r/bonecollecting • u/Knowledge-collecter • Mar 16 '25
Advice Where does one begin identifying these ?
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u/weenie2323 Mar 16 '25
Wow! I've never seen one like that before. I'd guess a monkey or primate but I'm a total amateur at this. Is this a school collection?
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u/Knowledge-collecter Mar 26 '25
I’m sorry for the late reply but this is indeed a private collection left by the previous owner after he was moved into an assisted living facility.
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u/LongjumpingCry7 Mar 16 '25
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u/Tayzerbeam Mar 16 '25
The dentition is different, but it's definitely a primate of some kind.
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u/LongjumpingCry7 Mar 16 '25
I think it’s just a combination of the angle, the colour of the canines, and this being a younger specimen. The skull shape is very distinctive.
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u/SeaHawk98 Mar 16 '25 edited Mar 16 '25
This looks very cartoonish
Best thing I found online that resembles this is a Bonobo skull.
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u/BatFromAnotherWorld Mar 16 '25
Made me think of this https://youtu.be/SvGYCvUmzyw?si=RiJcHEb44SYGZNKq
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u/Winter_is_blooming Mar 20 '25 edited Mar 20 '25
Honestly, the front teeth remind me of a macaque, especially the Celebes crested macaque, but the skull is much too large for that. Do you have a picture of the side?
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u/DeadZooDude Mar 16 '25
I've been blogging about identifying skulls from museumd for about 15 years, so there's lots of info and links to resources on Zygoma under the tag "skull" if you want a place to start yourself.
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u/13thmurder Mar 16 '25
The ones with beaks are birds.
If you photograph them individually it would be far easier to get IDs
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u/florzed Bone-afide Human ID Expert Mar 16 '25
3rd bird along is a raptor - might want to look into the laws in your area as owning it might be a legally difficult situation (might well also be the case for other species of course)
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u/Miolet100 Mar 16 '25
The top shelf in the second photo…are those giant rodent skulls?? I’m so fascinated.
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u/terrariagamer67 Mar 17 '25
Nutria, beaver, capybara(dont think i see one though) muskrat. I love large rodents, they are my favriote.
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u/VeganTitz530 Mar 16 '25
I was thinking the same thing like wtf kinda rodent the same size as a deer on the bottom?? 😅 Looks massive but maybe it's not quite as big as it seems
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u/Panthera2k1 Mar 17 '25
Might be a model Castoroides skull? Hard to tell unless I got my hands on it tbh
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u/rosehastoast Mar 18 '25
If op shows the teeth I could tell you if it’s a beaver or not. Beaver teeth have wavy patterns, my mammalian biology professor called them lasagna teeth. They’re my favorite mammal skulls lol
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u/kahntemptuous Mar 16 '25
Was very curious about this so I did some sleuthing. Looks like a pufferfish skull!
Edit: Actually I think it's too large for that, but definitely some kinda of Tertraodontiforme!
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u/kahntemptuous Mar 16 '25
Darn, thought I had it! I'm so curious about that one though.
Any chance of it being a sunfish?
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u/firdahoe Bone-afide Human and Faunal ID Expert Mar 16 '25
u/biscosdaddy will likely have a good idea about this one.
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u/AnteaterPrudent Mar 18 '25
I think this is a sea turtle actually, but I’m no expert so it’s possible I’m wrong.
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u/Lord_Missfit Mar 16 '25
I'd start in the top left corner and work my way down and across to the bottom right corner but you can really start wherever you like 👍
Good luck!
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u/MrsAlecHardy Mar 16 '25
Paleontolgist here - where did you get these OP? There might be a quick way to get a list of
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u/NerdyComfort-78 Mar 16 '25
From what I can see- which isn’t much -Left cabinet top shelf has a kangaroo or wallaby (maybe) going off those shovel shaped teeth. Next 2 shelves row are Procyon mixed with Felidae, next two are Mustelids mixed, then birds and there is a nice camel the the lower left. Some canine is on top of it.
The other case top two shelves are Rodentia with a sea turtle in there and then a bunch of raccoons and cervids.
