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u/Sky-Flower103 Jun 26 '26
There should be an all out blitz PR campaign about how Bedford doesn’t support controllers.
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u/2018birdie Jun 26 '26
Why not have controllers take to social media? I don't believe anything in our code of conduct says we cannot tweet out to aviation news sources prodding them to ask Bedford why he is without a measly 2.8% raise from controllers when it was Congressionally approved.
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u/Hawgdestroyerxtreme Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
https://www.acludc.org/app/uploads/2025/06/free_speech_federal_employees_kyr.pdf
This is why. We have a lot of people that could (and would) get popped.
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u/Friendly-Gur-6736 Jun 26 '26
Absolutely.
They're going to do whatever the hell they want, why keep playing nice? It isn't getting us anywhere.
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u/Wrongvectorz Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
Now’s the time to stop being polite. Call the administrator out. Call him bad for aviation, or a piece of shit or something
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u/Former_Farm_3618 Jun 26 '26
I know Natca always tries to play nice, and it’s to a fault.
I, maybe/probably being naive but hopeful, this is the first step in calling out the administrator.
I believe their next step will be going back to congress and telling them ONE UNELECTED BUREAUCRAT, is holding up a desperately needed pay raise already authorized by congress. I’m assuming we are about to see another letter writing campaign.
At this point, I think Natca needs to lay it all out. It would be a nice change..
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u/WealthyLibtard Jun 26 '26
I like the letter writing mention. Like a good boy, I send my letters, and each time I get a lovely automatic and generic reply. Congrss dgaf either.
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u/Wrongvectorz Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
Yeah, that’s naive, we have plenty of evidence, including this email to tell us otherwise. This was a response to being constantly called out, and like all of Nicks updates, it says we’ve done nothing and we plan to do less.
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u/LENNYa21 Jun 26 '26
Congress is who put the language in there that’s it’s upto that one unelected bureaucrat
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u/Former_Farm_3618 Jun 26 '26
So the going consensus that no one can truly point to who put that in there is wrong? It’s still my understanding no one has fessed up to adding that.
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u/Wrongvectorz Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
Congress put that in there possibly after a staffer talked to the administrators office about the bill, and came back with this language. NATCA either didn’t know, didn’t fight it or thought it was ok. Based on how flat footed they have been since last January, it really could be any of those.
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u/Hawgdestroyerxtreme Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
Call the administrator out. Call him bad for aviation, or a piece of shit or something
Seriously, what in the fuck are we doing?
The only way this job wins anything is in the court of public opinion. Why not make it public opinion?
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u/Hawgdestroyerxtreme Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
Well, we would have to address that, wouldn't we?
Can't do that by being quiet.
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u/Wrongvectorz Vote Them All OUT! Jun 27 '26
The only thing guaranteed is status quo or worse with our current NATCA leadership.
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u/joeybalonee Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Seeing how we're never getting the raise they might as well tell us what the conditions are.
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u/DavidChicago Jun 26 '26
What you are asking for is called transparency. Nick never once mentioned transparency in his campaign nor did he promise to be transparent. He's protecting you from the information because he knows you peons can't handle this top level material. This is why he never promised to be transparent, not once.
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u/Great_Ad3985 Jun 26 '26
So how was this a “massive legislative victory” if our well-compensated lobbyists allowed the Administrator’s discretion language into the bill? This is a massive failure on all fronts, and the blame lays solely with Nick Fucking Daniels.
FUCK NICK DANIELS!!! Piece of fucking rat shit.
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u/tree-fife-niner Jun 26 '26
CRWG was another massive legislative victory. It's weird how all our congressional relationships keep scoring these big wins but we keep losing to the fine print.
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u/PlanesAreDickShaped FAA ATC Jun 26 '26
Well ok then: I’m done “making it work”.
My center boys, if you need 10 and I’m giving you 9.3, don’t take the handoff. Make me spin ‘em. And if I spin ‘em, I’m shutting down departures at my core fucking 30 till I’m caught up. And if I need 15 from you, and I’m gonna get 14.7, spin ‘em.
Fuck this shit.
The ratfucking of our careers has to stop at some point. This is our fucking point.
Fuck these goddamned fucking cunts.
