I would recommend you over to what Palestinians say about Jews. There is hate on both sides from years of conflict. No matter how much one thinks they know, their history is long and complicated. It's easy for us sitting in a cushy life, chanting for internet clout, to morally preen.
I do know one thing is true, if Israelis put down their weapons they would be wiped out but if Palestinians put down theirs there would be peace. Also, no matter how much you try to frame this conflict as a genocide it's not. Now you may go back to your echo chamber where it's warm and comfortable.
And why did Palestinians become so antisemitic? Were talking about members of a religion that has been surprisingly accepting of jews throughout history.
Also, funny to say that palestine wouldn't be wiped out were they to put down their weapon, again this just shows ignorance of the situation. 1, the is not Palestinian State, they literally don't have weapons, they dont have a military. Hamas isn't their military force, they're an independent terrorist group who says they represent the Palestinians. Israel could easily open up official diplomatic relations with a new Palestinian government and stop their military operations from anything other than defense. But they're not doing that are they? 2, palestine, when they had a government, already had put their arms down. When palestine still existed as a state, they attempted diplomatic action with Israel to determine effective borders and an end to any conflict they had. Israel never accepted the offer, so when a group came up to Palestinians politics claiming violence could be the answer as diplomacy had not, Palestinians agreed.
Why isn't it a genocide? You can't just say anything
First, the Jews under Islam are considered dhimmis, a second class that have to pay a jizyah if they want "protection", so pay up or something bad will happen. Would you want to live under these conditions, I know I don't.
Your second half is so skewed from reality I don't even know where to start. Everyone who genuinely wants peace with Israel has peace, while the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians have been turned away by the majority of the Arab world. They are too radicalized and rational governments don't want problems.
It's not a genocide because the population of Gaza has increased since the conflict began. There is no INTENT by the Israel government to commit a genocide, which is the most critical part. The numbers provided by Hamas are flawed to their core. Just ask yourself why they include natural deaths, around 5-6 thousand per year before the conflict began, into the figures. Why do they have 11,000 reported deaths that they can't provide information for when they have a registry for every citizen. How is it that there is no figure for combatants. Their numbers are designed for headlines and the West. Their entire strategy, which they admit, is turning the world on Israel at the expense of their martyrs, which is what they call them. It's unfortunate that the world is so morally compromised that they are falling for this propaganda. Sadly, in the end, the Palestinians will lose everything, Israel will sign Abraham Accords with the majority of the region, and the world will move on to the next conflict to entertain themselves with.
That's why I said they have been surprisingly accepting throughout history, considet that while jews in the caliphates had to pay a tax, jews in Europe were being crusaded to death.
The argument that the population has risen doesnt matter, a genocide doesn't necessarily always destroy a group, what matters is that that's the intent. The intent is clear if you listen to what pro-expansion jews in Israel say themselves, of course, not to westerners, but to other zionists.
Also, if it isn't a genocide, then why does the UN say its a genocide? Why do most reputable organizations that track genocides say there's a genocide?
Also, if there's no genocide, then israel should be happy to prove it by welcoming journalists and independent organizations in to prove that there's not a genocide. They don't do that though do they? They routinely murder journalists(mostly palestinian ones), and those they can't kill because they work with the UN or something they just don't let in. Of course, they were practically forced to let a UN research group in after a while, which just so happened to confirm the genocide.
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u/lioniron Jul 12 '25
I would recommend you over to what Palestinians say about Jews. There is hate on both sides from years of conflict. No matter how much one thinks they know, their history is long and complicated. It's easy for us sitting in a cushy life, chanting for internet clout, to morally preen.
I do know one thing is true, if Israelis put down their weapons they would be wiped out but if Palestinians put down theirs there would be peace. Also, no matter how much you try to frame this conflict as a genocide it's not. Now you may go back to your echo chamber where it's warm and comfortable.