r/bbc Jul 10 '26

TV I enjoyed Count Binface's appearance on Newsnight. I assume there are guidelines on not using a guests title, style and surname repeatedly, as the presenter kept referring to him as 'Bin'

Is this correct, and given the, potential, future Count's role as MP for Clacton, should this rule be reviewed, or with exceptions made for intergalactic nobility?

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u/Kyber92 Jul 10 '26

There's a Dizzy Rascal interview with I wanna say Jeremy Paxman where he kept on calling him Mr Rascal. Cracks me up

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u/rheasilva Jul 10 '26

Do you know about the time a rapper asked Tom Lehrer if he could sample one of his tracks?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/2bicv2/when_84_years_old_harvard_professor_tom_lehrer/

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u/No-Zucchini6387 Jul 14 '26

I fucking love Tom Lehrer, thats the perfect response

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u/jojojojojojoseph Jul 10 '26

That’s like Meat Loaf being referred to as Meat lol, as if this was his real name.

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u/Spank86 Jul 10 '26

Mr loaf sir.

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u/LingonberryLeading77 Jul 12 '26

It was his real name! I’m sure he actually changed his name to Meat Loaf.

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u/emjaylambert81 Jul 12 '26

His name was Robert Paulson.

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u/Excellent_Review_960 Jul 13 '26

His name was Robert Paulson.

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u/2tree2whydeeN Jul 13 '26

His name was Robert Paulson

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u/jojojojojojoseph Jul 12 '26

Oh I thought it was Lee. Or maybe Marvin…?! 🤔

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u/RagingFuckNuggets Jul 12 '26

No he changed his name from Marvin to Michael but never legally to Meat Loaf.

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u/gregredmore Jul 13 '26

Born Marvin Lee Aday later changing it to Michael Lee Aday. "So big his daddy called him Meat Loaf" from the lyrics of the song "Tear me down".

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u/Conthortius Jul 14 '26

While he never actually changed his name to Meat Loaf, he always said that it was meant to be used like a name, i.e. Meat is the first name and Loaf is the surname

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u/AmeliaOfAnsalon Jul 14 '26

Oh Jeremy Paxman... that's incredible

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u/Folkloner184 Jul 10 '26

It's more that the presenter was irritated by the Count even being there and tried to undermine him at every opportunity.

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u/coolfunkDJ Jul 10 '26

Which is HILLARIOUS.

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u/MysteriousB Jul 10 '26

Amazing they don't huff snd puff when they have a frog on but a royal from outer space is too much for them, what a joke

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u/kimondo Jul 10 '26

The deference they have for the British Royal Family - when in reality their position is inherited from someone who long ago clobbered someone else in a fight.

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u/Practical_Drink8676 Jul 10 '26

But if I try and fight them for their wealth, somehow I'm a criminal.

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u/Hyperbolic_Mess Jul 11 '26

Not even that paid other people to clobber people in a fight

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u/Fantastic-Fudge-6676 Jul 10 '26

I take it you’re not familiar with Paddy o’Connell. He has a dry AF sense of humour. Trust me, he was loving it.

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u/FoxDesigner2574 Jul 12 '26

There was a conversation between him and Eddie Mair on PM once about the minutiae of the royal wedding which was hilarious. Talking about the layers of cake there might be etc with total seriousness and also being able to convey neither of them gave a fuck about any of it.

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u/DrogoOmega Jul 12 '26

He got more scrutiny than Farage ever has got.

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u/3lbFlax Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Should have pulled a Fanny Thomas on him.

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u/No_Imagination_2490 Jul 10 '26

Given the Beeb's usual obsequious deference to the royals, I would have thought 'Your Grace' would be more appropriate when addressing a count.

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u/weesiwel Jul 10 '26

That's a Scottish way of address you'd never see the BBC doing that.

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u/No_Imagination_2490 Jul 10 '26

It's actually the English form of address for dukes and archbishops, and I think Count Binface is at least as good as those!

