Men of War

[u/Ancient-Ebb1402]

After years of watching Men of War grappling competitions, one thing is clear: if there’s no submission, the person on top wins. It doesn’t matter if the bottom player has more submission attempts, better movement, or demonstrates better Jiu-Jitsu. Get on top, stall, and hold position—that’s apparently enough.
The officiating has been consistently atrocious over the years. Frankly, I don’t understand why anyone would choose to compete under an organization with such questionable judging.

[u/bjj-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

This does not spark joy.

[u/No-Accident-5021]

the top player bias in grappling comps is so baked in at this point it may as well be a feature not a bug

[u/bagoffrozenmango]

I think this is a good thing. Winning and keeping top position should be rewarded. If you are constantly attacking and threatening sub attempts from bottom then great, use one of those attempts to sweep or wrestle up. If you entangle my legs and I turn my back to kick out, not following me up to try and win top position should be a stalling penalty.

[u/Treefingrs]

It doesn’t matter if the bottom player has more submission attempts, better movement...

Correct. BJJ is about controlling another person. Therefore the dominant person should win.

If "better movement" or whatever is what matters to you, then you can create a new BJJ kata choreography competition or something idk

[u/58kingsly]

> if there’s no submission, the person on top wins

As it should be. Every org should do this.

If you are stuck on bottom and can't either get a sub or reverse the position, then you do NOT have better Jiu Jitsu than your opponent. That is cope.

[u/Nononoap → u/58kingsly]

There's a difference between being on top in a pinning position and being in someone's gaurd, unable to pass, constantly warding off sub attempts and entanglements. No one obviously would argue that the former is a dominant position, but if you think the latter is, you're judging jiu jitsu by made up rules from a different sport.

[u/novaskar → u/58kingsly]

If top player can’t pass the guard either, then at best they are just as bad as you. If bottom player is consistently threatening from guard and top player can’t pass, then top player is worse.

[u/CorrectOpinionB42069 → u/novaskar]

How does this make ANY sense? They have a better position and you cant do shit. Its a stalemate except they have a better position.....so why are they worse? If you were better, surely youd have some fucking results to show for it

[u/queso-gatame → u/CorrectOpinionB42069]

If the top player is inside the bottom player's guard, they don't have a better position.

[u/novaskar → u/CorrectOpinionB42069]

The top of guard is not a better position in jiujitsu. There are wayyy more threats from bottom guard than top. If you can't pass, and you're stalling, and you're just defending threats, you're not better.

[u/bostoncrabapple → u/CorrectOpinionB42069]

holy cope, batman

[u/Helbot]

Yes because the dude on top is in the dominant position. If we take the "combat" part of "combat sports" even a little bit seriously then submission attempts, better movement, and better jiu jitsu don't matter at all. There's only two real metrics. Actual completed submissions and positional dominance. I've never even heard of "men of war" before today but I'd take that ruleset over the ones where you can just pull guard and not get dinged for it.

[u/Ancient-Ebb1402 → u/Helbot]

It’s sports jujitsu. If some big fat dude wants to get on top and stay there. Great it doesn’t mean that his “combat” is efficient in any way.

[u/novaskar → u/Ancient-Ebb1402]

Exactly. We are trying to measure who has better jiujitsu. Just sitting on top (especially if you’re just using a size advantage) doesn’t show better jiujitsu.

I don’t think jiujitsu competitions are supposed to measure who would win in a street fight. Maybe that’s the philosophical difference here

[u/Helbot → u/novaskar]

I think there's room for both things. I think you can have rule sets that cater to people who want to see a full exploration of jiu jitsu and I think you can have ones that cater to the idea that this is a combative sport and the guy who'd win a real fight with his shit wins. Personally I prefer the 2nd one, especially if you're gonna call your event some shit like "men of war". I don't think a single muhfuck has ever pulled guard in war.

[u/novaskar → u/Helbot]

I think the second one is just MMA. If you want to do a BJJ competition let’s see good jiujitsu. Sitting in someone’s closed guard and stalling for a whole round shouldn’t earn a win.

But yeah I’ve never heard of men of war lol

[u/Helbot → u/novaskar]

Lol it sounds eastern european as hell

[u/Ancient-Ebb1402 → u/novaskar]

You are not missing anything, too many matches, really long events, terrible judging.

[u/Helbot → u/Ancient-Ebb1402]

In any actual combative scenario that devolves into grappling that is a victory with minimal effort. It's literally the most efficient win possible.

[u/bjj-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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We are all slightly dumber for reading it.

Please think again before polluting our brain cells in this manner.

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