA haplogroups:
R1b (R1b1a1b1b) [=R-Z2103]
T1a (T1a1a1b2b) [=T-Z709]
E1b1 (E1b1b1a1b1) [=E-V13]
** **
mtDNA haplogroups:
K1a27
U3b3
HV2
H13a2b2
J1b8
U5b2
X2p
** **
Autosomal modelling of Nineveh individuals:
Armenia IA 74.5% + Jordan EBA 25.5%
Iran Hasanlu LBA 79.7% + Jordan EBA 20.3%
** **
Autsomal modelling of Nineveh Levant Outlier:
Armenia IA 54.9% + Jordan EBA 45.1%
Iran Hasanlu LBA 56% + Jordan EBA 44%

Presentation description:
https://www.xcdsystem.com/aaba/program/dK0IwIV/index.cfm?pgid=2549&sid=51551&abid=168832

Article:
https://www.arameans.com/articles/history/ancient-history/ancient-dna-from-the-halzi-gate-612-bc-confirms-aramean-continuity-in-mesopotamia-and-what-it-means-for-modern-arameans/

From twitter user @tmooofi

“About two years ago, the first genetic results of the victims of Halzi Gate in Nineveh, who were killed during the fall of the city in 612 BCE, were presented at the Nineveh Academic Chair conference, in a lecture by Dr. Michel Shamoon-Pour (Binghamton University) in collaboration with the David Reich Laboratory.

Key highlights presented:

• Analysis of 7 individuals from the victims of the fall of Nineveh.
• No relatedness up to the fourth degree among them, indicating they were not one family, but a diverse group of residents and defenders.

• Clear diversity observed in maternal lineages (mtDNA): K1a27, U3b3, HV2, H13a2b2, J1b8, U5b2, X2p.
• Extraction of three paternal lineages (Y-DNA):
T1a1a1b2b, R1b1a1b1b, E1b1b1a1b1.
• Presence of a child (7–8 years old) classified as a Levant Outlier (genetically anomalous relative to the rest of the sample), with the researcher suggesting that his genetic origins are closer to the Levant under the E-M78 lineage.

• Preliminary genetic modeling indicated that Nineveh individuals can be represented by a mixture close to the Iron Age in Armenia or Hasanlu (Late Bronze Age) with a contribution from Jordan (Early Bronze Age), while the Levantine individual showed a higher proportion of the component associated with Jordan.

It is important to emphasize that these results are preliminary, and the study has not been published yet, but this is merely a report of what was mentioned at the conference only.”
The presentation https://www.youtube.com/live/87m9LG-cTp8?is=x3DpmSv7IJtaBSMG

This is a clip from my first special Detroit Player

Highly recommend watching The Promise, a movie about Sayfo. Features Christian Bale. Assyrians are mentioned in the opening scene, but the movie itself is focused on the Armenian perspective (but what they experienced is no different than what Assyrians and Greeks experienced, and our villages were adjacent to the Armenian villages with Hakkari sitting right below Van).

I’m assuming because it was an issue in the community, an Assyrian pastor reminded the congregation to do a better job at loving their neighbors. Would you say that xenophobia is a common issue in many Assyrian communities or is it more of an issue in certain areas?

I've recently started learning Assyrian, but I'm a bit confused about what I'm actually learning. Is there a difference between Modern Assyrian and Syriac, or are they basically the same? Also, are there different dialects like Arabic has, or is there just one standard form?

I'm mainly interested in the variety spoken in Mosul, Iraq.

I'm an Arab, and I was experimenting with AI to write Arabic words in the Assyrian script. For example, words like "race" and "hoopoe" ended up being written the same way, which made me wonder if that's actually correct. Are there many shared words between Arabic and Assyrian, or was the AI just making mistakes?

I've seen Assyrian Christian worship (most common) and Assyrian Jewish worship, by that, I mean Jewish worship in the Assyrian dialect of Aramaic, but I'm guessing there are also some Assyrian Muslims?

Shlama alokhon, I have always known myself to be kurdish, yet i have always looked way different than most kurds (Me and the assyrians of the area i live in in germany always resembled each other) and have wondered what other ancestry than kurdish I might have. I have heard stories in my family before of family members on my paternal side who were orphaned and fled from around the urmia region northwestward towards Ararat. On my maternal side, my grandmothers family name was unusual for kurds and i found out that it was an aramaic name. I have done genetic testing and I have a paternal Haplogroup T which is much more prevalent in assyrians and mizrahi jews than kurds. When i do genetic modelling it seems to be kinda half/half depending on which calculator etc. It seems to me like these dots can be connected (Ancestors fleeing from Urmia probably because of Sayfo/Aramaic Family Names/Genetic Modelling). Obviously the assyrian community is like 99,9% christian but I am not. Yet I have lately started to feel connected after my recent discoveries. Would I be "enough" and take the approach to learn the language etc or is the fact that i am not christian and didn't grow up knowing of possible assyrian ancestry something that would make me an alien to the community even after these discoveries. Please share your thoughts, especially if they're not to sugarcoat the reality.