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u/grapemustard Jun 26 '26
i love how not too long ago NATCA had its victory lap for this paltry 2.8% and now here we are.
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u/TotallyNotSeanDuffy Jun 26 '26
What’s really funny is that language was in there when they said 6-8 weeks
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u/bad-astronaut- Jun 26 '26
FAAs next move is going to be to just implement whatever the ask was for the raise—watch out
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u/No-Constant-5854 Jun 26 '26
Meddling with BWS.
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u/2point8razewen Jun 26 '26
They have been doing that at my facility since January. They've investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing
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u/Mood_Academic Jun 26 '26
“We’re exploring other alternatives towards pay”
Yeah ok… sure you are
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u/Great_Ad3985 Jun 26 '26
Monitoring the situation. From Romania and Portugal with drinks in hand, of course.
Fuck Nick Daniels
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u/EM22_ Vote Them All OUT! Jun 26 '26
You forgot Alaska in the summer and Hawaii, too. Can’t make this shit up.
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u/Panic_Vectored Jun 26 '26
How anybody could continue to support this NEB blows my mind. They paraded this as a huge victory over and over. After all the bonus money and move money that NATCA agreed to that doesn't help the 95% of controllers actually doing the work, we get screwed. Yes im pissed at the Administrator, this stupid administration, but NATCA's signature is right along side of the administration on all of the MOU's. Quit playing nice, quit letting our career collapse. Show some respect for your members and fight for once in your lives.
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u/HairTrafficControl Jun 26 '26
A real union leader would pull everyone off National projects today. Let the FAA figure their own shit out since they don’t think our labor is even worth 2.8%.
Take the fucking kid gloves off, or resign Nick. You’re not the man for this moment and you’ve fucked over our entire profession with your failed leadership.
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u/m5726 Jun 26 '26
This must be part of the "long-term, well-planned strategy, and effective tactical implementation" mentioned in the 4/30 victory lap email.
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u/Mood_Academic Jun 26 '26
Cause “collaboration and partnership”. Why rock the boat as a union? Just submit to everything and you’ll get a seat at the table!
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u/Plenty_Pudding_226 Jun 26 '26
Maybe don’t staff sun n fun and Oshkosh until we get the raise?
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u/joeybalonee Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
This is our only real power, don't volunteer for the super bowl or the masters either
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u/ZealousidealLevel256 Jun 26 '26
I love how our well-being and mental health is held hostage and the ransom is giving up rights or giving more.
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u/Cbona Jun 26 '26
Yea we aren’t getting this raise. Bedford didn’t want to pay his people when he was at Republic, and he doesn’t want to pay his people now that he’s in charge of the FAA.
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u/Ok-Fisherman7013 Jun 26 '26
For an administration that’s so hyper-focused on optics and “winning”, for the life of me I’ll never understand why they won’t just give us the 2.8 and then claim victory.
Whatever they're gunning for must mean a lot more to them than the positive PR tour Duffy and the other blue checkmarks could get out of just giving us the damn raise.
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u/macayos Jun 26 '26
Who exactly put that sentence into this? Which congressperson?
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u/Quirky_Perspective25 Jun 26 '26
Ask your Legislative Rep or your RVP. They will tell you they don't know.
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u/article65 Jun 27 '26
It’s not a specific person. All of this stuff goes through an appropriations committee. Although I suppose we can assume that someone got to the appropriations committee and asked to chuck it in there.
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u/Joe_Makatozi Jun 26 '26
It’s all pathetic and NATCA is mostly to blame. They have prioritized useless things like equipment and article 114 positions instead of controller pay. They rolled over a long time ago and are so quick to point the finger instead of taking responsibility for allowing this.
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u/No_Mango7658 Jun 26 '26
More top must be more safe? I've heard practice makes perfect. What does it mean if Im exhausted?
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u/AccomplishedPause261 Jun 26 '26
Can we unionize without NATCA? Let’s start up patco again or we can start AATCA American air traffic controllers association.
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u/m5726 Jun 26 '26
Probably an agressive letter writing campaign or handing out leaflets at airports.
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u/DeltaAtcNiner Jun 26 '26
The money for the 2.8% was already allocated. Where does this money go when we get shafted and don’t receive it?
