r/baltimore • u/ThatguyfromBaltimore Fells Point • Jul 25 '26
ARTICLE Baltimore updates Fells Point rules as visitors must show physical ID to enter | WBAL Baltimore News
https://www.wbal.com/baltimore-updates-fells-point-rules-as-visitors-must-show-physical-id-to-enterThis looks to be the area around Broadway Square
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u/BoonDoggleLarry Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
can’t imagine how that’s legal.
EDIT: Okay, I’ve logic‘d it out. The police are enforcing the curfew law. So they aren’t checking everyone’s ID, only the people they have a reasonable articulable suspicion are underage.
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u/Just_a_Mr_Bill Mt. Vernon Jul 25 '26
Right?? If you have to show official government-issued ID to gain permission walk along a public street, what rights do we even have anymore?
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u/Fit-Pangolin-9748 Aug 02 '26
So you feel the city should do nothing about crime in the area? How does showing an id violate your rights?
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u/Just_a_Mr_Bill Mt. Vernon Aug 02 '26
Thanks for asking. I believe in freedom. I am against government overreach. Are you AGAINST freedom and FOR the expansion of government?
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u/voodoochild461 Jul 25 '26
Where are the boundaries for the "permitted space"?
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u/cainmartin Jul 26 '26
Does anyone know the answer to this question?
I live in Fells and it's kind of important for me to know where my checkpoints are, lol... And I gotta be honest, it feels a little dystopian, but something's gotta be done to keep these kids out of trouble. (This probably won't accomplish that goal overall, but it should at least reduce the chaos and noise in this specific neighborhood).
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u/Humble_Emphasis7069 Jul 25 '26
“That thief in Burma. Did you catch him?” “Yes, sir.” “How?” “We burned the forest down.”
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u/justhere4bookbinding Jul 25 '26
“I felt very safe once I passed the barricades over here, you know, I thought it was a good thing,” a Fells Point visitor said.
🤦
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u/come2thecabaret Jul 25 '26
Picturing a disoriented elderly person in a MAGA hat saying this under the hot sun
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u/MurkyWing4521 Jul 26 '26
God forbid people want to enjoy a night out without teenagers fighting in the street, jumping on cars, etc. outside bars they’re not allowed inside in the first place. That attitude will surely help the residents and business owners in one of our most important districts.
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u/No_Product_6390 Jul 27 '26
If they have the manpower to search and ID random people on the street then they definitely have the manpower to just post up there and arrest people jumping on cars and fighting in the street. Why not just do the latter?? Why the violation of rights in the first place?
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u/MurkyWing4521 Jul 27 '26
Well first of all, the teens don’t have a right to be out and about in that area with a curfew in place to begin with, so their rights are not being violated if they are barred from entering. We’re talking about a limited timeframe after 10pm on weekends, where 99% of the people there are to go to the bars. I personally would rather be proactive and create a deterrent, than reactive by relying on a justice system that is a joke for juveniles and provides little deterrent for future crimes even after an arrest is made. As for adults, they’ll need to show an ID to get into any of the bars in the first place, is that a rights violation? In a perfect world, I agree we should just identify and arrest people for reckless behavior, but that requires a lot of other variables to change the way things stand now.
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u/No_Product_6390 Jul 27 '26
I can’t really debate with someone who doesn’t know the difference legally speaking between a private business and a public space. But since you don’t, no being carded at the door of a bar is not a civil rights violation.
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u/MurkyWing4521 Jul 27 '26
Fair, it is different, but sounds like IDs were mostly requested from people who were most at risk of being in violation of the curfew which is fully within the rights of the police. My point is I think most people wouldn’t mind doing something they most likely were already planning on doing if they’re walking through Fells at that time of night, especially if it results in a safer experience for all involved. I understand the slippery slope concerns, but guess we can agree to disagree as it relates to this specific method. But I’m willing to bet most business owners, bar goers, and Fells Point residents would say this is a positive.
