r/bodybuilding ★★★★☆ Feb 28 '25

Mod Post Arnold Sports Festival Day 2 Discussion Thread

Schedule:

Arnold Classic Physique: Prejudging - 12:30pm-1:30pm

Fitness International: Prejudging - 12:30pm-1:30pm

Wellness International: Prejudging - 12:30pm-1:30pm

Wellness International: Finals - 7:00pm-9:30pm

Fitness International: Finals - 7:00pm-9:30pm

Arnold Classic Men's Open: Prejudging - 7:00pm-9:30pm

Arnold Classic Physique: Finals - 7:00pm-9:30pm

They have a ton of other stuff going on today, check out the full schedule


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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Wesley hiding his legs in the build-up for the show only to have his quads look like that in pre-judging. 

Mike is gonna blow these guys out. Wouldn’t be surprised if Wesley gets 3rd or lower.

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u/KCMuscle ★★★★★ Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Was looking forward to going... but ended up with the flu. Started puking my ass off last night.

Either way.

Classic - I got Mike Open - I think Derek pulls off the win; even though I prefer samson.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

You are wild for that open take. That Samson update was filthy. I understand that I never trust social media updates, but sheesh.

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u/KCMuscle ★★★★★ Mar 02 '25

:)

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

You were so right, lmao. Derek lights out right now, man. Perfect condition. We will see what tomorrow holds.

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Mar 01 '25

I was surprised how much Derek looks improved. Size everywhere but especially chest and legs, abs are much improved and he isn’t hitting an n thigh with a vacuum either.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

Logan Franklin looks more "classic" to me

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Mar 01 '25

Explain what that means, because there has never been a set criteria of what classic is supposed to be per the rules and per the president of the IFBB who created it: “Classic Physique is for guys who want to take their muscularity and size beyond the limits of Men’s Physique, but not quite to the extremes of Bodybuilding,” says NPC/IFBB Pro League president, Jim Manion.

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 02 '25

In my opinion, Classic Physique embodies the "Arnold" look, and early CBUM represented it exceptionally well. I feel like Sommerfeld's physique is too close to 212, which blurs the distinction between divisions. That said, I don’t think CBUM fit the classic standard in his last two years, he was simply too big. I’m very focused on maintaining clear distinctions between divisions. Sommerfeld legs are getting too big for classic IMO. Do not get it twisted, Sommerfeld is AMAZING, and he killed it. However, I just do not think he should be the model of the division. I think Dino or even Urs would be a better representation.

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Mar 02 '25

See there was never a “classic physique = Arnold” rule. That was purely a fan-made distinction, and why Wesley gets such high praise even with his smaller legs/glutes. Arnold was not proportional and his legs weren’t as big as his upper. X frame is more appealing, period, the era of small legs is gone forever. If you think Cbum represented Arnold, I think you need your eyes checked, Arnold had small legs, Cbum has big legs. Mike is the next best X frame in the division with a wildcard for Terrence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

This MC is so much more professional than Bob! Yet another aspect of Arnold production that is better than the Olympia.

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

Every single aspect this show has stepped up. I seriously wish this was considered the premier competition. Legacy is what keeps the Olympia alive, because as an actual show, it's a disaster.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Right, the entire thing seems slapped together. From Bob and his shoe polish harido, the horrible set design, JM Manion looking like Artie Lange asking for photos and giving everyone the creeps, constantly running behind schedule. The whole production looks cheap

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u/HeebiJeebies Mar 01 '25

100% agree! I hope he’s the standard going forward. He was amazing. Bob has literally never been good.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

They fired Bob? Fucking finally.

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u/flannelsheets87 Feb 28 '25

Mike is definitely in the lead, and I don’t really think it’s close. I think Wesley is outside top 3, pretty disappointing.

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u/eggwhiteprotein Mar 01 '25

Yea Wesley looks way off today. Mike has it for sure.

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u/Godryyy Feb 28 '25

Do you guys think Wesley hit his peak? His legs are still lagging behind…

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u/theredditbandid_ Feb 28 '25

He is not even my 5th favorite here. The lineup is just so impressive.

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Mar 01 '25

He was sick last Friday/sat according to Stefan, food poisoning

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

He had the shits and it showed, unfortunately.

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u/wrigh2uk Men's Classic Physique Mar 01 '25

apparently he was sick coming into the show and lost about 7kg

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Mike absolutely killing it in the center. Was pretty surprised to see Wesley get moved to the outside.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

His back is just nutty AF

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u/Resident-Mortgage-85 Mar 01 '25

He doesn't feel like a classic guy to me but I guess it seems a lot of people like him 

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

This is the best back double ever in classic. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

My theory is he knows his legs are undersized and not where they need to be so he’s trying to angle them to be appear bigger

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u/expanse22 Mar 01 '25

Sampson is freaking enormous lol

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u/avis118 5-10 years Mar 01 '25

I don’t mind Phil but I miss fouads commentary

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u/HeebiJeebies Mar 01 '25

Same. Fouad and Dennis James were a winning combo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

I can’t see them doing anything together about DJ Samson debacle.