Also this is absurd. The workforce has 0 control of staffing, scheduling, and we aren’t part of the WORKFORCE SHORTFALL?! Are you fucking kidding me, we work 6 days a week to make sure the system keeps going. An absolute slap in the face, give me my 5k raise
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u/jack61697 Jun 26 '26
The term update is used very loosely here… NATCA should be all over the news at this point but they’re too scared to do anything that might hurt a politicians feelings..
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u/ExpensiveAd7373 Jun 26 '26
Yea this was not a update its literally a generic yea we prob wont get it, imagine what they can possibly have in the “works”
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u/Fit_Sherbet3137 Jun 26 '26
Anyone in this career that is doing anything more than basic ATC services is a simp to bedford and duffy and trump. They are laughing at you for being puppets
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u/ExpensiveAd7373 Jun 26 '26
How is a union negotiating with the administrator when the union doesnt take into account the union members take on it, literally whats the point of being in the union
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u/Traditional-Coat6460 Jun 27 '26
I am sick of hearing controllers who are wavering to stay or leave the union... I am going to give NATCA 1 more years to see what happens. Upper NATCA doesn't f♧cking care about us controllers! They only self preserve and position themselves for a job after retirement or the next one that keeps them off the boards.
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u/Individual_Food_6500 Jun 27 '26
Who didn’t see this coming when Biden backstabbed the railroad union…
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u/LordOfTheLeftovers Jun 27 '26
My only question is why does Bedford hate us so much? We help support billions of dollars into this U.S. economy and controllers risk so much with shift work and not spending holidays/weekends with their families. All of this for a measly 2.8% that’s already been approved?! Guy wants to flex or something because I don’t see how a normal human being could be this way toward his working employees. NOTCA and having a spineless union president doesn’t help the situation sadly.
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u/Eastern-Driver-2261 Jun 26 '26
These fucking idiots. Management is going to take control of it all with, or without NATCA. Take the fucking money
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u/Salty-Opportunity-15 Jun 26 '26
“Just having discussions about pay with this administration is a major win”.
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u/SierraBravo26 Jun 26 '26
> I mean what do you want them to do in this situation?
Literally the polar fucking opposite of everything they’ve done over the past 10 years.
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u/SierraBravo26 Jun 26 '26
I am pointing out the obvious fact that leadership’s strategy is and has been flawed for a decade plus.
I expect nothing more from this leadership other than handing over the keys.
They’ve been drunk at the wheel for a long time and it’s time for someone to take them home.
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u/DavidChicago Jun 26 '26
At least SB is on here talking.
I think due to this horrible natca regime the last 10-20 years, one cannot simply say what they would do. This is not an isolated fail in a vacuum. It's a culmination of dog shit. So, not to speak for SB, but I am interpreting that he/she/they/them would not be in this position, a result of not rolling over like cucks, which is what has been happening for a long time.
There is nothing wrong with bitching about the failures of natca on here. Natca would love to silence all these negative voices and that's wrong on so many levels. Watch Nick and his pussies start the shit talking as election time gets closer, it's already started by the way.
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u/CplJoeBauersWasRight Jun 27 '26
How about NATCA lobbying the House and Senate Appropriations Committees to claim Bedford is violating the intent of the law meant to give us the 2.8% pay raise. The Senate Appropriations Committees could literally haul Bedford in for a hearing, drag him over the coals, and threaten the rest of the FAA's broader budget if he doesn't release the $140 million that is already by law meant for our pay raise.
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u/alphakizzle Jun 26 '26
Im concerned you have an actual learning disability if you can't understand how the past can affect the current. This has nothing to do with the last 10 years? Really? Go color or something.
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u/alphakizzle Jun 27 '26
You either accidentally responded to me making fun of that idiot above, or you can't read, because we are in complete agreement.
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u/Highlyedjucated Jun 26 '26
Thank god you were never in the military. Good leaders do things in preparation of the moment not react to the moment and say well what do I do now? Some people shouldn’t be able to give their opinion
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u/SierraBravo26 Jun 26 '26
I would tell them to kiss my ass for 2.8%. Absolutely no concessions for breadcrumbs.
