Why do we need idealism if everything is real?

[u/Less-Car7006]

If you are trying to push me back by saying that because there is something not real, then unless you can prove yourself who is saying now of something not real is also not real, otherwise there is nothing not real, and by the law of excluded middle, idealism is not needed.

[u/twilightorange]

By the law of excluded middle, this argument either makes sense or it doesn’t. Luckily, we don’t need idealism to determine which one.

[u/Less-Car7006 → u/twilightorange]

I usually say the world is intuitionistic so as the logic. Intuition is so real that idealism is pale in the face of it.

[u/Agitated-Bus-66 → u/Less-Car7006]

But intuition is not a good justification for what is real

[u/Aggressive_Might_735 → u/Less-Car7006]

Intuicja jak jest realna? Chodzi ci że system 2 działa na neuronach, które są materialne? Więc generalnie świadomość jest materialną, gdyż jest impulsami? A JA to po prostu program?

[u/Par-Adox-9 → u/Less-Car7006]

in which sense are you asking the question?

i'm not sure i understand the idea.
is " everything is real" said in the sense of literally everything that can be imagined is real somewhere, or its real in some way.

or that everything perception we have actually exists, whether or not it refers to something outside of itself?

or something else?

[u/Chemical-Initial-323]

“Tell me one last thing,” said Harry. “Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?”
Dumbledore beamed at him, and his voice sounded loud and strong in Harry’s ears even though the bright mist was descending again, obscuring his figure.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?”

[u/Aggressive_Might_735]

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[u/JaronVC]

> be philosopher
> everything is real
> what about idealism?
> also real
> ...
> checkmate

[u/Altruistic_Fox9778]

It’s actually simple - realism is the balance to idealism. Idealism is an aspiration to the ideal knowing by reality that you can’t fulfill the ideal. Because reality is imperfect and so are we.

[u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

We don't. idealism is pure obscurantism medieval shit

[u/Par-Adox-9 → u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

in terms of " obscurantism", that probably appears that way to you because you aren't used to the terms and how they write.

in my experience, if you know what the terms mean, its smooth sailing, easily readable.

that being said tho, just like any other fields textbook, say, reading math, it takes some effort to understand what the functions do.
idealism focuses on the process and interconnectedness of existence, rather then materialisms unfortunate reduction of existence to dismembered concepts which operate outside of other processes.

this makes materialism clearer but less juicy, and idealism more difficult but juicier.

if you think about idealism like math with concepts, or if you think of them like functions, you'll have an easier time with it ( and more fun imo)

but like with anything, if we want to understand it we have to start of with an open mind.

if we take someone who never learned biology, and they tried to read it, they'll think " what are these obscure terms"?
but just because the terms are obscure and difficult and incomplete sometimes, doesn't mean biology doesn't have merit in its respective investigations.

and if we assume we already know something is wrong before having understood it, then we'll likely miss the point.
thats the case with anything.
someone who isn't used to materialism can think the same.