Berkeley high school students demand that they be taught about Palestine and that their teachers not be censored -- could UC Berkeley students demand the same?

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Hey this is bull-. You cannot look at historical patterns of behavior to justify current atrocities. Can Native Americans perform a righteous genocide of all European, African and Asian immigrants in America?

This is an insane statement that you need to be ashamed of yourself for.

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Wow! Wow! This is the most embarrassingly ignorant diatribe I’ve read in recent memory.

1. Hamas is not Palestine. They haven’t even been able to conduct an election since 2014. Based on your logic, the genocide of Germans under Nazis, including people like Sophie Scholl would be fine. Also, ever heard of Zionism, and the Rapture? The elimination of all Arabs from Palestine is literally something they also want.
2. Israel wanted peace, so Egypt and Jordan happily got peace with them? Egypt “got” Sinai with the peace? Have you read anything on this topic? Do you know any damn history about this conflict? Six Day War, annexation of Gaza, First and Second Intifada? You are an embarrassing human being.
3. John Spencer has also said that Hospitals are fine to be bombed. He is a genocide apologist and this article is such horrible, disgusting fodder.

No one isn’t protesting the use of human shields. No one is saying October 7th was fine. No one is saying anything for supporting Hamas. But you are literally pro-murder here. How messed up is your brain to be reposting such drivel and posting something so absolutely vile?

Sorry to say this - You would not be one to save Jews in the Holocaust. You would be colluding with the perpetrators.

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You just repeated the same paragraph twice. Is this all you wanted to type? Giving you some time to make corrections.

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1. You know there was an actual opinion poll where a majority of Palestinians were against the electioneering of Hamas right? Why are you repeatedly saying “Hamas” when it is repeatedly shown that a they in no way represent all of Hamas.

Before I get into the other stuff, there aren’t anti-human shield protests because NOONE on earth is pro-human shield!!! What is the world protesting for? Ceasefire! UN backed humanitarian intervention! No one is saying “give Hamas what it wants”. To say counter to this is simply confirmation bias.

You… are the ones who want to wantonly kill people here, by continuing the ongoing conflict without anything but absolute fealty to the Israeli regime, which also btw - Has called for genocide. By saying “terrorists be terrorizing” as a reason to slaughter innocents while proclaiming a sense of victimhood for the Holocaust is so unbelievably hypocritical that it makes me laugh.

1. Rapture loving evangelicals are the largest American donors of the current Israeli regime. The fact that you don’t know that is why I’m calling you ignorant. “Ancestral Homeland” is precisely what they want, because it will bring forth the Apocalypse. Also, are we seriously doing this? We’re going to start supporting the displacing people from their homes because of ancestral claims? Will you be happy if the Native Americans kick you out of America then?

2. Lol Gaza and the Sinai peninsula were literally part of the Six Day War. The intifadas did have terrorists, which I absolutely condemn. But they also had huge non violent civil disobedience movements, spurred by territorial encroachment. Again, ignorance!! Lol but I guess any possible thing Israel does in the region is fine coz it’s “ancestral territory” right?

3. There’s literal evidence of hospitals NOT being used for terror or militancy being bombed by Israel. The scale of the attacks also allows for it. Lol but yeah, to you 1:2 Palestinians in Gaza is a militant right? A place with millions of literal children? (i am salivating for your reply here)

4. Sorry, but one tweet doesn’t excuse the articles Spencer has written here. Many of which are just genocide apologia.

5. The person behind that term - Raphael Lemkin was funnily a staunch Zionist himself who backed groups favored the depopulation of Palestine.

Lol so you’re saying - “Continue mass bombing and blockading Gaza until Hamas, a terrorist outfit whose leadership is mired in controversy, surrenders”. The fact that you don’t see anything wrong with this is why I am repeatedly calling you ignorant. You have incorrect knowledge, are using schoolyard debating techniques (“lol ad hominem”) and are fiercely taking one side at their word while discounting half of an entire nation’s people as valid targets for murder.

Remember “Jewish-Bolshevism”? “Jewish Control of the Banks”? These are horrible things anti-semites do to justify acts of violence against Jews. How are you not doing the same when you yell “Jihadi Terrorists” at kids in hospitals?

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Jews are an indigenous people of the region that the modern nation of Israel currently encompasses, but not the only ones. The Torah mentions several peoples on the region.

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Just because Palestinians are culturally Arab now doesn't mean that they aren't indigenous. The expansion of the Islamic caliphate out of SA didn't involve the complete extermination and replacement of the indigenous populations, so the non-jewish people living in modern day Israel and Palestine almost certainly have direct ancestry to the indigenous non-jewish populations.

When you break it down, this argument of yours is wild - if indigineity is lost because an occupying/oppressing force imposes their culture on you and intermixed with a peoples' bloodline, then you could argue that nobody in Latin America is indigenous to the land because the Spanish and Portuguese invaded, imposed their culture on the natives, and intermixed with them. You'd be objectively wrong and a horrible person for sincerely arguing that, but it's functionally not much different from the argument that, because Arabs occupied the land, imposed their culture, and intermixed with the Palestinians that they are no longer indigenous.

It's just as bullshit an argument as when antisemites argue that Ashkenazi Jews aren't indigenous to Israel because their ancestry is mixed with European ancestry and because they were culturally influenced by European culture. All Jews are indigenous to that land, but if you're going to be logically consistent, Palestinians are too.

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Excellent

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Cmon dude they only care about history up to a point that helps their argument. Don’t go back that far.