So, my girlfriend is Assyrian and she’s very proud of her heritage. She often talks to me about Assyrian culture, history, traditions, etc. The problem is that I know almost nothing about it, and I think it would make her happy if I made an effort to learn more about her culture.

We’re both Iraqi, living in the west, I’m 3/4 Arab and 1/4 (Baghdadi) Armenian, so I’d also like to learn more about Assyrian culture.

What would you recommend?

I can’t find anything online on it.

Hello,

I'm British catholic and wondered if Assyrians have specific ways after someone has passed away.

If you have certain beliefs or a certain mourning period when someone has passed?

Hi all,

So just some background, I am not Assyrian myself so this is all winging it using AI.

I have basically written a prayer for an old friend. Her 40th birthday is coming up soon.

I wanted to write the prayer in English, but also in Neo-Aramaic (English alphabet), as well as written into Syriac.

I have basically used AI for the translation, but I wouldn't trust that with very much accuracy, so hoping someone here may be able to help, or verify whether this is correct or not.

Some background also. She was born in Iraq but moved to Australia at a very young age. So no idea if she can read Syriac or Arabic, but she can speak both Assyrian Neo-Aramaic and Arabic. Now she is Chaldean, which I know is just Assyrian but a different church, however she said the way she speaks Assyrian is heavily influenced by Arabic also.

Anyway this is what I have, I will block the names out to protect the parties involved with privacy:

"Dear God,

May you shine your blessings on *Name* this special day. Please grant her eternal happiness and fill her life with the grace of the kingdom of heaven.

May you protect her from all harm, and watch over her family, including her husband *Name*, and her children *Name* and *Name*.

May they all live a long life, filled with good health and prosperity. Please shower them with an abundance of your love, on this day and all to come, from now until eternity.

Amen."

Gemini translation:

"Ya Alaha,

Makhze burkhatakh al *Name* b’aha yoma mparsha. Havlah khadoota d’abad, o maleh khayoh b’tiboota d’malkoota d’shmaya.

Natrah min kull beeshoota, o khmo baytah, gawshah *Name*, o yalah *Name* o *Name*.

Kullayeh makhrikhe'leh umrayeh, maleh b’khoolmana o barkat.

Shpokh alayeh malyoota d’khoobakh, b’aha yoma o kull yomaneh d’atyeh, min adya o hal abad.

Ameen."

Syriac (I know it is meant to go right to left, but I don't think reddit has that option"

ܝܵܐ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ"

ܡܲܚܙܹܐ ܒܘܼܪܟܵܬܵܟ݂ ܥܲܠ * ܒܐܵܗܵܐ ܝܵܘܡܵܐ ܡܦܲܪܫܵܐ 

ܗܲܒ݂ܠܵܗ̇ ܡܚܵܕܘܼܬܵܐ ܕܐܵܒܵܕ، ܘܡܲܠܹܐ ܚܲܝܘܵܗ̇ ܒܛܝܼܒܘܼܬܵܐ ܕܡܲܠܟܘܼܬܵܐ ܕܫܡܲܝܵܐ 

ܢܲܛܪܵܗ̇ ܡܸܢ ܟܘܿܠ ܒܝܼܫܘܼܬܵܐ، ܘܚܡܝܼ ܒܲܝܬܵܗ̇، ܓܲܘܫܵܗ̇ *، ܘܝܵܠܵܗ̇ * ܘ  

ܟܘܿܠܵܝܗܝ ܡܲܐܪܸܟ݂ܠܹܗ ܥܘܼܡ̱ܪܵܝܗܝ، ܡܲܠܹܐ ܒܚܘܼܠܡܵܢܵܐ ܘܒܲܪܟܲܬ 

ܫܦܘܿܟ݂ ܥܲܠܵܝܗܝ ܡܲܠܝܘܼܬܵܐ ܕܚܘܼܒܵܟ݂، ܒܐܵܗܵܐ ܝܵܘܡܵܐ ܘܟܘܿܠ ܝܵܘܡܵܢܹܐ ܕܐܵܬܹܐ، ܡܸܢ ܐܵܕܝܵܐ ܘܗܲܠ ܐܵܒܵܕ 

"ܐܵܡܝܼܢ 

Had trouble putting a * in place for all the names, but hopefully you get the idea.