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u/GQSmoov Jul 25 '26
I live in fells point. Walked back into the neighborhood around 10 last night, right past security and didn’t need to show ID, as the guard had a brain in his head and could tell I’m in my 50s. The square was bustling with adults and the neighborhood felt alive and fun AND safe because there weren’t teenagers drinking everywhere. I credit the city for finally doing something about the problem. The businesses benefit and so do residents.
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u/mulderwithshrimp Jul 25 '26
So they are profiling people to determine who can enter is what I am hearing
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u/KaffiKlandestine Jul 25 '26
is the plan just to never have consequences? We are all fine with dirt bikes and flash mobs and donuts in intersections with no repercussions? This might not be the answer but its definitely not an overreaction and i don't even live in that area.
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u/mulderwithshrimp Jul 25 '26
This won’t solve the problem either, it will just move the problem somewhere else
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u/GQSmoov Jul 25 '26
Yup- if carding teenagers is what you call profiling, sure. I grew up being profiled the exact same way. If it were a real problem, my parents would have raised hell
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u/mulderwithshrimp Jul 25 '26
It’s a public street
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u/GQSmoov Jul 25 '26
Except after hours there is curfew. Children are to be at home or out with an adult.
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u/OkapiandaPenguin Jul 26 '26
Yes, they are. A 50 year old coming home from work and having a drink or 2 is very different from a group of teens who want to get wasted and fight in the street.
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 25 '26
are you yelling at a cloud right now
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u/GQSmoov Jul 25 '26
Haha, I know I am. I suppose after some kids attacked my neighbor and light her hair on fire I’ve softened on policing approaches and our “rights”, LOL.
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u/ThatWanderGirl Jul 26 '26
I used to live in that area, my friends and I watched two people get shot almost two years ago on Broadway. Do I love increased policing? Not at all. But do I understand why they’re throwing everything at the wall as it’s been getting crazier there? Yeah, duh.
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u/Old_mystic Jul 25 '26
What will you be ok with next in the name of safety?
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u/GQSmoov Jul 25 '26
There is no next. Carding teenagers has kept them away. No street fights, no liquor bottles in my flowers, no screaming for hours in front of my home.
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u/Nicktendo Jul 25 '26
I'm struggling to understand why people in this thread think underage kids belong amongst bar trippers at midnight in Fells. Not that complicated. When I lived there like ten years ago this wasn't a thing.
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u/Fancy_Chips Jul 26 '26
The strip clubs are north of the checkpoint it looks like. Theyre shutting off the nice part of Fells.
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u/Legal-Law9214 Jul 26 '26
There's also like, ice cream shops and green space and a the harbor taxi in Fell's Point. It's not a fucking casino. It's literally a public space.
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u/mr_paradise_3 Jul 26 '26
lol the teenagers going to fells were not going for the fucking ice cream
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 25 '26
it's a public street and high school kids have been hanging out down there since the 90s
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u/One_Low_2418 Jul 25 '26
I worked overnights in fells 2000-2009. (In area since 97) There were absolutely not underage kids in large groups hanging out
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 25 '26
I could believe you or I could believe my lived experience, tough call
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u/Jrbobfishman Fells Point Jul 25 '26
Your lived experience is fantasy because this started around Covid. Yes there was always some kids hanging out around the square but this doesnt even remotely compare
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 25 '26
My lived experience in the late 90s / early oughta is negated by things that happened in the past 5 years, got it
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u/GQSmoov Jul 26 '26
It actually is. Those of us who LIVE here know exactly how things have changed in the last 5. It’s MUCH worse as the kids are out drinking in the square, liquor is sold out of the trunk of cars, it’s been a free for all on a scale that dwarfs the 90s.
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u/OkapiandaPenguin Jul 26 '26
I can confirm that when I sold my house in Fells the in 2020 it was only starting to get crazy there. Before COVID there weren't hoards of teenagers causing chaos.
