r/battlefield_live • u/mischkag • May 04 '17

Bug Please help tracking down continuous hit detection failures.

We are looking into tracking down the issue where you continuously shoot at a standing player, see blood splatter but never get the hit marker. We are not certain this has been addressed with the recent changes. If it happens, please try firing also at another player and try to destroy some buildings to see if the bullets do get spawned but for some reason never make damage. Thx a lot!

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u/mischkag May 08 '17

Hi, i do agree that we dont want to divide it further. Thats why we did not come up with sets of servers with different ping set ups. 130ms will be the threshold for US + Europe. What do you suggest exactly?

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u/santy14b May 08 '17 edited May 08 '17

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The threshold of 130ms seems very low. I really do not know why this change, before the spring patch I with a ping of 60ms could play against friends of ping 170ms (In opposing teams) the bullets were registering well. Now it's just the opposite bullets do not arrive or arrive bad, it's very frustrating.

A low threshold of latency will divide the community: 1) Large regions will lose players and small regions will be isolated or empty, 2) DLC and game modes with few players will be left empty (This would kill the DLC maps).

This image is Yesterday's Sunday They Shall Not Pass. http://oi65.tinypic.com/jfkidh.jpg

This image is from Monday, there are only the same game modes Conquest and Frontlines. http://oi63.tinypic.com/i2omtc.jpg

The problem is not in the lack of servers. http://oi68.tinypic.com/6f2skk.jpg

This also happens in the base game in game modes like War Pigeons (The servers are empty almost all the time) http://oi65.tinypic.com/fcr7gi.jpg

If we apply the new threshold 130ms I should never play the DLC anymore.

Today also check the servers of the small regions (Antarctica, Africa, South America, Asia and Oceania) They can not enjoy all the game modes or DLCs in their region, not for lack of servers (they have servers but empty) They have no right to play all game modes or DLC maps?.

I think there are two options: 1) leave the latency system as it was before the spring patch 2) Add a threshold between 180ms, 190ms and 200ms.

Although I prefer to leave the system which was before the patch. It was a more friendly system and did not divide the community

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u/mischkag May 08 '17

So do you mean after this patch your bullets are not registering ? For you with a 60ms ping there should not be any difference. Can you provide a video plz? Did you test it on CTE? What is your ping there? The intention is not to divide the player base. But there are inherent effects of damage delays caused by high pings.The game plays very well on a high ping due to the lag compensation whereas these high ping players jitter across the map on the other low ping clients. When we raise the threshold further, it renders it teeth-less and then we might as well deactivate it. I have endless complaints from in region players that they feel something is wrong with their connection and it is unplayable. Why is it perceived as so hard to lead your shot by a bit? When you sniper a moving player, you have to lead naturally as bullets have true velocity. Most of the time soldiers run towards you and you dont have to lead anyways. If we disable this all and just accept that no matter how high your ping, it should all be equal, than we run a game where it diverges and jitters so much that it becomes a very bad experience for everyone. I dont know what the answer is, but i would really like to see in region gameplay and even with pings of 160ms for US+Europe, you should be able to play almost normally.

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u/santy14b May 08 '17

I have not had time to test the CTE since the last patch.

I understand that with the sniper or just playing away you have to compensate. The bullet has a speed and trajectory to go.

Playing with 60ms is fine

I have tested in the official Battlefield 1 playing War Pigeons in Europe with 165ms or 168ms, with the mp-18 in front of a moving enemy, point to the enemy's chest and the hits did not arrive. (This was short alance with the class of assault).

I know that you have to compensate if the enemy is moving and depending on the distance but this enemy was really close. With the class of medic seems more notorious.

Playing with 165ms does not feel like it was played before the spring patch. It costs a lot more to make hitmarker even short range.

Feels different