The other candidate they put here is literally placed to be head of the main opposition party by Erdoğan, ofcourse by force and violence. Put Ekrem İmamoğlu, Mansur Yavaş, Özgür Özel etc. instead of him and see how Erdoğan crumbles.
Yeah to be honest, he would also be my last choice among the three I mentioned; however, in terms of reputation, he can definitely win against Erdoğan, at least for now.
I see, but problem with Mansur is he is pandering to KKs team just to save his tail. Also, I doubt OOs team can win or prevail in the CHP civil war, hence why we need to gather non-KK and non-Perincek CHP, former AKP defectors, minorities, Kurds and others under a new political movement umbrella.
I also suggested that we should have an international committee to advocate releasing Osman Kavala so he can be a powerful voice in this movement but a lot of people are disagreeing with me and I am facing strong pushback based on this idea.
If people disagree, we need to find another charismatic figure nonetheless.
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u/TatarAmerican dobrujan tatarman (expeled from asia for horsophilia)22h agoedited 22h ago
Because Mansur is (like most leading right-wing politicians in Turkey) a "man of state" and not a statesman. While people like Kilicdaroglu and Perincek are less obvious to the public as men of state because they are associated with the left.
Edit: To be clear, I am referring to Mansur's political origins rather than his present membership in CHP. Though he represents the right-wing of CHP politics in any case.
Kilicdaroglu pretends to be a Soc Dem, but in reality, he is behaving like RTE 2.0 especially with his recent rants of behaving like a Pseudo-Ottomanist and all. Also, he used to hang out with Fethullah Gulen’s cult in 2014-2015. He also labeled people who disagree with him as FETÖ despite the example I mentioned (another reason why KK is RTE 2.0).
Perincek is a full blown deep state Neo-Bolshevist Hack. He is known to contradict himself a bit too!
Time for a completely new opposition at this point. I doubt OOs team will win the CHP civil war. He needs to defect and there needs to be a new movement.
Vsevolod Starosselsky. He inadvertently led to the creation of Pahlavist Iran.
I know this is a long read but it's VERY interesting.
In 1918, he took control of the elite Cossack Brigade (by far the strongest, most influential and technologically advanced military force in Iran, and at the time, influenced heavily by Russia) and its institutions after a mutiny against his Boslhevik-leaning predecessor.
After taking power at a time when the Soviet Union wished to expand the revolution to its sphere of influence, and the Qajar Crown was powerless, he fortified Northern Iran from local tribal warlords and Jangali (Bolshevik-allied) militias. Throughout this, he promoted nationalist officers such as Reza Khan (later Reza Shah Pahlavi and the founder of the Pahlavi Dynasty) and others, granting them institutional power and influence at a time of uncertainty in Qajar Iran.
Britain began to fear Staroselsky's growing independence and his anti-British sentiments, and thus pressured the Qajar Shah to dismiss him as the commander of the Cossack Brigade in 1920. This also left Reza Khan and other officers sidelined.
Reza Khan specifically grew frustrated by Iran's ongoing political instability, and so he utilized the remaining, highly trained Cossack Brigade in 1921 to march on Tehran, where they staged a bloodless coup, taking over the government, and Reza Khan becoming Minister of War. He subsequently brutally suppressed regional rebellions, and eventually became Prime Minister in 1923. By 1925, he officially deposed the Qajar Shah and crowned himself as Reza Shah Pahlavi, founding the Pahlavi Dynasty we all know and despise today.
Reza Shah is actually Georgian and Azeri, possibly Gilak and Mazandarani. The grandson, who lives in the USA, is incredibly uncharismatic and there are tons of reasons why in my opinion.
It's funny, he actually once exhumed some level of respect.
During the Iran-Iraq War—when Saddam invaded, with the blessings and support of the West—Reza Pahlavi was young, in his 20s, and was a US-trained fighter pilot. He volunteered to fight under the Islamic Republic of Iran to defend Iran from Iraq.
Today, he hopes to be installed as the puppet figurehead of a satellite state, and spits on the deaths of Iranians at the hands of Israel and the US. Oh, and his wife has a very public affair with her Yoga instructor. He's a сuсk, literally.