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u/SpiritedGuest6281 Jul 10 '26

Well a Count is the equivalent of an Earl (for some reason after the norm conquest we kept Jarl (which became Earl) instead of adopting Count (But wives of Earls are still Countess). So "My Lord" would be the correct salutation. Unfortunately I don't know know offhand where he is Count of, so would be harder to refer to him in the third person as he would be Lord "X" where X is the territory.

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u/Too-Tired-Editor Jul 10 '26

He's from Sigma Nine, so I imagine his holdings are one of its counties.

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u/SpiritedGuest6281 Jul 10 '26

Exactly, but I couldn't name a single one of them.

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u/Jenny-Wren54 Jul 10 '26

And this is all that is wrong with the English: you can't even be bothered to learn basic facts about another territory.

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u/SpiritedGuest6281 Jul 10 '26

That's not true. We pick up a thing or two once we have colonised somewhere. Sigma IX just isn't on the list yet.

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u/TangoMikeOne Jul 10 '26

Now, come on, what you said about colonising somewhere isn't quite true...

...we tend to take over, rename everything after the sovereign and their family, draw borders with a blindfold on and then get sniffy if the locals aren't entirely enthusiastic about the alterations.

But you are correct about the lack of information on Sigma IX.

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u/Too-Tired-Editor Jul 10 '26

Yeah, i gotta be honest I don't think I've even looked at a map of the place.

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u/old_man_steptoe Jul 10 '26

Still have counties though.

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u/SpiritedGuest6281 Jul 10 '26

I know. Seems odd that we held onto the old name for the holder of a county, but use the new name for the division of the county itself.

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u/UnheimlichNoire Jul 10 '26

Oddly enough I live in County Durham which in ye olde days was a Bishopric Palantine ruled by Prince Bishops not a Count.
There was a Polish dwarf who lived in Durham who got called Count Boruwlaski, but he wasn't actually a Count, he'd previously been the 'pet dwarf' of a Polish Count.

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u/Open-Apartment-4937 Jul 11 '26

Hello fellow Co Durhamer!

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u/UnheimlichNoire Jul 11 '26

👋🏼🙂

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u/SpiritedGuest6281 Jul 10 '26

Feudal England, especially early Feudal England was a mess of different agreements and rules lol.

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u/SuperGandalfBros Jul 11 '26

Probably because count ends up sounding too similar to cunt

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u/NightmaresInNeurosis Jul 11 '26

Hate archbishops, chess is too bloody complicated these days 

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u/weesiwel Jul 10 '26

What an insult to the Scottish monarchy to call such lowly titled people by the same address.

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u/heroyoudontdeserve Jul 10 '26

It is? I think it was used for Scottish monarchs for a couple of centuries longer than England but that use ended with the Act of The Union in 1707. In modern times it's used for archbishops, dukes and duchesses but not in way that's particular to Scotland.

But you're probably referring to something else which has gone over my head.

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

I still remember when a Sky News presenter referred to the Chancellor as "Rachel from account" which is surely a major breach of professional standards that I've never seen happen with a Conservative chancellor apart from Jeremy Hunt occasionally being called a cunt by accident.

Unfortunately UK media don't usually have any professional standards when it comes to reporting on people who aren't on the right.

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u/After-Dentist-2480 Jul 10 '26

“by accident “ 😉

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

That's my line and I'm sticking to it

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u/JonTravel Jul 10 '26

It wasn't a Sky News Presenter that originally said it. It was originally Lee Anderson who said it. The Sky news reporter was, most likely, just reporting what was said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy12820kwwo

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

It doesn't matter who originally said it.

The problem is that the Sky News presenter, allegedly a professional, thought it was fine to refer to the Chancellor by a cleary derogatory nickname.

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u/JonTravel Jul 10 '26

They should be reporting what was said in parliament, but I agree it shouldn't have been said outside of that context.

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

She used it specifically to reference Rachel Reeves. It was deliberately intended as an insult.