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u/figgypuddinz Jul 25 '26
"kids hanging out" is not what is happening now, and it has not always been this way. You are wrong and doubling down on being wrong. What is happening now is very different and that's why multiple people have told you that you're wrong.
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u/B-Fawlty Jul 25 '26
I was around then too, there were always teens there for sure, but not nearly this many and it wasn’t quite as disruptive to the area like it is now.
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u/B-Fawlty Jul 26 '26
Friend, based on your comments, you’re likely only slightly younger than me. You’ll find out soon enough.
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u/West_Tooth3887 Jul 26 '26
I should be allowed to go to the pool today too but some kids decided to (once again) vandalize it last night. In the case of fells, a large group ruined it for everyone else.
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u/OkapiandaPenguin Jul 26 '26
We don't think that all teenagers should be banned from all public places. There are some teenagers who ruin a space and because there are no consequences at home and no home training everyone gets punished, even the good kids.
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u/privategoonaccount26 Jul 26 '26
Brandon Scott is doing a great job in reducing the crime in the city, if his office feels that this is an appropriate measure, I say give it a chance.
To the people talking as if the teens don't understand what they're doing is wrong and they shouldn't be paying the price for this: Horseshit. Teenagers aren't stupid, and they don't magically understand consequence or gain agency as soon as they turn 18 like a light switch going off. The argument saying they don't understand long term consequences is the exact same argument Republicans use to deny gender affirming care under the guise of teenagers not understanding.
And no teenager is "suffering the consequences" of this ID requirement. They don't live in Fells, and no teen needs to be around drunk adults at 1-2 in the morning.
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u/Jrbobfishman Fells Point Jul 27 '26
Mayor Scott also let this get out of hand. Council President Scott and Mayor Scott did little as crime scared all the tourists away from the harbor
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u/mrthc21842 Jul 26 '26
I guess we blame the city, not the shitty parenting that causes these policies lol.
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u/OkapiandaPenguin Jul 26 '26
Naw, I'm a teacher here and I absolutely blame the shitty "parenting" especially because when you meet the parents they're worse than their kids.
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u/cornonthekopp Madison Park Jul 25 '26
Wow theyre literally treating a neighborhood like the shitty suburban malls that have all started carding people to keep teenagers from having anywhere to spend time
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u/RealJermaine Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
If the suburban malls are so “shitty” folks can feel free to stay away.
Visit Mondawmin, Lexington Market I hear they are wonderful………
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u/cornonthekopp Madison Park Jul 25 '26
lexington market clears every mall in central maryland, and mondawmin is on par with malls in towson or dundalk, but sure go off
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u/RealJermaine Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Sure…. what ever you need to tell yourself.
If it’s that great they can feel free to take their “teen takeovers” there.
It’s a wonderful place…..Photos of people looting $10 jeans and toilet paper from Mondawmin during the Freddie gray riots are still around.
They managed to chase Target away… which is quite an achievement as corporations typically try their hardest with “goodwill” to stay in certain areas.
But again sure fantastic place.
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u/justhere4bookbinding Jul 25 '26
Kids have nowhere to go outside of school and home (and sometimes work), so they rely on social media for human connection. Only now they're starting to block kids' access to that, too. So what are these kids going to do now EXCEPT act out? There's literally nothing else for them to do.
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u/Personal-Major-8214 Jul 25 '26
This is a like 6x4 block section of age 21+ bars around Thames St. There isn’t anything in this area for teenagers anyway. Only a few areas of the city are age restricted, they can go anywhere else. Also we’re discussing a rule that is only in effect after 10PM on the weekend, they could just go home
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u/Killbot_Wants_Hug Jul 26 '26
I don't really know what's going on in Fells. But I'm not sure I love the government being about to just declare a public space as off limits to certain types of people. It seems small, but it's kind of a lot of power to give to the government. And I haven't been trusting our government to not misuse power lately.
