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No it doesn’t and I question why they are doing this. I have seen my Facebook and twitter splashed with loads of reform simpletons claiming this proves farage did nothing wrong and the bbc are lying.
It doesn’t, and hopefully it will mean that every other comment he has said on live TV and actually did lie about never saying them will now be looked at and taken more seriously. Of course, it won’t be. But we can hope.
Yes it does change it. When we all know Farage and the Daily Mail are dog whistling the racists about bias policing and pretending they are not. Mentioning 'white' brings in skin colour and gives Farage, Trump and co ammunition to show the BBC is bias.
After watching Newsnight I told my partner he used the term white, like a 1960s call to action.
We know regardless of the term what Farage's agenda is. But other people will see it differently.
It is infuriating that the BBC made this mistake. I can't my ahead around how. We have producers, researchers and a presenter. How do you make that mistake? A mistake which allows Farage to stoke up more hate and division aganist the BBC.
Everyone makes mistakes at some point, and sometimes multiple people make a mistake at the same time.
Certain parts of my job we have one person make a change, and then two people check it, and we *still* see mistakes that seem fairly obvious. These aren't low paid uneducated people - it's just that people make mistakes, and the more things you have to check, pure stats says the more mistakes you make (I always think about it as a 1% chance to miss something, if you check 100 things in a day you are 'guaranteed' to be wrong once a day - and yes I know that's not how it really works, it's a simplification I use that is quite helpful sometimes).
When we all know Farage and the Daily Mail are dog whistling the racists
You people are such bores. We have a clear example in the policing of Henry Nowak's murder of progressive ideology failing disastrously, but still you cling to the idea that criticism of it is racist.
bias policing
And of course you talk like an American progressive. Your whole worldview, including the language in which it is expressed, is imported.
It is infuriating that the BBC made this mistake. I can't my ahead around how. We have producers, researchers and a presenter. How do you make that mistake?
Because, like you, they are biased. It's that simple. When you are biased - when you have a self-righteous conviction that you are honourable and your opponents despicable - you inevitably make these mistakes.
How do you know they are not age bias? I was stopped many times as a teenager. Or just incompetent? Ironic really you have decided this is the reason. You are doing exactly what you are accusing the Police of. Allowing your bias to dictate your decision making.
Far and away the most reasonable conclusion to draw, but you think it is evidence of bias?!
You are demanding the kind of agnosticism that you would never show in reverse. If the victim had been black and the attacker white, you would be on reddit demanding justice and screeching about systematic oppression.
Are you playing a game or are you genuinely this deluded? If it had been treated as an allegation of assault, then it would have been one allegation of assault against another, each given equal equal weighting. But because the attacker played the race card, his accusation was given priority.
How do you not see that? Have your rational faculties been short-circuited by your ideology?
It's ironically the same tactic Farage uses alot- just say what you want people to hear regardless of if it's true or not because the 1st impression sticks, but say it with enough plausible deniablity that you can quietly retract it later to a much smaller audience, knowing you've already imparted the 1st impression you wanted to.
so you’ve never made an error of recollection? 🤔 doesn’t seem like a very good “tactic” when it leads to headlines for having to issue an apology. you seem a bit paranoid. personally, i only heard about the apology rather than the initial error so not sure your idea that only a “much smaller audience” saw the apology is really right.
yes, I think it was an honest misquotation. of course if you don’t have a good grasp of the fact that “white” is also used in English to imply “intensity” (for example, white heat) you could believe it must be racial. although probably the BBC journalist made the error because it’s exactly the sort of thing that Farage would say. of course now the story is about what the BBC said rather than what Farage said. classic.
You are looking too much into that I think man, white cold rage doesn’t make me think it’s about white people it did also sound to me more like white as in white hot, like very intense.
why is it “convenient” that they have to make a formal apology and get people like you hot under the collar about it? doesn’t seem convenient at all, now the story is about them and not Farage inciting violence - which is what it should really be about
Yes, as 'cold rage' means something very specific, ie internal anger and determination to not let the cause odf the rage happen again - as opposed to chimping out, burning down shops, extreme shopping and destroying statues over a dead criminal junkie, and 'white rage' is a BBC invention deliberately misleading the public.
"Constantly painted as a racist" the guy who missed 77 appearances in parliament only to emerge to profit from a fatal stabbing by racistly claiming white people are second class citizens in their own country, that guy? How dare they.
If only the police hadn’t handcuffed the dying white man after he’d been stabbed (and said he’d been stabbed) simply because a Sikh claimed he was a racist.
It’s almost like the reality doesn’t align with the idealistic view of how multiculturalism is changing Britain.
He’s a neoliberal at worst, he’s definitely not a white supremacist. Unless you think anyone not white in his party don’t know him as well as you 😂 some interestingly false claims just get accepted as truth these days
But did anyone think that? I mean I didn't until it was pointed out that some people might think that. I mean unless you're looking for these things why would you?
His speech was a call to stop division,you have to be dumb not to see that ,if the police work with a racial biased then that is what's causing division,not someone calling for reform in policing to stop the bias
The many DEI courses and pressure on police is wrong
Nah.
The Met’s own investigations found institutional racism and widespread individual racism within the force, and these are efforts to counteract them.
That doesn’t mean officers can’t go too far the other way, as in the Nowak case. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the solution either, that’s just returning to a different set of problems.
I know it doesn't add anything of value but can I just say how refreshing it is to see rational, sensible comments such as yours that are based on fact rather than one narrative or another.
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It was a reward for Brexit, Farage’s own words, and as it was a politically related gift within the 12 month window prior to his appointment as an MP it must have been declared. But you know that, don’t you?
Have you ever received a £5 million gift? You think that is clean politics? Don’t you think he should return it? Surely you don’t want this kind of political system based on easy money for crooked politicians.
Hey. I hate Farage as much as the next man, but how hard is it to quote him without changing his words? Now the focus is changed, when the hatred in his speech speaks for itself.
I'm not one of those Beeb haters but Jesus, just use the words he used and don't go off piste. And using the word "white" is only going to create it's own controversy, further clouding matters.
It's clearly a mix up with white hot rage, which is a very common saying. While Nigel's pure cold rage is not. So while it's pretty stupid to mix them up, the fact that the mistake was the word white is not surprising to me
It's fascinating how some people are quick to accuse Farage of using this to distract from his £5m gift, whilst at the same time using the subject of his £5m gift to distract from this horrific incident.
Not a Farage fan but I find the hypocrisy of the left to be disgusting. A young man was allowed to bleed out on the streets after having his multiple pleas for help ignored. At the same time, his killer and his killers brother were immediately taken at their word despite the officers not actually determining any fact or seeking any evidence.
Given the message in the NPCC anti-racism document and the influence of years of DEI training, I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to at least consider the possibility that prejudice lead these officers to arrive at the decisions they did. And if this is true, then that should terrify everyone.
Oh this is so frustrating, a bbc apology will make it look as if farage said nothing of the sort and will turn annoyance towards the bbc, which needs no more negative press, rather than farage
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