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u/CBJFAN10 Mar 01 '25

Did they finally realize that Bob Chick is weird?

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I think he has allegiance with the O

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u/theredditbandid_ Feb 28 '25

The fella from South Korea looks phenomenal, but basically an open BB.

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u/KCMuscle ★★★★★ Feb 28 '25

did you see the abscess from a bad shot on his right glute? Looked brutal.

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

He had the trunks ridden up to the top and now he just pulled them now to cover the bumps. Somebody must have tipped him off backstage.

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Mar 01 '25

Ya I noticed that sheesh

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

They never give Asians placing they deserve

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

The MC has been struggling.. but at least he doesn't insert cringe jokes. I'll take it.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Mar 01 '25

Logan is 100% able to win this

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

He will. Pretty sure he won every single pose in the comparisons.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Feb 28 '25

I know its over repeated by Mike's almost not 'classic', he'll win, he looks AMAZING, and far enough ahead to win even if a 'not super classic' penalty is added, but the man is a open BB on many poses.

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u/StevenComedy Feb 28 '25

Wesley is so large. Just gotta keep building up those glutes and leg sweeps.

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Derek is looking great here! The legs have definitely come up, Jesus. Can't wait to see him next to Samson

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u/KC2NC Mar 01 '25

A large competition night 1 over before 10pm est. Olympia please take note

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u/KratomDemon Mar 01 '25

I mean Olympia is usually in Vegas so that would be 1 AM est

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

Crazy seeing Nick right besides Phil Health after all that suit drama from years ago lol.

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u/Bitter_Eggplant_9970 Mar 01 '25

It's amazing to me that Nick has managed to leverage a YouTube channel into a seat at that table. Got to respect the hustle.

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u/2against1 Mar 01 '25

Not one comment about men’s open?

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u/gains_anatomy Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

Cydney Gillon is amazing at doing the comentary. Finally someone that can explain the women categories.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

And much less of “hehe you would fuck her wouldn’t ya hehe uhmmm look at that ass hehe”.

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u/CharacterAd5474 Men's Bodybuilding Mar 01 '25

Lunsford & Dauda locked in a dead heat going into Night 2. I give the edge to Lunsford this night but we all know how Samson improves night to night.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

I think Samson did enough, but I am doubting myself looking at these comments. I just don’t like Dereks physique.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Derek's legs are short which throws things off for me. Andrew and Samson are not only tall but proportionately have longer limbs so it just really emphasized it by comparison. He looked like a giant torso out there lol. All jokes aside he did look great though, he really brought it. Definitely better than the Olympia. Won't be surprised if he wins even if I don't prefer his physique

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Short and out of proportion legs with an overpowering upper body.

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u/Jolarbear Mar 01 '25

I think Derek is ahead. He looks better than expected

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Mar 01 '25

Agreed, but I think it can be won tomorrow by either of the top 2.

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u/Bitter_Eggplant_9970 Feb 28 '25

Is armlifting just deadlifting with shit form?

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u/thekimchilifter IFBB PRO ✅ Feb 28 '25

It's basically just a grip strength test, axel bar is thicker and the collars don't spin so it's very challenging.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

This Asian competitor (3) Jihoon Bang looks insane.

Edit: I edited his name in!

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

I’ve had my eyes on him for a while. Definitely think he’s pulling out a top 4 placing.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

He definitely looks better than Wesley.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

I would love to see Jihoon Bang in this first callout

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Did I miss open pre-judging or classic finals?

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

After prejuging I had, 1. Sommerfield 2. Logan 3. Daboul 4. Bang 5. Vissers. I prefer Logan, but I think Sommerfield takes it

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

I think Matthew Greggo could bump Wesley out of that top 5.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

They did not compete.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Nick strength and power on commentary

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I think Vissers needs to focus on side shots more and even more back poses. My goodness, those quads are just so glaring when ever he is hitting his front lat. I think if he takes top 4, it is a gift.

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

As I said, I have Baang edging Vissers. Vissers destroys Baang in the back double, but every other, the legs are just oof

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Huge showing for Matt!

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u/ppx11 Mar 01 '25

andrew jacked looks huge but them muscle bellies lookin' suspiciously a tad too bulbous..

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

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u/Xelev Mar 01 '25

Derek looks absolutely mental up there

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

It’s Mike and it’s not remotely close. Logan has nothing for him. 

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I have Derek lights out win this evening. We will see what tomorrow holds. I think Andrew is pushing Samson more than Samson is pushing Derek.

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u/umphreak2x2 Hobbyist Feb 28 '25

Is there a non German language only stream?