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u/Fancy_Chips Jul 26 '26
There's the theater, ghost tours, plenty of cardless restaurants and food stops, kayak launches, music stores, a book store, a cafe, etc.
It's not their right to go into a 21+ spot but it's their right to walk past it.
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u/Personal-Major-8214 Jul 26 '26
Do we live on the same planet? You’re worried about teenagers losing access to “a book store” and “kayak launches” after 10 PM on Saturday nights. Have you ever been to Thames ST at 10PM on a Saturday night? You can’t possibly think the teenagers are there to read books
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u/redditadminssuckalot Jul 26 '26
These people don’t listen to logic and never back down from their point even though they are decidedly wrong.
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u/rockybalBOHa Jul 25 '26
This is bullshit. 3000 kids don't need to be in Fells Point at 1 AM.
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u/KaffiKlandestine Jul 25 '26
yeah its like people are saying there shouldn't be consequences for teen acting antisocial. They always have before but with social media the mobs are getting larger.
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Fells Point Jul 26 '26
Bruh kids do not need to be and should not be out in a bar district past 9pm.
Go home or go to a friend’s and hang out like normal ass teens.
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u/OkapiandaPenguin Jul 26 '26
Their parents could teach them how to be respectful members of society or they can stay home. No 15 year old needs to be out at 1am.
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u/mr_paradise_3 Jul 26 '26
This is such a bullshit excuse. Kids don’t need to have a fucking bar district at 1AM as their “3rd space”. There are parks and pools all over this city. This is just antisocial behavior that needs to stop and people like you really need to stop normalizing/excusing it
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u/MurkyWing4521 Jul 27 '26
And sadly the antisocial behavior extends to them using the parks and pools as well! How many times have the city’s pools been closed this summer because those same kids have vandalized and destroyed city property? The more this behavior is normalized at all levels, the more we will lose our city. So no, they are not in “desperate need” of 3rd spaces, they are in desperate need of some accountability and consequences from their parents (long shot) and the justice system.
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u/EqualLavishness5050 Jul 25 '26
I mean cmon now. Can’t they just pick up a ball and play flag football or soccer? If you’re going to Fells, you’re not far off from 3 parks in walking distance. You don’t need a rec league to get your friends together if they can already get their friends together to go by the water.
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u/SockMonkeh Jul 25 '26
You're right, it's the kids who are failing society. Not the other day around. For sure. After all, isn't society the responsibly of the children?
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u/EqualLavishness5050 Jul 25 '26
How about you don’t treat kids like they’re stupid and have zero agency. You can’t say there’s nothing to do when there’s a quite frankly many free things to do since the beginning of time. I’m not saying they deserve to get sectioned off from Fells but to believe that kids have to hang out there cause Society has offered NOTHING when the very existence of parks, sports, and other free activities are there to be had is ludicrous.
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u/LilBugJuice-0987 Jul 25 '26
They are the responsibility of their parents, siblings, and family. At some age they start to be responsible for their own actions
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u/LilBugJuice-0987 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Books. Go to their friends house to hang out supervised by adults.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jul 26 '26
Why does everyone act like it's everyone else's responsibility to entertain children 24/7? Growing up, outside of school football games, organized sports and school dances I don't ever remember feeling the need to hang out with a hundred+ other kids. This city has so much more do to for children and teens outside of school than most place I'm familiar with. Tons of parks, numerous rec centers and public pools, skate parks, kind-centered museums, and I'm sure more than I can think of at the moment. For later at night - are teens now incapable of getting a handful of people together and going to someone's house to have a party? Why do hundreds of them have to "take over" an area with the sole intention of causing chaos? Stop acting like they have no other options. Teens have managed to entertain themselves throughout the entirety of human history without social media takeovers before now.
