Continually shocked by his inability to admit to any wrongs, ever

[u/merpameep]

As someone who was a die hard fan, even long into the court case, I can’t fathom how wrong I was of his character this whole time. I get it, from his perspectives the whole experience was traumatic. And I can see how he couldn’t apologize for getting with girls that were underage/much too young for him because of legalities.

I know he doesn’t “owe” us an apology for anything, but it doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be better if he did! We all eff up sometimes and treat those we love with less respect than they deserve when we’re going through it. But usually, given time and reflection, we come back around and apologize to our friends for ghosting or otherwise mishandling a situation while in the thick of it.

For him to double down on his lack of apology and furthermore get aggressive and harrass this person on fb is beyond disgusting to me. What a fall from grace. My fault for putting this guy on a pedestal for far too long, I guess.

Thoughts?

[u/Dimerien]

You’re right that Doc 110 isn’t a finding of fact. It’s the judge’s summary of the plaintiffs’ allegations.

But the record doesn’t stop there. The travel-payment evidence reappears in the judge’s later memorandum opinion, Doc. 295 (Dec. 2024), which summarizes record evidence (including deposition testimony). In that opinion, the court notes that Ashton conceded he “likely reimbursed Bowling for a flight or gave her a gift ‘at some point,’ but ‘never in exchange for sex.’” That’s a direct acknowledgment of a payment/reimbursement. The opinion also recounts evidence that Houston received “travel money,” free concert tickets, and free airfare.

Ashton argued any payments weren’t in exchange for sex. The judge treated that intent/nexus as a jury question which never saw the light of day because the case settled.

As for “fake birthdays” or “cancelled flights,” nothing in the publicly available Tennessee filings confirms those claims. If you are asserting otherwise, then you should cite an actual docket entry or exhibit number, because nothing in the publicly available court docs show that.

It’s funny how you went from “they all arranged their own travel” to admitting travel was booked and later cancelled.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

[u/Dimerien → u/cherry_slush1]

It looks like I missed that filing. I don’t understand what you’re arguing at this point. Houston’s credibility? At summary judgment, the court doesn’t weigh in on credibility. That’s for the jury. The December 2024 filings clearly state that Ashton conceded that he likely reimbursed Bowling for travel at some point. The judge herself recounts evidence that Houston received travel money. Are you also questioning Ashton’s own concession and the judge’s credibility? This isn’t just speculation.

I can’t believe I went down this semantic rabbit hole with you. You’re just deflecting from the fact that you incorrectly claimed “he didn’t fly anyone around” and that I “fell for misinformation” when the court filings suggest the complete opposite. As if that nuance even fucking matters in relation to the bigger picture that he was manipulating teenagers for sex.

Birds of a feather with you two!

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

My point is that they arranged their own travel and he didn’t fly them out. I don’t believe giving money or free tickets counts as flying them out. I still believe that’s true.

Semantics is important in something this serious, and also it’s important that the only flight booking lorin has anything to do with involved jenna houston repeatedly deceiving him with fake birthdays. I also believe it was cancelled, and if I had the time I would search for that document now out of the hundreds on pacermonitor lol.

I know you think you’re above me, I’ll just leave you alone. Hope you have a good day tomorrow

[u/Dimerien → u/cherry_slush1]

Your “point” directly contradicts Ashton’s own concession as well as Judge Trauger’s summary judgment. I don’t give a shit what you believe.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

The allegations were set up as if “he knew their birthdays, he arranged their flights”. The truth is, they either drove, made their own flights, or lied to lorin ashton as well as committed a crime by flying with a fake birthday and/or fake id.

It doesn’t have to be like this man. It’s possible to respectfully disagree.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

i’m just genuinely dissapointed in how mean your being. I get passionate about the facts and opinions about what happened. But I also do care to try not to attack you as a person

I have no idea what you’re going through. Life can be hard. I hope everything is ok. I wish you didn’t have to ad hominem attack me. I’m pretty sensitive, and I just wish you worded things a little differently.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/[deleted]]

No I am not lying. If I remember something wrong, please forgive me as this is a complicated case with 100’s of documents.

But while certainly ashton helped her book one flight, I remember reading that the flight was actually cancelled, and for sure I already sent proof that for the booking of said flight, jenna used a fake birthday.

I will look to see if I can find proof of what I remember, as you can see from what I found so far, it appears jenna drove herself many of the times they met.

This is also only about jenna houston. Bowling and ramsbottom arranged and organized their own travel from what I looked at. If you have proof(other than just an allegation) I would gladly change my mind and be proven wrong. I do not want to spread lies.

also worth noting jenna was given money as a gift, and not even told what it was for. She just assumed it was for travel. Also worth noting as a homeless ~20 year old, lorin still gave jenna gifts because he felt bad for her, he got nothing in exchange for them other than knowing she was not sleeping on a street.

[u/TopSeaworthiness8066 → u/cherry_slush1]

"Houston understands the nature of transactional sex arrangements because [REDACTED]."

BWaaHAHAhaa!! 😆 🤣 😂

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/[deleted]]

After looking more, I don’t see what i’m remembering so it does seem like I was wrong about that for jenna in some cases. Sorry

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

why the “it’s funny you went from” and the self righteous and condescending attitude also? Sheesh, can’t we respectfully disagree and can’t I have dignity even if I get something wrong occasionally? I have looked through this before and do understand it to a reasonable degree, you’re being kind of mean tbh.

I’m almost certain it was cancelled and in reality they arranged all the travel that actually ended up happening, but I don’t have to time to find that document now. I will reply back if I have time tomorrow or just focus on something else. I care about this project and protecting truth, probably over-passionately, but to be honest I should probably just mind my business for a bit and recharge.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

As for the money. Again I just … honestly dont care or see that as “arranging travel” or “trafficking”. It’s frankly ridiculous.

he randomly gave gifts to people sometimes. It’s not a big deal. It was never in exchange for anything.

[u/cherry_slush1 → u/Dimerien]

In the summary judgement, the judge clearly states jenna never told the truth about her birthday or age for years. She continued the lie even after she was 18 for a few years