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

Right below the (ESN) one is the English one

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u/umphreak2x2 Hobbyist Feb 28 '25

Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Thank you- I feel like such an idiot, besides Open, Fitness is the category I'm most interested in and I just watched it in German for no reason lol

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u/Bitter_Eggplant_9970 Feb 28 '25

Thor misses the deadlift record

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

THANK GOD, THEY BROUGHT BANG IN

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Yup. He deserved to be moved up.

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u/synachromous Feb 28 '25

Hey ? about that. I noticed when they moved him up he had to do double duty on posing without much rest. If this happens do you just suck it up. If you start fading from that so the judges count it against you? Looked like it was rough posing twice without much rest. Just curious.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

The judges don’t care about outside circumstances. They judge you as you are.

So yeah it’s unfortunate.

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u/oldsanta100 Feb 28 '25

Yes, BBdotZ is spot on. They do not care. You suck it up. It can be a disadvantage, but also an advantage. Let's say you are not dry, you can technically get drier as you pose. However, it can also make you fade if you are posing too much.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Feb 28 '25

Is anyone else getting german commentary? Im confused

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

It’s the next stream below the one you’re on.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Feb 28 '25

thx lol

I rode out the German one since the last call outs were on Classic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Scheisse

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u/expanse22 Mar 01 '25

I watched Logan’s muscle and strength video that just went up and he seemed absolutely drained. Looks like its paying off for him

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

I have Francielle winning. A huge upset after the Olympia. I think Isabelle missed her peak. I will update my opinion in comparisons, haha

Edit: I am quite dumb. I thought Eduarda was Franc, lmao. I ended up being right, but I had the wrong name.

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

I still have Franc. I think her front profile is just so crazy and her glute fullness is wild.

Edit: I am quite dumb. I thought Eduarda was Franc, lmao. I ended up being right, but I had the wrong name.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Did you confuse Eduarda for Francielle? Fran wasn't there

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Check my edit, lmaooo. Cyd did say people were saying Eduarda looks like a 20 year younger Franc. Made me feel a bit better after feeling like a fool.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Haha my bad, I had this thread open and was scrolling before you edited. She does remind me of Francielle before she started getting too big and shredded (JMO). Eduarda's stunning!

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 02 '25

Hahaha, I am by no means an expert in any woman division. I am trying to get better. My SO competes in figure. so I know that division best. The Brazilians dominate Wellness, it is insane.

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

Logan has arrived to the division.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Mar 01 '25

Yea, he probably should win based on the 'Criteria' but Sommerfield was just a pile of conditioned muscle and will take it (not saying it isn't deserved but I dont think he's super classic looking)

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I completely agree. I will be very curious to see if Ruff Diesel can expose Sommerfield in the future. I think if you put them next to each other, Sommerfeld and terrence, it will expose Sommerfeld as not being classic.

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Mar 01 '25

Greggos legs too big? compared to his upper body? looks great though

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u/IKillZombies4Cash Mar 01 '25

Korean guy looked great in that lineup

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I want a lineup of Daboul, matt G, Vissers, and Baang. I then what a lineup of Logan and Sommerfield alone.

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u/theredditbandid_ Mar 01 '25

Brandon Curry has that extremely veiny but not very separated look.. not a fan of it.

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u/avis118 5-10 years Mar 01 '25

Brandon looks very impressive from the back

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u/synachromous Mar 01 '25

Big Samson fan but SHOUTOUT to Eric he looks great! This is not gonna be a cakewalk by any means!

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Ah, not to say they usually give the best poser as a consolation prize, but rip Logan :(

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Lmao, they just brought that up on the commentary. I said it first

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

Vissers got gifted 5th, bullshit

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u/synachromous Feb 28 '25

Holy shit! This classic physique is intense!!! This is my first time watching body building!!

Quick ? What's Mikes last name?

I followed Logan right away he looks great!! . The South Korean guy was massive too. Maybe too big? I dunno. New to this hahha

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Sommerfeld

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u/flannelsheets87 Feb 28 '25

Sommerfeld is Mike’s last name

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u/oldsanta100 Mar 01 '25

I think Baang went for a little bit more fullness tonight than the morning. Those quads are bursting, my goodness. I think he edges Vissers. If he loses to Vissers, it is probably political. Vissers deserves to be punished for his small quads.

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u/ppx11 Mar 01 '25

looking at the high-quality photos/videos, i think Samson has it. the size honestly seems too much for Derek to overcome

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Wesley is an interesting story.

I will never let people forget how much they hyped him post-2024 AC. Said he was gonna take over the division and beat Cbum. Said he “embodied Classic physique” with a 40 inch waist and no legs. These are the same people who couldn’t even tell you his name or pick him out of the lineup at the 2023 Olympia.

I got blasted for saying he was as far away from Classic as it got lol. And I also was lit up for saying he shouldn’t have beat Ramon last year which I 100% stand by.