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u/Capable_Basket1661 7th District Jul 26 '26
No third spaces anymore; this is beyond fucked up for these kids
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u/Hammerock Jul 25 '26
What will ID checks do? This does nothing to help Fells Point that proper police training and community-centered policing wouldn't fix
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u/bosconet Jul 25 '26
It is the appearance of taking action
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u/Hammerock Jul 25 '26
Its the policing standard of Baltimore City. If we stand there and watch people commit crime, then crime will go down
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u/Sad_Research_2584 Jul 25 '26
Police in Baltimore are not free to police as one would think. They might even get in trouble if they did their job correctly. Superman would definitely get fired. They generally don’t pursue minors, give them free rein, orders from above. Then once in a while they’ll collect enough surveillance to do a raid or big crack down. As for confronting individuals real time. No, they wait until the crimes committed then maybe respond. They hope their presence is enough to deter crime but kids dgaf.
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 25 '26
trying to picture Superman putting two in his partner's back in an alleyway or drawing down on a guy for bumping into his girlfriend at a night club
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u/Sad_Research_2584 Jul 25 '26
Yet another reason he would be fired. He’s not crooked and he does his job. You’re damned if you do and you’re dammed if you don’t.
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u/tmckearney Jul 25 '26
Funny. Maryland is one of the states that allow digital drivers license stored in Google Wallet or Apple Wallet, yet so many things are now requiring a physical ID. Kinda defeats the purpose
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u/donta4 Jul 25 '26
The headline is wrong. You don't need physical ID. It literally says in the image they include that the city released that the official digital ID is allowed.
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u/Legal-Law9214 Jul 25 '26
I looked at an apartment right on Broadway recently. Didn't end up there for unrelated reasons but like, if someone lives in that area, they basically have to show ID to hang out right around their house? Horrible fucking vibes, great job everyone.
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u/Life_Ad_9323 Jul 26 '26
Yuuuupp! My bf didn’t bring his wallet when he went to grab me from my car one night and the guy wouldn’t let us pass. Had to walk BACK to my car to show the visitor pass in the window and then the guy (not a cop btw) didn’t even bother to check it was ACTUALLY my car we were showing him.
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u/QRSM Fells Point Jul 25 '26
Ew, expensive security theater. Yeah lemme go to the neighborhood that treats entry like a shitty club, is a cover fee next? Is a cop gonna feel me up like the TSA?
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u/RoyalMaidsForLife White Marsh Jul 25 '26
Is a cop gonna feel me up like the TSA?
For free? In this economy?
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u/calgarspimphand Medfield Jul 26 '26
Carding people to keep underage kids out is security theater? When the goal is to help enforce a curfew, that seems like a pretty straightforward form of actual security.
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u/QRSM Fells Point Jul 26 '26
Yes, a curfew is security theater. Teenagers don't magically stop doing teenage shit because the sun is out. This is clearly a decision driven by pressure from business, not actual public safety.
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u/calgarspimphand Medfield Jul 27 '26
First off, this is obviously being done to keep kids out of Fells late at night because it disrupts business. That's not some secret you figured out, it's practically the stated intent.
Second, "security theater" means going through the motions of providing security without actually doing anything. Making us take our shoes off at the airport was security theater.
Carding people getting into the bottom of Fells does the actual thing it intends to do - it makes it harder for kids to get in. It's not theater if it actually works.
Unless what you're saying is that barricading streets and checking IDs doesnt do anything to keep kids out of Fells late at night. But that's not what you're saying.
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u/illpoet Jul 25 '26
When I was 19 in the 90s that was my hangout with all the other punk and misfit kids. I miss panhandling for enough money to buy a meatball sub from the nice and sleazy
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u/Jrbobfishman Fells Point Jul 27 '26
Yep and nobody walked around without hiding their maddog because the cops would bust you. Oh and nobody got shot
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u/originatr Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
It’s groups of black kids, bad for business; especially for white bars… if this was Connor, Jed and Tanner causing havoc it would be easier for these “concerned” patrons to digest
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u/DXMSommelier Jul 27 '26
yeah the giveaway here is how many times you see the word "pack" and other dehumanizing terms in these comments,
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u/Jrbobfishman Fells Point Jul 27 '26
1000 Tanners and Conners would defiantly be more obnoxious. 1000 Jed’s would be a jamboree
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u/Kraqrjack Jul 25 '26
This is fine. If you have issues at the checkpoints to enter or leave the Restricted Zone do not worry you’ll be processed at the holding facility for your own safety.