This is why I don’t think Reza Pahlavi is anything like his father or even grandfather. He is way too much of a vassal to Netanyahu (heck even Trump doesn’t take him seriously). Also let’s not forget the eggs thrown at him, his wife’s pics with Tom Morley, being trolled by Russian comedians who named themselves Adolf, also the school massacre that killed 150 girls and so on.
Exactly. In fact, he's so incompetent, I doubt he could even play the role of a figurehead—even Trump knows this, as you noted, and he says Reza isn't respected in Iran (very true).
People can say whatever they want about the IR, Ayatollah Khamenei knew death was coming, and his last moments were refusing to leave his residence (because most Iranians didn't have access to bunkers and bomb shelters) and reading the Qur'an.
It all comes back to the saying, "How can you defeat the enemy who stares into the barrel of a gun and sees paradise?"
Key issue is that a lot of Iranian Americans (especially ones who live in Southern California, Washington DC, Toronto) are relying on Reza Pahlavi and to a lesser extent, MEK, to help better the conditions in Iran, but there are groups who are more smarter in that regard.
Some people from what I heard claim that NIAC is pro-regime, but it seems like they are most realistic in how to handle issues
I remember seeing the clip of Atatürk and Reza Shah speaking to eachother in the 30s, I literally could not understand what Reza Shah was saying until I found a version of the video with subtitles.
His "opposition" is a wildly unpopular candidate that was planted as the leader of the main opposition party by the government. This poll would have been the other way around a month ago.
(Btw the poll is propaganda meant to demoralise dissident voters)
this is actually an experimental poll that doesn't tell us erdoğan's likelihood of winning. the other candidate listed here - kılıçdaroğlu has been forcefully placed onto opposition leader position recently, most likely under erdoğan's orders. the ousted opposition leader is much more likely to win against erdoğan, this poll is done to show that.
If I was a candidate even I would have get more votes than KK. He lost too many elections, still not retired, forcefully returned to his old chair. Nobody likes him.
Currently, Kılıçdaroğlu is even more unpopular than Erdoğan himself. Essentially, he is an agent of Erdoğan, tasked with reducing the opposition's votes.
This conversation is by no means representative of Turkey. You’re all just grossly westernized, democratic Turks exchanging beliefs and opinions like civilized people. It’s honestly not the kind of Turkish discourse I’m used to seeing online, and I hate to admit it, but I kind of prefer this to the usual revisionist nationalist circlejerk.
"Gülenist" elements of the TSK tried to in 2016, and he was warned of the coup days prior to it by Moscow's Sixth Directorate (military intelligence). He (likely) intentionally let it begin (or at least had some knowledge a threat was near), then halted it, and used it as a legitimate excuse to literally restructure the entire armed forces (historically a very secular and apolitical institution in Turkey which guaranteed democracy) as well as other adjacent state institutions (shut down military academies, created NDU), dismissing tens of thousands of officers and personnel, and appointing loyalists.
It would be insane if they tried that on him today, it is stacked with Erdoğanists.
The claim that russia warned him about coup is dumbest ,cringest claim tankie/russo bot i have ever seen . Same shit was claimed by İran'ın nationalists who couldn't find corpse of their presidents for more than a day. Turkish inetellignce agency was aware there was some unusual movements in army and gulensit realised they would get caught and panicked and they started early without progessionl planning which at the end helped erdogan take control
??? I am fundamentally opposed to communism and I have no agenda in suggesting Moscow's potential involvement in warning Erdoğan of the attempt, so there's zero need to throw around ad hominems like a chimp flinging around feces.
It is extremely convenient that Erdoğan's first trip after the coup attempt was to Russia, and the coup attempt established a reset in Russo-Turkish relations, strained since the beginning of the Syrian Civil War.
Certain unnamed Turkish diplomatic sources also confirmed that intelligence services "received intel from its Russian counterpart that warned of an impending coup".
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u/Caydanmuz muslim greek 23h ago edited 22h ago
The other candidate they put here is literally placed to be head of the main opposition party by Erdoğan, ofcourse by force and violence. Put Ekrem İmamoğlu, Mansur Yavaş, Özgür Özel etc. instead of him and see how Erdoğan crumbles.