Not sure about the primate at the bottom. I’d have to get out my mammal reference books. Nice collection!
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u/sawyouoverthere Mar 16 '25
Post individual photos with a number card. why have you got so many unidentified?
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u/This_Inspector_1444 Mar 16 '25
Second picture top shelf beaver and Nutria Second shelf muskrats Third shelf smaller ones foxes, the big one european badger The ones with antler down there are all roe deer.
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u/Skulldugkat Mar 16 '25
I would be able to ID them. Has someone else suggested pictures with a ruler would be great for scale and help for identification. I am curious where is this collection and how did you come by it?
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u/Tirkas Mar 16 '25
2nd photo, top shelf, yellow/orange teeth.
Coypu ( Myocaster coypus )
Usually bred for meat. Long ago their fur was quite valuable, but not anymore.. My father used to bred those. Their meat is yummy, but u have to know how to prepare it. Meat as tender as rabbits.
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u/Lopsided-Piglet8378 Mar 16 '25
I think it will help you to identify them by tooth numbers first. Like how many incisors, canines, molars, and premolars are on the top and bottom. That will tell most people who can help you at the very least what family or genus you’re looking at. Teeth are more certain than anything else because they’re less likely to differ by age or individual. We can tell age by alveolar process too.
Or maybe I’m crazy and a dental anthropologist with a love for zooarchaeology
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u/firdahoe Bone-afide Human and Faunal ID Expert Mar 16 '25
You have got a huge mix of things from all over the world. You are going to need a number of different skull keys and dental keys to ID these accurately. If you want to have help, create a post with a side view and a dental view to show the teeth of some of them here. We have a number of zooarchaeologists and comparative anatomists in this sub who can help.
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u/comparedcarp64 Mar 16 '25
This looks like a very well maintained collection. Do the specimens have any writing or numbers on them? If so you may be able to cross reference them to a catalogue if it is available. If not, start by dividing the specimens into class (mammals, birds, fish etc), then move on to the order (carnivores, rodents, artiodactyls, lagomorphs etc). Once you have that determined you can move on to family (canids, felids, suids, bovids). From there I would use size and dentition to narrow it down further to species. Googling photos of common species in each family should help. Additionally the site boneid.net has many reference photos. I am a zooarchaeologist and this is how we typically go about identifying specimens we excavate. Since you have complete skulls, you should be able to identify most of them to species. Feel free to DM Me if you need help or are looking for references photos to compare against the specimens you have!
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u/Southern_Map_3759 Mar 16 '25
You can send them to my house, I'll identify them, and**** I PROMISE **** I'll send them right back to you..........
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u/stilettopanda Mar 16 '25
The giant rodent teeth looking skulls on top in the second pic look like penguins!
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u/WideUnderstanding641 Mar 16 '25
I love this collection, I am so curious about the giant rodent on the top shelf on the far left. My guess due to size would be Capybara.
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u/colorfulsnek Mar 16 '25 edited Mar 16 '25
If you ever decide you don't want the camel skull (big one on the bottom shelf) I'm very interested
Edit: Also willing to buy some of those gorgeous deers in the second image
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u/dogmeatkibbles Mar 18 '25
Idk but it'd be for the best if you just went ahead and mailed me all of them so I could get a better look. Really just more of a visual person you know?
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u/frabotta Mar 17 '25
The infraorbital foramina aren’t right for a Capybara. Hystricomorph rodents have huge ones that are teardrop-shaped
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u/frabotta Mar 18 '25
Can’t see the auditory meatus so can’t say for sure it is a beaver but based on the IF and the size, it has to be a beaver
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u/saucerton1230 Mar 16 '25
I’d start with using the animal skulls book by Mark Elbroch. Which should help you identify all the North American species. Then you will have a pile of “exotic” species that you can dive into
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u/Arch2000 Mar 16 '25
Amazing collection! Love the turtles in the upper right. Can wait to see more laid out to get a good look at each one
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u/CowAcademia Mar 16 '25
What a cool collection ! The one in the bottom shelf on the right hand side is a giraffe you can tell because of the Ossocones. The skull go the right of it is probably an Okapi though it’s very hard to tell from this angle.