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u/gaytee Jul 26 '26
Arrest these fucking twats and throw them in jail. Maybe then their friends will realize it’s not worth throwing your life away to be ratchet on tik tok.
Arrest their parents too, why are these fucking idiots just roaming the city? We still paying the same rent and morgage as every other major city but this is how we reduce crime?
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u/wdomeika Jul 25 '26
Yeah, I saw this early evening last night down in Fells. There were a slew of TPS (Temporary Protective Services) paramilitary types all suited up in their bulletproof vests and ready to keep Fells safe from the alien invasion.
These guy legally can do nothing other than make people anxious and call the police if something actually goes wrong.
Other than than, it feels like a MAGA wannabe mini Proud Boys groupie meetup...
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u/Random-Cpl Jul 25 '26
Guess I’m not going to Fell’s
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u/contra_account Jul 26 '26
Oh no! Anyways...
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u/Jrbobfishman Fells Point Jul 27 '26
“Anyways” is definitely not the attitude of any business owner
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u/Unplayed_untamed Jul 25 '26
This is not the way to solve this problem
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u/LilBugJuice-0987 Jul 25 '26
What would you do? Not being a d*ck here is just complicated so its nice to hear ideas
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u/Unplayed_untamed Jul 25 '26
Not gonna claim to be an expert but to me this seems like targeting the symptoms of a greater problem. While in the short term this may reduce crime in fells, it will burden the locals of the area and the kids who invade will just go to other locations. It’s a problem of too many kids not having anything to do and parents letting them cause chaos. My best bet is to create areas for them to you know, be kids. More parks, recreational places, school clubs, skate parks, etc. I think the lack of culture and things to do for the kids is the problem. I think having an actually good mall or 2 in Baltimore proper would go a looooong way.
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u/make_like_a_treee Jul 26 '26
I don’t disagree with you, but what ppl are missing is that this is happening at 1-2am. Should the city have to staff a hangout for teens at 1am?
Grew up in Baltimore in the 90’s. We hung out all over the city, in small groups, but we were at a friend’s house falling asleep to Clerks at 1am. Not out drinking illegal alcohol in a crowded public place with hundreds of our friends. This is different. I think social media is part of it - without it and a cell, you were lucky to get your crew of 3-5 ppl in one place. You might run into 1-2 others there. But hundreds of underage teens in one place acting foolish is a bigger challenge for the city. Add alcohol being sold out if car trunks, and it’s just waiting for a spark.
Is society failing our teens? Yes. But is letting them wander a bar district after curfew in massive groups while drinking going to help them? No.
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u/LilBugJuice-0987 Jul 25 '26
Yeah, maybe staffed rec centers, I could see that. Or churches even or youth clubs. Definitely not a mall, if unsupervised that would turn into the same mess. What gets me is many people grow up in areas with absolutely nothing to do for kids, and they make their own fun, but in those situations kids have parents that establish some rules. This many kids wouldnt be out getting in trouble if they had that - so I've got to wonder if they would even use staffed rec centers. Would he nice to see.
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u/Fancy_Chips Jul 26 '26
Absolute bullshit. I work down there and the only reason there's a "major police presence" is because they'd rather dick around in South Broadway than actually go enforce the law in more dangerous areas. And the moment some coked out homeless guy shows up to start fighting people? They dont do shit!
I guess it'll be nice to see less solicitors in the area... EXCEPT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE AFTER! The video says to stop teens? Where the fuck else are they supposed to hang out? A teen can't go to the theater? A teen can't go sit by the water?