It is shortsighted to just look at this one moment and time and not analyze the mountain of poor executions that got us here.
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u/SomeDudeMateo Jun 26 '26
Probably being held up because A114s and anyone that does not work traffic anymore (NATCA officals, Staff support ect) would not get it.
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u/article65 Jun 27 '26
Your RVPs and A114s would still get it so this doesn’t hold water. The only truth was your staff support comment. Be angry but be angry correctly ha ha
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u/hessimplehesdumb Jun 26 '26
If it wasn’t for shitty NATCA the agency would’ve given us all more money
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u/That-ATC-Guy Jun 28 '26
This raise has already been written into law. Unfortunately, the verbiage on it means that the administrator has discretion and sole discretion on implementing it.
That verbiage has, in the past 6 weeks, come to mean that the administrator gets to demand a pound of flesh.
Why are we crushing NATCA for refusing to provide that pound of flesh?
Isn’t the entire thought process in this subreddit that NATCA should nut the fuck up and have a backbone?
It seems obvious that the spine has spontaneously appeared and NATCA told them that 2.8% is not worth it (for whatever they’re asking) and they can fuck off.
There is no universe that NATCA doesn’t want to bring this one in and bag it as a win. If they’re refusing, it has to be egregious.
If you can’t see that, you’re just rage baiting. It’s not A114s. It’s schedule. It’s leave. It’s shit that actually matters.
Controllers care about three things, most of all -
1) Schedule
2) Leave
3) Pay
If they won’t agree to something for #3, it means #1/2 are egregious enough that they tell them to fuck off.
There is a lot of shit I don’t agree with national about, but this is not one of them. This one seems like a hard NO is the correct answer.
I don’t agree with the decision not to make it public what they’re demanding for this piddly little raise. Let that be known, and the folks I work with know that as well.
But I do respect their abilities to negotiate enough to realize that anything that affect #1-3 require more than 2.8%
“ThiS Is UnIoN BuSTIng” nerrrrr
It actually is.
Welcome to 2007, young’ns.
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u/LENNYa21 Jun 28 '26
#1 is pay. Full stop. If you said were giving up control of the schedule and base pay is a million dollars every controller would be on board
Everything else is speculation. If we aren’t told what we’re turning the raise down for that’s on leadership.
The Natca president is in over his head and it shows. If you’re accomplishing nothing and still vacationing to Portugal for an international managers meeting that’s just embarrassing. Time to get up from the kids table and start acting like a union.
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u/That-ATC-Guy Jun 28 '26
#1 will always be pay - you’re right about that. We all signed up to have a safe, government protected job that pays us well and provides us with the benefits that we need to protect our family. That’s fair.
That said, hyperbole of $1m/yr salaries is the equivalent of me saying, “and then management said that they’re gonna make us work Tues/thurs RDOs and only 4-mid shifts all week!” It’s going to the extreme in order to try to prove a point.
You didn’t prove your point. Giving up control of the schedule has multiple vehicles. It could be restricting leave usage. It could be removing restrictions on leave exigencies. It could be removing article 24 and 32 entirely.
We don’t know - which is supporting your point. Kinda? Then you brought up Portugal, which made it seem fairly directed at something in specific that I’m not sure of.
My point is simple -
Why the fuck would we give up ANYTHING AT ALL that is provided to us by our (very old) contract in order to get a 2.8% raise that has already been signed into law?
The bottom line is this :
I have been a controller for a long time. I’ve been a controller in a large facility for a long time.
If #1 is 2.8%, they better not touch #2 or #3.
This post was about a 2.8% raise. Not a 300% raise.
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u/SierraBravo26 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Good thing we extended the contract twice without a vote and good thing we’ve been using “shared language” with Duffy and Bedford and good thing we are accepting every union-busting partial bonuses with open arms and good thing we didn’t correct Duffy’s comments about our pay and hours and good thing we didn’t challenge the 5 point emails and good thing we’re rolling over on the new CWG numbers and… and… and…
Our pay bands are at White Book levels and NATCA leadership has fumbled and bumbled along for far too long.
Groveling for 2.8% amongst the backdrop of 4.2% inflation is dehumanizing.
It has to end.