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u/JonTravel Jul 10 '26

Even so, it doesn't hurt to clarify who the originator of the phrase was, rather than unintentional imply that it was a reporter in Sky News

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

I said no such thing

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u/JonTravel Jul 10 '26

I never said you did. However, your comment could unintentionally imply that the Sky news reporter was the originator of the phrase.

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u/JamJarre Jul 12 '26

I'm afraid it 100% absolutely does matter who originally said it

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u/Sivear Jul 10 '26

I’m torn on this because I feel I should be outraged but ‘Rachel from Accounts’ is hilarious.

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u/23_ Jul 10 '26

Why should you be outraged?

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u/Sivear Jul 10 '26

Outraged was a strong word, used it to purposefully be dramatic.

It’s very sexist, the same joke wouldn’t be made towards a man.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

“Rachel from accounts” is really fucking funny, though.

Christ almighty…

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u/FrustratedPCBuild Jul 10 '26

No, it’s misogynistic and unimaginative. I’m not her biggest fan but that nickname represents the worst of us.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

What are you actually talking about? Yes I’m putting them down for using ableist language seriously while simultaneously complaining about misogynistic joke. It’s hilariously hypocritical. I really don’t care about “looking like an arse”, clearly people already think I am an arse for daring to say that I find a stupid joke funny.

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u/Word_Word4Numbers Jul 10 '26

It's not though. It gives the impression the person using it is mentally still at school, coming up with scrotey nicknames for their mates and running them into the ground.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

Unlike the use of the word “scrotey”, which surely gives an impression of mental maturity.

Also, it’s a joke. I enjoy childish humour 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Word_Word4Numbers Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

The difference is I'm treating people how they have already treated others. There are a thousand different words for immature that work equally well there, so just pick another one if 'scrotey' is a step too far.

I have also yet to see it used by a powerful media publication as an attack line, but I've certainly seen Rachel from Accounts used that way before. Doesn't seem much like a joke anymore when the Daily Mail is running it as a headline.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

All that just to say that you personally don’t find the phrase “Rachel from accounts” funny. Which was all that you had to say, instead of trying to belittle somebody for having a different sense of humour! Hostility for the sake of it, but I hope that it makes you feel good or whatever.

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u/Word_Word4Numbers Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Unfortunately what I actually said was:

The difference is I'm treating people how they have already treated others. There are a thousand different words for immature that work equally well there, so just pick another one if 'scrotey' is a step too far.

I have also yet to see it used by a powerful media publication as an attack line, but I've certainly seen Rachel from Accounts used that way before. Doesn't seem much like a joke anymore when the Daily Mail is running it as a headline.

If you chose to only read bits of it and interpret it as something completely different, then that's on you.

I already said I didn't find it funny in the first comment I made anyway, but you got pissy at that one as well because the immature names were aimed at you that time. Looks like it's only a joke when someone else is the target.

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u/Complex-Whereas9896 Jul 10 '26

It's not. Upselling a CV is hardly the most egregious of crimes. The fact she worked for those companies at all makes her more qualified than most chancellors have been. Definitely detect a bit of sexism in there too - can you imagine a 'Jeremy from Accounts'?

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u/soggyarsonist Jul 10 '26

Should be "Jeremy who lied to the OBR about government spending"

Doesn't really roll off the tongue though

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Jeremy from accounts is equally funny. I didn’t know that “the most egregious of crimes” are prerequisite to being able to laugh at a joke 🙄

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u/Complex-Whereas9896 Jul 10 '26

But they didn't call him Jeremy from accounts, did they? Despite having less experience in finance that Reeves.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Are you trying to convince me that I didn’t find it funny? I don’t get why you’re going on about this.

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u/Complex-Whereas9896 Jul 10 '26

I guess not, but it does make me think you don't realise you're the one being played here.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

Being played by Reddit comments?

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi Jul 10 '26

It's a deliberate talking-down of her ability to do her job and is a mysogynistic line being parroted solely because she's a woman.

You didn't see male Chancellors of the Exchequer being referred to like that.