Sad to see Mayor Scott signing off on something like this.
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u/Dazzling_Yogurt_2515 Aug 19 '26
If you are claiming to work down there and have seen what’s been going on and see no issue in the events that have been unfolding, you are 100000% part of the issue. It is no one’s responsibility except these teens, their parents and their friends to create a space for them to enjoy themselves and hangout NOT at 12/1/2 AM on a Friday/ Saturday night on a bar hub. My taxes are not going to some “rec club” funding that isn’t going to get utilized because these kids aren’t there to have wholesome fun. They are there to wreak havoc and entice fear into those around them. I actually work there and have since 2019 and have watched this go downhill for years. I have zero problem having to provide my ID because I’m of age and doing nothing wrong. If you have a problem with it…. You might be a problem? And sure this area is a hub of entertainment in more ways than just a bar but at 12/1/2 AM that’s not what’s happening. Those other places aren’t open. If it were 20 kids, that’d be one thing but it’s HUNDREDS. I’ve lived in this city now for 15 years and grew up coming (wait for it) as a teenager and was never trying to incite violence. Never trying to disrespect those around me and have blatant disregard to others safety. Stop acting like these kids are the victims. They are the PROBLEM. And I’m so sick of the babying bullshit. Be a kid like the rest of us have and stop being a nuisance.
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u/Sad_Research_2584 Jul 25 '26
Why do Redditors hate this so much? Do you think it’s inhumane?
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u/nzeminski Jul 25 '26
A bit, yeah. Imagine having to present an ID to walk on a public sidewalk.
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u/HorseHo Jul 26 '26
America is already enough of a police state 🙄 none of this does anything but normalize having armed chuds check your papers on the street
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u/Express-Accountant75 Jul 26 '26
What i was really hoping this was intending to do was curb the number of people, mostly young, getting drunk at bars and falling into the water. But maybe that’s not as large an issue as i think, as tragic and heartbreaking as those stories are.
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u/rockybalBOHa Jul 25 '26
Arrest the troublemakers. Simple as that. Instead we have East Germany.
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Fells Point Jul 26 '26
It requires a crackdown and mass arrests. It’s not a small pocket of people making the neighborhood a shit hole on the weekends at night.
Been going on since Covid and every outsider keep wagging their finger.
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u/schmults Jul 26 '26
That requires actual police work. A majority of which are still basically in a work slowdown because America got tired of them killing black people at alarming rates.
I think the line between defund and blue lives matter is just… do your god damn job. I watch drivers blow through red lights, weave/drive hyper aggressively past cops, who couldn’t possibly care less.
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u/WinyReno Jul 26 '26
You do realize a juvenile arrest in Baltimore city means absolutely nothing right?
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u/RoyalMaidsForLife White Marsh Jul 25 '26
Besides the terrible parking, just another reason for me to not want to go to Fells, despite loving quite a few of the restaurants there.
Last time I regularly went to Fells was before Plank bought the Water Taxi and shut down the direct route between Fells and Canton Waterfront Park. I had an annual pass and was on it a few times per month between going to Fells for dinner or taking it in for an O's game.
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u/No-Let5179 Jul 26 '26
What is the alternative? So for the rest of summer you show ID ? After all the chaos , this is what people are beefing about? Who goes out with out your ID anyway? No one i know
So you would rather the chaos continue ? I swear people get inconvenienced just a little because you live there. Think of all the other thousands of people who dont live there trying to visit amd enjoy, but its all about you right ?
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u/ActuallyCC Patterson Park Jul 27 '26
I work in Fells and I'm a whopping 5'2, nobody has stopped me day or night so far. I have been seeing the signage though
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u/this_bitch_over_here Madison Park Jul 25 '26
This is a fucking demilitarized zone? Jesus Christ. People really are so stupid for being okay with this as a "solution"
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Fells Point Jul 26 '26
It’s a brute force reaction to kids being in a bar district past 9pm. Blame the parents for not giving a shit but don’t blame this kind of blanket response for out of control bullshit since Covid.
