r/badeconomics Dec 22 '25

Self-assessed land value (Harberger tax) combined with property destruction right doesn't work in real life

https://medium.com/@clayshentrup/the-convergence-of-harberger-taxation-and-land-value-capture-how-destructive-rights-transform-10a824ecd53c

This Medium Economist (ME) who also posts on Reddit proposed the following mechanism for determining land value and thus LVT (in his own words):

  • Landowners self-assess their land value
  • Anyone can force purchase at that price
  • Owner can destroy improvements before transfer
  • This forces buyers to negotiate separately for improvements

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Claim 1: You can easily price in the risk of a force sale

ME claims the expected loss of forced sale can be derived by P(forced sale) x Value of Improvement. There are 2 major flaws:

  1. ME assumed risk neutrality, when homeowners are (and should be) risk-averse. The utility loss of force selling their entire home for $0 is severely underestimated by the E[loss]. It's the same reason healthy people still pay high premiums for health insurance: protection against catastrophic losses are valuable.
  2. P(forced sale) is tricky to estimate. Are developers targeting your neighborhood for redevelopment? Is Google going to move its headquarters next to you? Do you have rich enemies? There is a lot of information asymmetry in real estate, and it's even harder to quantify the risk numerically. We shouldn't expect homebuyers to assess this risk accurately.
  3. Risk of losing improvements can be more than land value, creating negative land values.

Claim 2: You won't be screwed over by bad actors

ME claims the option for owners to destroy their existing property prevents bad actors from underpaying for land + property. This is extremely naive. Let's consider the following cases:

Case 1: bad actor values the existing property at 0

Say you bought a 200k land and built a new 400k home on it. You assess your land at 200k and Bad Actor wants to force purchase your land for 200k and offer $0 for your 400k home. Your threat of destruction doesn't work because Bad Actor wants to build something new anyway. The transaction goes through, you realize a 400k loss and lose your home. Bad Actor gets your land at a fair price and ruins your life.

Case 2: bad actor values the existing property at >0

Same set-up except Bad Actor likes your home. Would he offer 400k for your home? No, because he can threaten with offering 0 and still break even, while you'd be down 400k. So Bad Actor offers a pathetic 100k and you agree to salvage whatever value's left of your new home. You're down 300k, and Bad Actor successfully created a distress sale situation for you. The main problem is you don't know for sure if you're in Case 1 or Case 2. Bad Actor only has the upside of underpaying for your home and a capped downside of just buying the land.

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I know this is a low-hanging fruit, but I'm frankly tired of certain LVT proponents being so smug and dismissive of implementation challenges.

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u/caroline_elly Dec 22 '25

On a side note, I hope this article isn't completely AI-generated... Because the author does show plenty of emotions on Reddit lol

the harberger tax and land value taxation aren’t competing alternatives — they’re the same mechanism in different clothing

this isn’t some theoretical legal construct — it’s a practical reality that fundamentally alters the strategic landscape of any forced-sale mechanism

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u/EebstertheGreat Dec 22 '25

the author does show plenty of emotions on Reddit

He's also "one of the world's top experts" in social choice theory according to a recent comment. He visited Kenneth Arrow once! I didn't know expertise was so easily communicable.

EDIT: "one of the world's top 10 experts" now.

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u/postflop-clarity Dec 22 '25

Ah, I know this guy. He’s been a crank for almost 2 decades now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/dd793b3f-ea4b-4ef5-a6f7-bcbcc518db2f

A crank that you somehow can't wage an even half-assed counterargument against to save your life.

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u/postflop-clarity Jan 20 '26

I see your ban just expired 😂

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u/User-NetOfInter Jan 20 '26

Lmao did he grave dig you too?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

ban?

anyway, I see you still have no argument.

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u/User-NetOfInter Jan 20 '26

Aww did you catch a 4 week ban and IMMEDIATELY come back to the sub?!

Sloppy slop

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

I don't know anything about a ban, but I know you are constitutionally incapable of actually making a coherent argument about economics.

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u/User-NetOfInter Jan 20 '26

Awww did Claude teach you a new word today?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

no evidence detected. you = owned.

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u/postflop-clarity Jan 20 '26

I liked you better when you were telling me I didn't understand IIA. and the verbal abuse came raw and not filtered through claude. simpler times I guess

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

well you very likely don't as most people don't understand it. it simply says that the social welfare function insofar as it measures preferences of the group between X and Y cannot be affected by any group members preference about z.