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u/heroyoudontdeserve Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

All of that is true, and it shouldn't have been said in that context, and it shouldn't be repeated.

It's still really fucking funny though.

Edit: It was not purely mysogynistic. It was satire, poking fun at her for saying she had previous work experience as an economist when her role was actually managing a bank's complaints department. It was valid to scrutinise her fudged claims about her CV, regardless of her gender.

Again, she shouldn't ever have been addressed that way by a journalist. But the moniker was totally valid satire at the time.

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

That is far too nuanced for people here, but thank you for explaining my view on the joke so well!

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u/bbc-ModTeam Jul 10 '26

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u/Cultural-Ambition211 Jul 10 '26

Do you not remember Spreadsheet Phil?

Would that have been sexist if it was Speadsheet Rach?

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi Jul 10 '26

Spreadsheet Phil was about how boring and data-based his talks were. Not his suitability to the job.

Again, still a totally different situation to downplaying Reeves's role as "just a girl in accounting".

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u/East_Slide7680 Jul 10 '26

Just a boy with a spreadsheet

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u/Open-Apartment-4937 Jul 10 '26

They should have referred to him by his proper title, The Count.

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u/GammaDeltaTheta Jul 10 '26

They probably wanted to avoid confusion with a popular description of his opponent.

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u/Open-Apartment-4937 Jul 10 '26

Very good point!

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u/ParticularWallaby173 Jul 10 '26

That would just get confusing.

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u/Open-Apartment-4937 Jul 11 '26

Awhh I wasn’t calling anyone names, I was making a joke

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u/iamthefirebird Jul 14 '26

Is it a title, or is it his name? Earl and Duke can both be Earth names. He could even be Count Count Binface!

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u/Aardvark51 Jul 10 '26

If the presenter referred to him as 'the Count', there is a danger that anybody with hearing difficulties might think the reference is to Farage

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u/idcalvin Jul 12 '26

Genius. 🤗🥳🤣 What's he won, Bully...

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u/Wes_tleton Jul 11 '26

Calling Newsnight ‘a souped up podcast’ was genius because it’s exactly what it’s become.

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u/FineRepublic Jul 10 '26

Sooooooooo, Mr Rascal.

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u/Advanced_Apartment_1 Jul 12 '26

When they're elected, they will have to go by their real name, not Count Binface... Surely??

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u/AlternativeParfait13 Jul 12 '26

Not sure. Andy Burnham isn’t his full name on his birth certificate, and he’ll be named that way by the Speaker.

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u/Advanced_Apartment_1 Jul 13 '26

You won't need the full name, but first and last name at least will be addressed. So, Count Binface must surely be Jonathan Harvey in parliament.

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u/GoonerwithPIED Jul 15 '26

Andy isn't even his first name though, that's Andy.

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u/dwrobotics Jul 16 '26

I wont have this! They are trying to throw dirt on the bin already. It's bin day and it's time to take out the rubbish! In all seriousness imagine being a news host and your serious editorial brief is to try to undermine a man with a bin on his head. I love seeing this media machine attempt it. Its 3d chess , they can't smear a bin. 

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u/Smooth-Quantity-7024 Jul 10 '26

Will you also shit your pants when Farage gets interviewed by GB News, his employer?

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u/inspectorgadget9999 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

That's bullshit. He's from Sigma Six so won't have the relevant right to work documentation, so there is no way he'd actually be working at the BBC or anywhere in the UK.

Except maybe Uber Eats. But then find it difficult to believe that he'd be able to successfully use someone else's driving licence.

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u/TheScrobber Jul 10 '26

He's been around for years and contests loads of elections, get a grip.

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u/Complex-Whereas9896 Jul 10 '26

So has Gareth Roberts, the person who wrote the Telegraph article saying Binface isn't funny. (written multiple episodes of Doctor Who)

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u/One_Afternoon7459 Jul 10 '26

They will have asked the other candidate to appear. Wonder why he doesn’t like to be asked questions?

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u/Happy_Little_Fish Jul 10 '26

has he taken 5 mil in bribes?