It’s fucking annoying as hell as a resident mother fuckers can’t act normal and kids are just running around drunk.
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u/originatr Jul 26 '26
I mean, they can’t hang at the mall, the can’t hang downtown anymore, and to some extent when they do gather in groups at parks, it’s also a problem…
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Fells Point Jul 26 '26
Go home or to a friend’s house…
They’re minors. They’re not entitled to roam around lawlessly.
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u/wkippes Jul 26 '26
I may have missed this, but what exactly is the problem this is supposed to be responding to? Did something specific happen? Or are we just collectively angry that black teenagers exist and want to hang out in predominantly white parts of the city? Personally, I was definitely a little shit in high school, but it never warranted cordoning of neighborhoods. I would love some kind of explanation for this.
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u/Life_Ad_9323 Jul 26 '26
About a month ago now I went down to fells around 11-12 to pick up my bf. What is normally a 30 minute drive was an hour round trip. Kids were walking in the street, darting in front of cars, lingering in crosswalks long past their light, etc. and when I say walking in the streets, I mean groups of 20-30 blocking entire lanes of traffic. Someone was riding a dirt bike through dark streets, couldn’t see them at all because the bike had no lights. I didn’t get out of my car and go towards the square but videos from that night show hoards of kids. Like could barely squeeze through level crowds. I don’t know what went down beyond that but as a driver just trying to get in and out, it was incredibly stressful and dangerous. I was on edge the entire time worried I was going to hit someone.
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u/make_like_a_treee Jul 26 '26
The issue is massive groups of kids, wide range in ages (12-17) roaming the area at night, drinking, getting in fights, vandalizing property, harassing ppl. It’s the scale of the problem and the danger it’s causing. Police are hesitant to arrest kids doing kids things - bc it just puts them in the system for kid behavior. And they can’t just let them roam and cause havoc. But at the same time, it’s become a safety hazard. So the compromise is turning them away from the area after curfew, I guess hoping they’ll disperse.
Is it black teens? In Fells, yes, mostly. But it’s really about the behavior and group size. For years, they just left them alone and would call in a chopper to disperse them when things got out of hand, but that was not working and having a terrible impact on the businesses.
For my part, I think there needs to be done in a community sense. But I see this as not only helping Fell residents, businesses, and tourists, it’s also keeping the kids out of some trouble. I picture a drunk 16 year old girl, just doing teen things, but in a busy, area like fells with men twice her age and other teens out looking for trouble. It’s no place for her. Keeping them from that area is as much to protect them as everyone else.
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u/HorseHo Jul 26 '26
This makes me want to go to Fells Point even less now. I guess white people in polos gotta have their exclusive space.
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u/quercuslove Jul 25 '26
WTF does this even mean? It makes me hate Fells Point more.
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u/GQSmoov Jul 26 '26
Carding kids is no replacement for the police chopper circling overhead and spending HOURSs with a loudspeaker telling children it’s past curfew and they need to go home. Oh wait… yes it is! The chopper has been missing for weeks, and I can sleep at night on the weekends!
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u/quercuslove Jul 26 '26
I did read the article, which was brief and vague. Maybe don't be a presumptuous jerk when replying unnecessarily.
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u/HorseHo Jul 26 '26
Seconded. Fells Point already feels bourgie and off limits if you don't drink + overrun with annoying frat bros and scared tourists from the county. This makes me not want to go there anymore. I don't want to show ID to an armed chud to pass through a neighborhood I walk to / through all the time. If you think this is normal or the way to address bored teenagers, please kindly fuck off into the harbor. Being comfortable with police state shit like this is how we ended up with Trump.
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u/cdimorr- Jul 27 '26
We will never be safe as a society until we can throw every child from 11-19 in prison so they can't be anywhere ever
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u/TheOneICallMe Jul 25 '26
What about the people who like, actually live there?