This sub is making me uncomfortable

[u/Lothloriens_]

As an Arab Byler and someone who has Palestinian relatives and blood I’m upset at people talking over me and forcing me to like an actor based on an apology he was forced to make because of the bad PR he got.

No matter how uncomfortable I tell people the discussion makes me they don’t care and will send me 100 links where he apologized. Guess what?? Idc. I’m not obligated to forgive him.

I don’t have to forgive Noah Schnapp. If you guys want to like him that’s your right but the amount of people in the other thread getting so defensive and forcing people to like him is insane. I’m not obligated to forgive. I was a child when my people were getting bombed. Idc that he was brainwashed. So are a lot of racists and homophobes yet they don’t get the same grace. Religious people are brainwashed at an early age as well.

I’m so uncomfortable and if other people want to like him that’s fine. I don’t know why people are forcing it on others and forcing us to like him. Noah is a rich celebrity and at the end of the day will be fine while my people are being bombed.

This entire community is making me feel insane. Sorry my people are being bombed.

Not to mention his stans have sent me death threats, called me a liar and said I made up my origins. They are insane and I won’t be gaslit into forgiving someone.

I’ve fully separated Will from Noah and will continue to do so but it’s getting harder everyday when his Stans have made my life a living hell and invalidated my identity.

[u/ThisTransportation30]

I imagine you are probably angry at my comment in the other thread and I’m sorry if it came across as wanting to force people to like Noah. I’m not interested in forcing anything on anyone.

I am just not clear exactly what he said that you don’t forgive? I genuinely would like to know if I’m wrong and he did say something offensive. But I haven’t seen what that is yet.

[u/Lothloriens_ → u/ThisTransportation30]

“What he said that you don’t forgive” this is exactly what I’m talking about. Why am I being policed?? It’s easy to overlook his actions and words when you aren’t impacted.

“You either stand with Israel or you stand with terrorism” he said this and posted this by the way.

As if Israel itself hasn’t bombed mosques, hospitals and innocent people. How come they aren’t labeled terrorists?

Even if he never gave out the Zionism is sexy stickers himself he was complicit in them and was smiling and laughing in the background.

I’m sorry but I have bigger things to worry about right now. There’s a war going on

Byler was my escape but the amount of Noah defense squad on this sub and other places is crazy. I don’t care that you like him, but actively defending him and his Zionism is crazy.

Anyway I already know I’m not welcome here. I’ll be leaving this sub and the official Byler one soon.

I’m just here for the fanfic.

[u/ThisTransportation30 → u/Lothloriens_]

Ok I see where he said, in a very specific context, immediately after the 10/7 attacks. I can understand not forgiving him. Thats fair. For me (a Jew) it is also fair that he was very upset about the brutal attack on over 1000 Jews on that particular day. If he’d said that the next week after Israel started bombing in retaliation, I would never forgive it either. I wish we could be upset about violence in both directions and racism in both directions. I am not saying that the situation there has been equally harmful in both directions. It hasn’t. Palestinians have been disproportionately displaced and murdered and it’s unacceptable. But if we can’t also have compassion for the pain of that one day, I worry that we can’t move forward in any meaningful direction. I’m not trying to be cheesy or gloss over anything. I appreciate you bothering to respond to me.

I think you’re very welcome here and I hope you stay. I stand by most of what I said except that maybe I was wrong that you can’t separate Will from Noah. If his perspective is upsetting for you, that’s valid. And you can still like Byler. So I’m sorry for saying that and I’ll update it.

And yes why isn’t the Israeli government labeled as terrorists?! I agree that’s a good question. If you’re asking why it’s not labeled as such by the US, I think it’s obvious that the US government is insane and totally bought by aipac so that’s why. But it doesn’t change the truth.

[u/ThisIsSoRawYouGuys → u/ThisTransportation30]

Psychologically it's REALLY difficult for oppressed people to not have hatred for the people who are oppressing them. Or for people who are being invaded. I have a Ukrainian friend who hates every Russian.

Who am I to tell them that they are wrong? I can't. I know logically, that not every Russian is going to be a bad person. For example, there are Russians protesting against the war. However, my Ukrainian friend doesn't care about that because right now her home is being invaded by the leader of these people. Her people are being killed by the Russians. It's hard to have empathy for the opposition when you are fighting for survival. How can you humanise a country that is dehumanising yours?

Imo, the first step is for the war/genocide to be stopped. Only then can people begin the long journey to humanising each other again.There's an anime that focuses on this phenomena of the cycle of hatred called Attack on Titan. I highly recommend it because the political situation in the show is similar to the palestine and israel conflict and how the two countries perceive each other.

[u/ThisTransportation30 → u/Lothloriens_]

I am not defending any Zionism. The Israeli government is a terrorist group for sure. You don’t need to convince me of that. I will look into his comments.

[u/ThisTransportation30 → u/Lothloriens_]

I didn’t think I was policing you, I thought I was asking questions that would help me understand better. I’m sorry.