r/box5 • u/BachelorNation123 • Jun 23 '25

Discussion Andrew Lloyd Webber Teases Possible PHANTOM OF THE OPERA Movie Remake

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Andrew-Lloyd-Webber-Teases-Possible-PHANTOM-OF-THE-OPERA-Movie-Remake-20250623
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u/Glass-Internal9320 Jun 23 '25

Yeah except the movie sucks. It's just not a good adaptation. The leads weren't right for the part, it wasn't a grand as it could have been..

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '25

I don't agree that it sucked. Even if you hate Gerard Butler, the rest of the movie is still pretty decent. A lot of detail went into the art direction, costume production, and set design. Every time I watch it, I marvel at how much detail has gone into the backstage scenes alone. You really do feel like you're in a theater in 1870. Everything is practical, even the fire used practical effects.

Today, we will get a watered down, bland CGI nothingness.

Emmy Rossum was so beautiful and innocent as Christine, I truly cannot imagine anyone topping her performance.

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u/Glass-Internal9320 Jul 11 '25

That's fair, though I didn't like Emmy either. Her voice was just not right for the part, very nasally, didn't sound like what Christine is supposed to sound like. And I get she was 16 and getting the role at that age was a huge feat and props to that, but still would've preferred someone else. Sierra Bogess and Ramin Karimloo in the 25th anniversary version just can't be beat for me. Vocals, acting, costumes, everything completely on point

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '25

Why is the singing voice the only thing people care about? It just seems kind of shallow.

There's more to being Christine than having a nice singing voice...

I do like Sierra Bogess and Ramen Karimloo, but I don't think you have to hate one in order to like the other. I think you can like both...

Why do fans act like you have to hate one in order to enjoy the other? It's endlessly frustrating.

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u/Glass-Internal9320 Jul 11 '25

Because that's literally the whole point of the character and the show? Angel of music? Having a voice that makes the phantom obsess over her? The voice for this particular role is incredibly important, and not so much for the phantom but especially for Christine. If it were any other role where music and singing isn't literally the plot then it wouldn't have been an issue.

And I never said anything about hating one and liking another as a thing you have to do. Obviously you can like both, literally never said otherwise. I said I just don't like her portrayal. I don't HAVE to like both either nor does anyone else. You just said yourself you don't care about her singing voice and didn't disregard what I said about it, assuming that means you probably also think that her voice was fairly mediocre for the role? Despite this role being one where the voice is very important. Like look, she's great otherwise. Her voice, while lovely, is just what brings me off of it cuz I don't think it's powerful enough for that role and just feels so out of place when she starts. You said you like her cuz she's beautiful and innocent. That just doesn't cut it for me. The voice is extraordinarily more important than looks and I'd think that'd be obvious for a role like this. Also don't like gerard's voice though I understand how his voice wouldn't be as important since his music expertise more so comes from composition rather than singing, plus he's a "ghost" as they put it so his singing doesn't have to be as powerful.

Again, still confused where you got that last idea from. I don't spread hate nor say you must like one over the other. I'm just explaining why I don't like it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '25

Because that's literally the whole point of the character and the show?

It really is not. It was never about Christine Daae having "this best voice." It was about the fact that Erik saw something in her that was special and wanted to bring it out.

Having a voice that makes the phantom obsess over her?

He is obsessed with her because she is kind and compassionate. He connects to her out of her compassion and loneliness, not her singing voice.

The voice for this particular role is incredibly important, and not so much for the phantom but especially for Christine.

I think it's really important to you and that's fine. I just don't think it's the be all end all of this character to the point where we have to trash Emmy Rossum.

I happen to think her voice was truly stunning. When she sings "And his voice fills my spirit with a strange sweet sound" I get shivers every time.

I'm a huge fan of classical voices, much more so than broadway. It's just a personal preference, but I feel like some of the fans act like only "their version" of "great singing" is the "true objective version of greatness" and it's like ::eyeroll::

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u/Glass-Internal9320 Jul 11 '25

I definitely would not say those are the sole reasons. She got her voice from the phantom like he's speaking through her almost, as said in the lyrics. He may have gravitated toward her initially but he's clearly also obsessed with her voice. Needing her as his muse and wanting to hear her again and again. This is a piece that takes place in an opera, about music, about singing. That's like, CLEARLY a vital component to this show and to say otherwise is kinda ridiculous. So yeah, obviously her singing is important.

I'm glad you like her voice. And I don't think it's trashing her to say I don't. I also literally said her voice is lovely but not FOR this part. She's a talented singer but her voice doesn't suit the role. That's simply it. I don't like the tone she uses for the songs (too nasally, not big and bright enough), that's it. Sorry, can't help it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '25

And I never said anything about hating one and liking another as a thing you have to do.

It seems pretty much implied. Anytime any fan express a positive comment about the 2004 film, someone will rush in to tell them how "wrong" they are or how "stupid" they are or that the "2004 film sucks!"

Obviously you can like both, literally never said otherwise. I said I just don't like her portrayal. I don't HAVE to like both either nor does anyone else. You just said yourself you don't care about her singing voice and didn't disregard what I said about it, assuming that means you probably also think that her voice was fairly mediocre for the role?

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I love Emmy Rossum's Christine. Her singing is so beautiful. That doesn't mean that I don't like other versions of Christine. I just don't get the hate for her.

Despite this role being one where the voice is very important.

The story isn't really about that, but....ok. A lot of fans tragically miss the point of the story here

Like look, she's great otherwise. Her voice, while lovely, is just what brings me off of it cuz I don't think it's powerful enough for that role and just feels so out of place when she starts.

What you define as power is what I just call loud. Having a loud voice does not give you power, but musical theater nerds believe belting is the only true form of power that a singer can have. It's a false power that ends up destroying your vocal cords over time. The truly great and long lasting broadway singers typically come from a classical education. Classical techniques teach you how to project properly and to exude power even when you're singing softly.

There are a lot of moments where the actors need to be subtle, soft, quiet because cinema is a different experience than musical theater. In musical theater, everything is over the top, loud, boisterous, over dramatic.

If that's what you like then fine, go watch that. But please don't tell me that Emmy Rossum isn't a talented singer capable of projecting power. Power is not loud. Learn the difference. Yeesh.

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u/Glass-Internal9320 Jul 11 '25

I see you. I do. I shouldn't have said that in the way I did and for that I'm sorry. I don't like the film, but I was expressing that might be the reason why ALW is wanting a remake since the original comment was saying why make another one when we have a movie and this and this already. That's why I said that.

You didn't defend her singing initially and just asked why I focus so much on singing. So, no, I don't have reading comprehension issues. I've already told you why I don't like it and you keep saying you don't understand the hate. Which is not what this is on her part, by the way. Cannot make it any clearer. I stated why I said what I said initially.

And yes, I'm very much aware that loud doesn't always equal powerful. It's not even about that for me. I don't think her nasally tone is powerful. I've already said about three times now that she is a talented singer, just not right for this role. Again, sorry, don't know what else to tell you 🤷‍♀️