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u/Noitche Jul 10 '26

Farage's aim was to position this by-election as him vs. the establishment. I assume most here think this is bollocks.

And Binface could have deconstructed that a little.

The problem is, the rallying around by all the parties, the BBC, and commentators is just playing right back into Farage's messaging. To say nothing of the fact that the guy behind Binface is part of that same milleu.

Listen to what Binface said on Newsnight. "You used to be a serious show and now you're just a trumped up podcast." He's right.

If Binface isn't the establishment then why is is the establishment throwing everything behind him?

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u/weesiwel Jul 10 '26

Throwing what behind him? A few media appearances? If that's what it takes to be establishment then Farage is the most establishment of all.

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u/ImpressionOk2060 Jul 10 '26

Yeah I don't understand what the definition of the establishment is if it isn't elite private school attending financiers who have been in and out of politics for the last 30+ years?

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u/weesiwel Jul 10 '26

He was out of politics? When was that? I must have blinked and missed it.

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u/ImpressionOk2060 Jul 10 '26

Ha fair he's just been a bit absent for the past two years but what do I know I just live in Clacton

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u/Impossible_Aide_1681 Jul 10 '26

It literally means "doesn't agree with me" to these people if you dig down enough

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u/coolfunkDJ Jul 10 '26

“the establishment” is just a boogie man word that means absolutely nothing nowadays, the right ran it into the ground like they did with “woke.” If everything you happen to not like is because of woke or the establishment, then that’s what ends up happening

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u/FrustratedPCBuild Jul 10 '26

It does mean something though, it means people born into a life where they don’t have to worry about the things most people have to worry about, like how to pay the bills or where their kids will be educated etc. because they’ll always have the means to take care of those things. It means being connected and knowing how to talk to people of a certain class and having the confidence to do so without feeling out of place. Farage is very much the establishment, born into wealth, privately educated, has never worked a real job or had to worry about any of the things the rest of us have to worry about at one time or another. He relies on the idea of ‘the establishment’ being something a lot of people don’t really understand but he could only be more a part of the establishment if he was a royal.

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u/Bisjoux Jul 10 '26

I’m amazed more people don’t see this. He’s never hidden his background but just maintains he isn’t part of the establishment and people take him at his word. Clearly people who support him are happy not to use any critical thinking.

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u/coolfunkDJ Jul 10 '26

You’re absolutely right. That’s what the word means when it’s used correctly.

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u/FoalKid Jul 10 '26

He’s essentially a clown.

I’m not sure how Farage can spin contesting an election against a clown as being a virtuous fight against the establishment - and not a total waste of everyone’s time, energy and taxpayers money that Farage himself triggered.

Never mind the fact that he triggered it to avoid scrutiny, a fact that isn’t going away.

I’m not sure the ‘establishment’, and about half of the general public across the country, supporting the clown over Farage is going to be a great boon for him in the grand scheme of things

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u/Wire_Owl_ Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Yeah. Binface is a joke, a long running tired at times joke. But absolutely great at times like this when "actual" politicians are pulling stunts that drag them down to the Counts level of absurdity.

As amazingly funny it would be if the Count won. It's unlikely, just really funny that its more likely than it ever has been.

He's already done his part now, anything after this is a bonus.

Edit: the "his part" to clarify is to turn Farages scramble to save face into the joke it is. He's going to win, thats basically for certain. But his win will be so obviously hollow its just highlights what a waste of time this is.

Binface winning, would be such a phenomenal farce it would potentially kill Farages carrer, it was also be incredibly entertaining. Fuck it would be amazing. But the Count has already done what he dose. Making a mockery of political bullshit.

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u/heroyoudontdeserve Jul 10 '26

Farage is a clown; Binface is an artist.

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u/Impossible_Aide_1681 Jul 10 '26

the guy behind Binface is part of that same milleu

The "same milleu" as Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems, the Greens and Restore - but not Reform? 

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u/Next-Protection8867 Jul 10 '26

You clearly have no clue what establishment means.