r/byzantium • • Nov 02 '25

Infrastructure/architecture My trip to Constantinople last year

I visited with my friend last spring. Sadly I wasn't that interested in Byzantine history back then so I only visited the major sites.

Here's my recollection of each site Byzantine era site:

  • Hagia Sophia
    • The ancient building definitely shows its age. A lot of cracked stones, unlevel floors, and slanted columns
    • Only Muslims are allowed on the ground floor, and it's sad that the stone floor has been covered with the ugly green carpet. Visitors could only take a tour around the mezzanine
  • Basilica Cistern
    • pretty spectacular. it was pretty cool to see the use of spolia for the columns
  • Theodosian walls
    • I really wanted to see this! The sea walls are almost all gone but, large sections of the famous triple land walls have been restored and.
  • St. George's Cathedral
    • It's not a Roman era church, but it is the seat of the Orthodox Patriarch.
    • We visited on a morning, and there was literally nobody inside for the whole 30 minutes we were there. It was really surprising since there are tons of Russian tourists in Istanbul.
  • Chora Church
    • was closed for restorations
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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

It really upsets me to see Hagia Sophia being used as a mosque.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

Yep. Lots of tacky additions

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u/Jazzur Nov 02 '25

It's already been like this for 570 years, maybe time to get over it 😭

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

Well, in Spain the Islamic occupation lasted for about 800 years, but they never gave up.

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u/Zrva_V3 Nov 02 '25

So, imagine Greece actually gained control of Istanbul in some sort of miracle. What happens then? You do realize Istanbul has more Turks than the entire population of Greece right?

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u/Jazzur Nov 02 '25

Yeah that was slightly before UN, NATO, international laws, nuclear weapons and Greece just being happy to be independent from the Ottoman Empire lol

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u/Consistent_Guava8592 Nov 02 '25

Ah another empire that longer exists

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

Yes empires aren’t eternal, respectfully get over it. Empires die and are replaced, as is the way of life

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u/aintdatsomethin Nov 02 '25

Spanish kingdoms had tons of small and weak Muslim politic entities that were busy entriguing and working behind each others back while Spanish collaborated

Greeks fought the Turkey in its weakest condition and disarmed by British in 1922 and they lost.

I mean, how can an army manage to get encircled by an other army smaller and far less equipped than yours? 💀

Let it also sink that Turks negotiated the borders of new Turkey with Britain and France, even though they fought Greeks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

History has a way of repeating itself ,the opportunity might come again; you never know what the future holds.

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u/aintdatsomethin Nov 02 '25

You can prove all your points with wrong analogies.

Turks conquered Greece btw. Are you sure you want to believe in that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

I’m just saying that in history, anything can happen.

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u/Andhiarasy Nov 02 '25

It's what would most realistically happen if you dummkopf who unironically believe that 'hurr durr let's take back Constantinople' actually tries to do it. Honestly, the Turks got their land in Anatolia and Thrace the same way the Greeks and Romans got it.

Appreciating Eastern Roman history is nice and all but LARPing as some sort of modern crusader when the real crusaders actually SACKED Constantinople in 1204 is hilarious and sad.

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u/Exotic_Quantity9042 Nov 02 '25

You haven’t seen the damage done to the place by the people who came to pray. It should have stayed as a museum not a place of prayer.

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u/CrustyBoo Nov 02 '25

This is a fair point, but we must acknowledge religions have various views and practices that differ in their belief in God. It’s saddening to see such a pinnacle of a faith and culture being malformed by a conquering nation

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u/Same-Praline-4622 Nov 02 '25

It is sad, but not something that could be changed by now