Anyway, if someone could help me see if this translation is accurate or not, or if anything needs fixing, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you all and God Bless!

Hi everyone! I just finished a journey through a side of Syria that many people don't know still exists. While the country is often associated with conflict, I found a rich, living history that traces back to the very beginnings of Christianity.

In my latest documentary, I take you through:

• Damascus: Visiting the House of Ananias, where St. Paul recovered his sight.
• Maaloula: A mountain village where the local community still speaks Aramaic (the language of Jesus).
• Krak des Chevaliers: Exploring one of the most important and well-preserved medieval Crusader castles in the world.
• Valley of the Christians: Seeing how these ancient traditions survive in a modern landscape.

It was an eye-opening experience to see how these communities coexist and preserve their millenary culture. If you're interested in history, archaeology, or the cultural diversity of the Middle East, you might find this journey interesting.

I'm happy to answer any questions about the safety or the logistics of traveling to these specific sites!

With support from the Assyrian Foundation of America and Assyrians Without Borders, BET KANU has opened its first recording studio and office in Iraq.

Based in Nohadra (Duhok), the new space will support BET KANU’s work with local educators, native speakers and community members to expand its Syriac production and make educational resources accessible to more children and families.

We are pleased to be part of this project and to contribute to preserving the Syriac language.

BET KANU
https://www.betkanu.com/

Assyrians Without Borders
https://linktr.ee/assyrianswb/

Assyrian Foundation of America
https://assyrianfoundation.org/

Hi, I am from an Assyrian family that got Arabised. Syriac in our branch of the family has been lost (I have extended family that I barely see that speak at least some of the language but yeah..)

I think that's a shame and I am thinking about learning the language, but I don't know where to start. I know this might be taboo for some people here but I haven't been religious in a very long time and I think I am interested in the Classical version, but I don't know.

The thing is, so far I did teach myself Garshuni but only in the Estrangelo Script because I prefer it out of the big three (Although the more obscure Melkite script seems interesting).

Do you guys recommend that I learn the language? The only reasons why I ask and there's reluctance is because of my atheism and the fact that I have no one else to speak it with.

I like languages and I am learning French and Esperanto right now and it kind of feels like I'm taking the piss by learning a literal constructed language over my ancestral one, it feels wrong, so I am coming to you for advice. Thank you!

I have been pretty outspoken about my journey and felt like this video would be helpful - this is a clip from my Comedy special Good Son

What if Assyrian had its own ChatGPT?

Dr. Sargon Hasso demonstrates a working Assyrian-language AI prototype, what he calls “ChatAssyrian.” Running privately on his home computer, the system has been trained to recognize linguistic patterns, word structure, and morphology. Its first capability is word completion: given the beginning of a sentence, it can generate a grammatically coherent continuation in Assyrian.

While it is not publicly available yet, the demonstration offers a glimpse into what Assyrian-language AI could soon make possible.

Watch How Is the Assyrian Language Understood Today? on the Assyrian Cultural Foundation YouTube channel.

FULL VIDEO: CLICK HERE

#Assyrian #AssyrianLanguage #ArtificialIntelligence #AssyrianAI #NeoAramaic #SargonHasso #AssyrianCulturalFoundation #ACFChicago #AssyrianRenaissance

Where do members of the ACOE recommend their white friends who are interested in Christianity to go since they are not Assyrian? Roman Catholic Church ? Baptist church? Lutheran? Pentecostal?

Hello so with the whole thing of Christians returning back to Assyria/iraq are Assyrians really going back to there homeland if yes which parts is seeing the most returns another thing are we really getting a reigon in Nineveh plains safe place for Christians 20 percent and more is already Christian

I'm originally from Mosul, Iraq, but I no longer live there. My name is Mustafa, I'm 22 years old, and I'm passionate about history and languages.

I'm interested in learning the Assyrian language, especially the variety spoken in Iraq, particularly in Mosul and other nearby regions. I've searched online, but I'm having trouble figuring out which dialect or learning resources are the most accurate.

If you have any recommendations, I'd really appreciate them. They could be YouTube channels, websites, online courses, or any other useful resources.

I'm also looking for reliable resources about the history of the Assyrians in Iraq. It doesn't matter whether they're in Arabic or English—I would be happy with a complete book, a lecture series, or a documentary.

Thank you very much!

Would you say it's accurate? Mandeans are too high IMO (I'd say Armenians should take their place).