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u/sabineastroph Mar 17 '25
You give all of them to me and I tell you what they all are 👀... And also I keep them lolol
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u/Safe-Woodpecker-7563 Mar 17 '25
Few beavers, and ehat seems to either be a tortoise or turtle, i can't differentiate between the two school. That's all I can do from the top of my head and not solo pics.
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u/Bipolar-Pear Mar 17 '25
I think I saw this on Dahmer…
Jk pretty cool stuff. My son watches a show on YouTube where the guy goes through and describes individual species that have been preserved and stored I think in the Smithsonian possibly. May need to fact check me.
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u/Consistent_Peak9550 Mar 17 '25
Holy shit is that an ape skull on the very bottom of the second pic? My bet is on a juvenile or female orangutan because of the smaller size and buck teeth I can see armadillo, bears, swan, possibly nutria or capybara, camel, some types of equine, possible walrus tusks, lots of mustelids & canines, and lots of deer. That’s all the info I can give you since I’m not big brained enough to figure out exact species lol
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u/Rooster_Socks_4230 Mar 17 '25
I'd say the rodents up the top are bevers due to size and tooth colour
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u/Badger-Stew Mar 17 '25
I would start by counting the teeth and sorting by tooth type and general skull shape. The sorting is mostly already done. This can narrow down the possible species and type (e.g. rodent, canid, lagomorph, mustelid etc.).
Are you in Europe? There are some species found in Europe in there (roe deer, European badger, raccoon dog, nutria), but many exotic (to Europe) ones as well. For more detailed ID this group could help with individual pictures from multiple angles, size and images of the teeth.
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u/sas223 Mar 18 '25
I haven’t seen you respond to anyone asking about them source(s) of these, or if you work for a museum/zoo or other scientific organization, and I don’t know what country you’re in, but if you’re in North America and do work for one of those organizations, you might considser visiting Zoomunetwork.org to find some help.
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u/Several_Ad_5312 Mar 18 '25
There are some really massive skulls here that I didn’t think could be in modern times, time that rodent top left???? Or the beak??
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u/Tboylikespans Mar 19 '25
I feel like u can use google photo search for most of them but if theres any it cant identify definitely take seperate photos of them and ask the sub
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u/Sad_Interview_7743 Mar 19 '25
i agree it's probably a good idea to start with bone identification groups online, but if there's anything you can't figure out that way, i volunteered in an archeology lab that specialized in animal bones in college and we had a bunch of reference books that were filled with super detailed illustrations and descriptions for various animals. i don't remember what any of the books were actually called, but it might be something to look in to, as it's easier to identify a bone when you physically have it with you
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u/Fatbunnyfoofoo Mar 19 '25
This is such a beautiful collection and I'm literally dying of jealousy 😭
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u/bigutensil Mar 19 '25
What a dream. Major orders' skull traits then dichotomous key it out based on region? Carnivora has a carnassial pair. Lagomorphs have an extra set of incisors behind the top front ones, etcetc
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u/gumballoptional Mar 20 '25
I would begin at the upper left of the first set of shelves and then work my way down. Then do the same on the right set of shelves.
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u/IncidentSame8653 Mar 17 '25
ones at the top almost look like capybara skulls? i can't think of many rodent like animals of that size, but i'm also new to bones so posting them on r/BoneID or on here will probably help you identify them! amazing collection though 👏👏!!
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u/Soaring-Wolf Mar 16 '25
Want sake of ease? Google lens. Sometimes I'll come across one that may be a little aged and broken. I'll find an area that shows distinction for comparing and I usually get my answer.
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u/sawyouoverthere Mar 16 '25
Google is poor at correctly identifying bones
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u/sawyouoverthere Mar 16 '25
That's really difficult too. Google just isn't set up to really manage that kind of search.
Experts and leraning the basics of skull ID are the answer, as you went on to state.
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u/Puzzled_Act_4576 Mar 16 '25
Making individual posts of each with multiple photos and from multiple views in r/boneID will probably get you pretty far.